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The Tableland and The Exodus
Topic Started: Apr 27 2005, 02:58 PM (515 Views)
Eastern Aotra
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I moved it here so we won't clutter the RMB.


If you read other aspects of government rulings, most everything includes puppets. While it doesn't say in the articles, whether it pertains to puppets or not, it is implied. By having a puppet of a leader of another region in our government it would be too tempting to allow the thoughts of another government to creep into our policies. I don't see how this would work out, seeing as how other regions we are allied with have puppets (not just ambassadors), but not once has any of them tried to become involved with our government. The only instance I can think of is when we had an abassador being suggested for a spot in our Senate. If you'll notice, we voted not to allow this to happen. I see no difference to having an ambassador in our government, then a puppet of a leader involved in our government.
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Avolon
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If this is the case then Liam sould not be allowed to hold office here either. I don't see any difference.
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By having a puppet of a leader of another region in our government it would be too tempting to allow the thoughts of another government to creep into our policies.
He poses more of a threat in our government than as an ally if that be the case. I'm just trying to make sence of this.
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Eastern Aotra
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To allow a regoin of Liam's to have an alliance with our region and also have a spot in our government violates the Articles, and several previously written statements by our government. Whether it's by puppets or a main nation, it still is in violation. Spirit of the Law and actual intrepretation may differ and therefore we must fall back on the wording and use that instead of 'Well, I read it as this...'
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The North Cascades
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In no way would The Tableland wish for a region to violate its own Constitution to enter into an alliance with thus. I have alerted Liam to the situation. It appears that his status within both our regions is the only impediment to this treaty's passage. Pending a conference with him, I suggest we put the proposed alliance on hold.
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Eastern Aotra
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Again, I'm not requiring Liam to leave either post, what I am trying to is point an inconsistace with the Article that has been put forth. If Liam and Avs would like to change the Article to better fit the situation then there would be no objection from this office.
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The North Cascades
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Ok, I apologize for misreading or misinterpreting your posts.

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Liamton
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Whats preventing me from reaching any sort of decision is the fact I cant find the articles (for this particular treaty...or is it just a general one thats been locked away in the articles dealy forum?) anywhere, on either board. Could you please post it and then Ill get back to you.
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Liamton
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Right, just a formal declaration of peace.

According to my interpretation, it only refers to verified citizens (of which Liamist States & Liamton are in their respective regions), not to puppets. So the fact that I run both is really irrelevant. Besides, what would I gain from steering the Senate toward pro-Tableland goals, if anything like that can happen? Which would violate the treaty in the first place.
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Joshua
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You make a good point Liamton, and Lux said that if you and Avs wished to changed the articles to better this situation then by all means do so.

I would consider you a citizen Liamton, you been with us for a long time and hold a government position.
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Eastern Aotra
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But if we enforce the fact that you can't be both, then we wouldn't have to worry about it ;) Again, I don't care if it's changed, but as it stands I would have to vote no on it.
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Liamton
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Well does anyone besides Aotra have an opinion?

Regardless, I see no conflict with the way it is currently worded. If there is a conflict with prior policy, then the actual treaty would surely take precedence.
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Joshua
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I agree with Lux, just alter the articles of allince to fit this situation.
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Liamton
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So shall we introduce the "except Liam because he rocks" clause?
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Joshua
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lol maybe phrase it a tad differently and make it more official sounding.
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Liamton
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ARTICLE V.
The Tableland and The Exodus, both shall grant and allow member nations of either Region, to register and participate in the activities of either Region. It is also recognized that an established and verified citizen nation of one region cannot hold Elected or a Governing position/office in the other.


See I dont see a problem. It just means that Liamton cant run for a post in The Tableland and the Liamist States cant hold a post here. If you can offer something to make it clearer, go ahead but if this is signed, then I shouldn't have to resign from the Senate.
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Joshua
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ARTICLE V.
The Tableland and The Exodus, both shall grant and allow member nations of either Region, to register and participate in the activities of either Region. It is also recognized that an established and verified citizen nation of one region can hold an Elected or a Governing position/office in the other as long as they keep there regional interests seperate. If the nation is found to be in violation of this they will be asked to resign.

Hows that sound?
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Liamton
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Fine with me.

Everyone else?
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The North Cascades
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I see that The Tableland is added to the list of allies, although we aren't listed twice like Texas, so I suppose we are a lesser ally of some sort. ;) Am I to assume that everything has been sorted out? And if so, may I set up an embassy or is that to be done for me?
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Joshua
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I proposed the changed to the part of the articles that was the stumbling block. Liam seems okay with it, but not sure how everyone else feels.

Texas being twice was my fault. lol Bad admin am I. lol
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Via Bestiae
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May 2 2005, 10:49 PM
Texas being twice was my fault. lol Bad admin am I. lol

And yet, ya still haven't fixed it. :)
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Avolon
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I guess this new wording will suffice. Although like Liam I didn't see a problem in the old wording. As long as a nation (puppet or other wise) is a stable and effective trust worthy resident of a region I see no reason why they can't hold office in muliple regions (as long as said nation/puppet is a resident of the region they are running for office in). Considering they keep each identity of their nations seperate. But this will do. :) Can't holdup the alliance process too long.
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Liamton
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And so the wheels of the Foreign Ministry turns forevermore.
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