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Formal Complaint
Topic Started: Jan 25 2006, 09:30 PM (533 Views)
Snowflake
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I wish to file a formal complaint against a member nation of The Exodus Region.
This nation has a nations name of NEW PACEAL, this nation has been posting inciting and unnecessary Posts on our RMB they also indicates that they have access to our offsite forum yet no nation by that names exists. His posts have unnecessarily upset our nations. The Articles of Alliance which exists between our 2 great Regions allows for this action.
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ARTICLE IV.
Lest the firm peace and friendship now established should be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, the Dun Eideann and The Exodus agree, that for injuries done by individuals in either region, no private revenge or retaliation shall take place; but, instead thereof, complaint shall be made by the party injured to the other: BY the Dun Eideann 2, to the Senate of The Exodus or other Governmental Body appointed; BY the The Exodus, to the Senate of Dun Eideann 2 or other Governmental Body appointed. And such prudent measures shall then be pursued as shall be necessary to preserve our peace and friendship unbroken.


Our friendship has spanned for a long time, I would not wish this nation tarnish our friendship.

I await your response and remedy of the issue.

Faithfully Yours

Flake
Founder of Dun Eideann and Dun Eideann 2
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2 hours ago
The Republic of New Paceal
dated January 25, 2006 20:30 CST

Chekaslovoxia: I have just seen a post by you in the forum. Underneath it was the slogan "vote for the Republicans, vote against gays".

I am shocked that a homophobe member of the religious fanatic Right wing is allowed to be a member of this region. Dun Eideann was originally set up to embody a spirit of tolerance. It was set up to try to capture some of the feeling of creativity and erudition which one finds in the real world Dun Eideann: Edinburgh.

Views such as those you express in your signature in the forum may well be welcome in rural Texas or wherever it is you come from, but the good citizens of Edinburgh would be appalled by them.

NP

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119 minutes ago
The Nation's Region of Dun Eideann 2

Notice I have filed a Formal Complaint on The Republic of New Paceal, for spamming our RMB. I filed this complaint in his home region The Exodus.
I am hoping for a Prompt Reply from the Founder of the region.
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Joshua
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I see no issue with new Paceal's posts in the original DE. He says Amen in one, and then says your help is not needed and to learn to type in regards to comments posted by New Shodum.

In DE2 he attacks Chekaslovoxia for being a possible homophobe for comments he msde in your forum. Now whether this was New Paceals business or not I am not sure. But, I feel less inclined for taking action on this given what Chekaslovoxia said your forum supposedly.

I am not trying to take it easy on NP, but his posts do not seem all that bad IMHO. If he was attacking DE2, or trying to undermine the regions then I would take greater issue with it.

The only posted I noticed that was at all bad was his post against Erconia.


My post on our RMB. We have been friends for a long time flake, but I do not see the harm in New Paceal's comments.

In all honest if I saw a nation making homophobic comemnts in another region I probably would have said something myself.

I do not want our friendships to be tarnished. I value your friendship and that of DE. We have been through a lot and helped each other immensely.

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ARTICLE IV.
Lest the firm peace and friendship now established should be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, the Dun Eideann and The Exodus agree, that for injuries done by individuals in either region, no private revenge or retaliation shall take place; but, instead thereof, complaint shall be made by the party injured to the other: BY the Dun Eideann 2, to the Senate of The Exodus or other Governmental Body appointed; BY the The Exodus, to the Senate of Dun Eideann 2 or other Governmental Body appointed. And such prudent measures shall then be pursued as shall be necessary to preserve our peace and friendship unbroken.


I do not see how New Paceal is undermining our friendship with his recent posts. His posts in DE IMHO do not hold any malicious content in them.

In DE2 he does attack that one nation for psosible homophobic beliefs.

There was a post made against Erconia.

My inclination is to give new Paceal a verbal warning at worst at this point. But, this is not my call alone.
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17 hours ago The Republic of New Paceal I had nothing to do with DE3. However, when I saw it, and thought how ridiculous the whole thing was, I wanted to highlight that irony in a jocular way by briefly founding DE4. No malice intended, just a little playful humour. Let's all lighten up, eh?
13 hours ago The Republic of The Avenging Angels3 Ok. So who founded DE3?

OK, sorry Paceal for being such a hard a$$ on it. :-/ 
12 hours ago The Hedonistic Aura of The Avenging Angels lol good ole Paceal...always the prankster.
146 nations and growing. Good work everybody. Lets keep up the good work. :D
5 hours ago The Republic of New Paceal DE4 shut down. Set your pacemakers back to "normal" again...

My God. Get these people a cup of tea Mrs. Doyle, they're like Father Jack when he can't find the keys to the drinks cabinet.


4 hours ago The Republic of The Avenging Angels3 lol

Yes a good lesson in not taking things so seriusly. =)
3 hours ago The Nation's Region of Dun Eideann 2 The Hedonistic Aura of The Avenging Angels and EXODUS Nations.

I wish to file a Formal complaint against a nation in your region: The Republic of New Paceal

He has been Spamming our RMB over the last few days the last time was approx 20 minutes ago.

Faithfully Yours

Flake
Founder of Dun Eideann 2
2 hours ago The General Vicinity of Pythagosaurus That doesn't look like spam any more than your message. Maybe I have a screwy definition of spam, but you won't be getting any support from me.
2 hours ago The Republic of The Avenging Angels3 I would honestly agree with Pythag DE2 (flake). I am not saying I agree with new paceals actions, but in my time in NS I do not think the mods would call it spam unless he left and entered your region and posted 10 or 20 times in one day.
117 minutes ago The Nation's Region of Dun Eideann 2 Which is why I had not contacted The MODS.
The Republic of New Paceal is not a member of Dun Eideann 2
But does reside in The Exodus I file the Formal Complaint with The Exodus Region in regard to the actions of one of their members. 
89 minutes ago The Republic of The Avenging Angels3 I see no issue with new Paceal's [posts in the original DE. He saysd Amen in one, and then says your help is not needed and to learn to type in regards to comments posted by New Shodum.

In DE2 he attacks Chekaslovoxia for being a possible homophobe for comments he amde in your forum. Now whether this was New Paceals business or not I am not sure. But, I feel less inclined for taking action on this given what Chekaslovoxia said your forum supposedly.

I am not trying to take it easy on NP, but his posts do not seem all that bad IMHO. If he was attacking DE2, or trying to undermine the regions then I would take greater issue with it.

The only posted I noticed that was at all bad was his post against Erconia.






I assure you, I saw it as NO PANK!

It was Not NORMAL!!

Yes a good lesson in not taking things so seriusly. - GIVE ME A BREAK!

DUN EIDEANN 2 reqiures a Written apology! from the founder, NEw Paceal and the nation behind this puppet.

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Flake there was no hamrful message posted in the WFE or RMB of these regions. New Paceal stated that he was only behind DE4, not DE3. We have no control over who wa behind DE3.

As I said I would have made the same comments aboutt he psosible homophobic nation in DE2, as I cannot stand bigots in anyway, shape, or form.

The only harmful comments I saw were in regards to Erconia.
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ARTICLE IV.
Lest the firm peace and friendship now established should be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, the Dun Eideann and The Exodus agree, that for injuries done by individuals in either region, ; no private revenge or retaliation shall take place but, instead thereof, complaint shall be made by the party injured to the other: BY the Dun Eideann 2, to the Senate of The Exodus or other Governmental Body appointed; BY the The Exodus, to the Senate of Dun Eideann 2 or other Governmental Body appointed. And such prudent measures shall then be pursued as shall be necessary to preserve our peace and friendship unbroken
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no private revenge or retaliation shall take place

I stand firm.
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Joshua
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I do not see how New Paceal was attacking an ally.

It is not the same as the imposter regions that we had. There was specific statements in their WFE's and RMB's stating they wanted to take us down.
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AND STILL IT CONTINUES

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89 minutes ago
The Allied States of Erconia
Most of you are probably thinking to yourselves: "I'm going to vote for Snowflake becuase everyones going to vote for him anyway, any oppositions not going to win. He created this region, so why not have him as Prime Minister?"

But if you think that why, you're not right. Snowflake is a great and experienced leader, and hes the founder of this region. But, we can have a Prime Minister which who is good friends with Flake, has experience and leadership, and who is worthy opposition. Show that you want a strong government and fresh leadership.

Cast a vote for experience and dignity.
Vote Richard Jefferson Woods (Erconia) for Prime Minister.

83 minutes ago
The Republic of New Paceal

Point of order: how can you simultaneously be a good "prime minister" and also "worthy oppostion". Do you plan to occupy both sides of Parliament?

Would you care to provide details for the region about your "experience" of running an NS region. Where? When? Results? 

68 minutes ago
The Allied States of Erconia

I want to make it clear that I will not take questions from terroists like you New Paceal, because you threaten democracy as we know it. You should be banned from this region, and infact thats what I will do if I become Prime Minister!. Although I will respond to the people of the region.

I will be a good prime minister becuase of the stuff I have mentioned before, and I mean by "worthy opposition" that I think that most people in the region think that Snowflakes going to win anyway. But I think that if enough people get together, we can win. Here is an official copy of my work in the past to prove that I am not lying when I talk about me having experience. The names of regions will not be released for reasons which are the business of Ambassador Woods:

Early December 2005:
Chancellor of a region which will go unnamed

Mid-December 2005:
Prime Minister of another region which will go unnamed

January 3 2006:
Ambassador to Mordor and Leader of the Democratic Freedom Party in the Exodus

January 19 2006:
Election Comissioner and candidate for PM in DE2

54 minutes ago
The Allied States of Erconia
FOR STRONG LEADERSHIP VOTE ERCONIA FOR PM 2006

20 minutes ago
The Republic of New Paceal
But that's ridiculous Erconia. How do you expect people to trust a possible prime minister when he will not even back up his claims to have experience. How can the voters know that you are telling the truth? You could be making that up. You offer no evidence whatsoever for your so-called experience.

Why didn't you add in "in real life, I am President of a large, unnamed South American Country whose economy I have single-handedly rejuvenated".

Unless you say WHERE you got your experience, the voters cannot verify this. It is ridiculous. You should either name your regions or else step down. You are insulting the voters by your unsubstantiated claims.

By the way, threatening another nation with deletion by telegram is an offence.

NP

1 minute ago
The Dominion of Civil Protection
'we can win' others are going to win too, or a typo?

I will mkake it clear now that I will NOT be voting Erconia. Sorry old chap, but you lost my vote with mis-spelling's and [lack of] policies/promises or anything that will benefit the region further if you take the position of Prime Minister.

Let's vote Flake!





It appears that the long Treaty of Alliance which Dun Eidean 2 and The Exodus, has enjoyed is sever jeopardy. Over an Exodus nation who remains un controlled.

I again request the Exodus take charge of this Out of Control Exodus Nation!

24 hours are established as a deadline for action! Friday January 27, 2006 12:30 CST. After this time expires and no action is taken or negotiations started. The Region Dun Eideann 2 shall place before its Grand Council a motion to resind the Treaty of Alliance Between Dun Eideann 2 and the Exodus Region.

Faithfully Yours


Flake
Founder and Prime Minister od Dun Eideann 2
Acting Foreign Minister.

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Offical Notice to Dun Eideann 2 Nations posted on Dun Eideann 2 RMB

January 26, 2006 13:00 CST

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The Nation's Region of Dun Eideann 2

Notice to ALL Dun Eideann 2 NATIONS

A formal Complaint against the Actions of the EXODUS nation NEW PACEAL, was filed with our allied region The Exodus, in the office of The Founder of The Exodus. This complaint as of this time has been largely ignored and dismissed.

As a result of the above series of Posts, A deadline of 24 hours has been presented to the Exodus office of the Founder. Demanding action on their nation NEW PACEAL, failing to act on this matter or to Open negotiations, will result in begining the process of resinding our long held Alliance and Treaty.

I ask all nations of Dun Eideann 2 to take NO ACIONS against The Exodus region and/or any of its nations.
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Via Bestiae
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This is beyond ridiculous. Where in the Nine Bloody Hells do you get off dictating terms to us?

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ARTICLE IV.
Lest the firm peace and friendship now established should be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, the Dun Eideann and The Exodus agree, that for injuries done by individuals in either region, no private revenge or retaliation shall take place; but, instead thereof, complaint shall be made by the party injured to the other: BY the Dun Eideann 2, to the Senate of The Exodus or other Governmental Body appointed; BY the The Exodus, to the Senate of Dun Eideann 2 or other Governmental Body appointed. And such prudent measures shall then be pursued as shall be necessary to preserve our peace and friendship unbroken.


Under the terms of our treaty, this should have been taken to our Senate. You did not take it to the Senate, but straight to the Founder. And now because you have not yet received the answer you want you are threatening to end our alliance if we don't bow to your demands within 24 hours. Even though New Paceal has departed The Exodus, I say "go ahead." End our Alliance. The Exodus would be better off without allies who would act in this manner.

As to your actual complaint, I agree with AA. They're hardly an attack on your region. Merely one nation registering their views on another nation who dwells there.

My recommendation to our government: if Flake doesn't end the alliance, we should end it ourselves.
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Very Well
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Joshua
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Flake I just read the quotes you posted no where in them is New Paceal attacking DE2 or it's beliefs. I see him asking legitimate questions of another nation in a respectful tone. I do not plan on persecuting this unless it gets out of control or he starts hurting DE and the nations there. He is not flaming anyone, he is not being abusive.

New Paceal has left The Exodus.
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AA

Yes Paceal left to found a New Region: Large Shoes

Dun Eideann 2 found it interesting and yet disturbing, that an ally regions nation would freely post information and details negative in nature (not necessarily untrue) on our RMB. This action shook up many nations in the region and had a negative effect on our current recruiting program. Then to find he had a friendly status in The Exodus, was near the limit of mine and the Regions patience.

Put your self in my shoes and think what you woulds have felt had this happened during your major renewal program. You would be upset as well.

At this point I wish to suspend the Formal Conplaint.

Flake

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Snowflake
Jan 26 2006, 07:29 PM
Dun Eideann 2 found it interesting and yet disturbing, that an ally regions nation would freely post information and details negative in nature (not necessarily untrue) on our RMB.

The Exodus is not a dictatorship. We have never told the nations that reside here where they can go or what they can say. New Paceal spoke his mind, not the collective feelings of The Exodus. To my knowledge, he never told anyone in the government that he was going to say anything. You're trying to turn one nation's actions out to be an attack by The Exodus as a whole.

I still favor ending the alliance between TE and DE2.
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Joshua
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Flake,

I am trying to put myself in your shoes, but i think you are wrong. I believe whole heartedly I have face worsed in this game then you have. I have seen some really shitty things, and what new paceal is doing does not qualify.

I still feel NP was fairly tactful, and respectful in his statements. Can you show me quotes to say otherwise?

Lets forget Erconia for a moment. Why was what NP said about the homophobe so wrong? I read the thread on the DE2 forum, his ideas on homosexuals seemed inappopriate, bigotted, and immature. I personally would not want a person like this running for delegate of The Exodus.

I honestly do not see why what NP has said warrants so much fuss. Believe I have always been and am willing to stand by our allies. You know that is true flake. I was there when Akaria was facing trouble with other nations of this region as well, Myself and others here were there for DE when it had its issues.

I hope that DE2 and The Exodus can stay allies. I honestly feel this is being blown out of proportion.
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Flake,

My ole friend. You of all people know I would take action against Paceal if he openly wronged DE2. I have a deep regard for that region and would not see it harmed in any fashion, but as VB and AA have stated he posted nothing out of line cept the Erconia comments. I will say though I recieved several TG's from regions that Erconia was in warning me to eject him because he is dangerous. I never brought things to a head though like this. I waited and looked for solid evidence, which luckily we never needed, and as for Chek's sig statement and forum posts in DE2 well...that goes without saying.

I hope you will look deep within before making a move that will have profound effects in both our regions. I would hope our long friendship has taught us something, we should trust one another more than this. Justice will be handed down, when a wrong is committed, but we must not allow personal anger to fog our judgement.

Avolon
Founder The Exodus
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BearEmpire
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Until the current tensions between the regions has been solved one way or another, TE's ambassador has returned from DE2.

Sorry Flake but I want no part of a region supporting homophobia and hatred. If you do a little research on Chek, you will find his history and puppets are clouded with it.

Secretary of State / and former ambassador to DE2.

PS I removed my own access to DE2's forum since I no longer wish to participate in a group moving towards becoming a pro-hatred region.

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