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Other Government Positions
Topic Started: Oct 3 2006, 08:21 PM (408 Views)
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Should the other government position holders (MoIA, MoFR, UN Delegate, etc) be members of the Regional Assembly as a requirement of their office? That is to say, in the next election cycle, should all nominees be Regional Assembly members?

Should the Founder be allowed membership? Or should he be kept separate from the Legislative branch?

Ryonian Powers made the following post on the RMB a few days ago:

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New role of The Exodus Proposed: Noting that The Exodus has a Minister of Internal Affairs and a Minister of Foreign affairs and other highly important regional roles, I propose there should be more:

Minister of Balance-To keep a good balance between right-wing and left-wing ideals within in a region, to make sure no "division" gets a higher proportion of influence and power.

Minister of Trade Union-A representative for all Exodus nations to put forward the Exodus' views on UN proposals regarding trade and economy issues, who will then contact the current UN delegate to voice the regions popular opinions, assuming the UN delegate takes a more regional representative approach to UN decision making.

Minister of Defence-a representative to unite all nations in a defensive position in the event The exodus becomes occupied by rival forces.

Secretary of Tourism-To keep peace between tourists of nations within the region, due to culture clash.

Secretary of Events-Receiver of Exodus proposals regarding region-wide events.

These may be flawed, or just uninteresting, but just a thought I had, would be cool to see more people take on important roles.


Should we add to the number of Ministers the region has? If so, how many and what purposes will they serve?

That should be enough questions to start with. :D
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Valid points. I applaud RP for making these suggestions. :)
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Hmm the only one I that doesn't sit right with me is the Minister for Balance. I don't think it would be viable or enforceable without the use of censorship. Eg what if suddenly all the Exodus nations become liberal left wing paradises? We'd have an inbalance then and then what?

The MoTU seems fine.

The Minister for Defence should either have more to do or be abaandoned seeing as the delegate doesn't have the password the only way to invade the exodus is if the founder is taken over.

And I think secretary for Toursim and Events should be joined together as the festivals are to bring tourists etc but otherwise they both make sense
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Minister of Defence: As the Exodus seems to be pro-defending now i think this would be a really good idea. a defender-general of The Exodus

Secretary of Tourism: this probably falls under VB's job already but if VB wanted someone else to take part in something a bit more related to the internal Exodus...

Secretary of Events: i think this position should be an organisational role. this nation would be the one to organise things such as the festivals and maybe to get all the elections organised well

this is what i posted on the RMB before bar a few minor changes
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Should the other government position holders (MoIA, MoFR, UN Delegate, etc) be members of the Regional Assembly as a requirement of their office? That is to say, in the next election cycle, should all nominees be Regional Assembly members?


Makes sense, and I would have them elected by members of the Assembly. The Assembly can basically function as a registered voter system.


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Should the Founder be allowed membership? Or should he be kept separate from the Legislative branch?


I don't see a problem with allowing the founder a single vote.

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Should we add to the number of Ministers the region has? If so, how many and what purposes will they serve?


I'm not opposed to new ministries but the only ones that I think make sense are the defense and event positions. The Defense Ministry though I think would only become useful if we militarized the region and abandoned neutrality. Otherwise they would have nothing to do.
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As for other ministers being part of the assembly, I see them as separate entities. Sort of co-operational branches of government.


The Other Ministers - I see most of them, but the Minister of Trade Union just seems like a middle man between people and the UN Delegate.
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Of the ministerial positions so far proposed, the only one I see as being viable here in the Secretary of Events.

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The Assembly can basically function as a registered voter system.


That was part of my intention when I proposed the RA. Now, others may feel differently.

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I don't see a problem with allowing the founder a single vote.


I guess it depends on how we want to handle things. If the Founder is part of the Assembly, then in a way he will be subordinate to the Regional Speaker (depending on how we ultimately decide that position should be). I guess I'm still kind of locked into an American political mindset, with a separation of branches with the Founder representing the Executive branch with the Assembly forming the Legislative branch. If that's not the model we want, then fine, I don't see a problem with allowing the Founder to be a part of the Assembly.

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As for other ministers being part of the assembly, I see them as separate entities. Sort of co-operational branches of government.


And that's how I initially viewed them when I was mulling the idea of proposing the RA. I'm still not sure where I stand on this one. I think that any Ministers should be elected from within the RA, most likely by the RA (going back to that whole registered voters bit). But how they would function from there is hazy.
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I think the RA should be the arm of government that belongs to the people as it were.. they would elect a leader, Prime Minister I thought I read somewhere who would then also be a member of the executive branch.. that was my understanding... So that the RA governs the excutuve branch through the flow of legislation and provides a system of checks and so that the Executive Branch seeks approval from the RA rather than just issuing a what do you think question... that way the nations of TE have a direct input into the Executive Branch and both arms work together.

I do however think current ministers could also be member of the RA but only with an equal single vote and should not be able to hold a higher position in the RA while also being part of the executive branch.
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Well if I make some specific suggestions, the way I see it both the MOFR and MOIA would have to be members of the Assembly to qualify and would be elected by the Assembly. There job descriptions would remain as they are under the constitution. For both ministers there would be a maximum term of 6 months before the next election though the founder may schedule a new election at any time during those 6 months. This will provide an avenue for inactive or unsatisfactory ministers to be dealt with effectively.

For the Speaker, regular elections would take place about every 6 months though like the Ministries early elections can be scheduled, but unlike the ministries, a majority vote in favor of no confidence on the part of the RA would be needed to schedule a new election immediately for the Speaker.
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Oct 9 2006, 08:16 PM
Well if I make some specific suggestions, the way I see it both the MOFR and MOIA would have to be members of the Assembly to qualify and would be elected by the Assembly. There job descriptions would remain as they are under the constitution. For both ministers there would be a maximum term of 6 months before the next election though the founder may schedule a new election at any time during those 6 months. This will provide an avenue for inactive or unsatisfactory ministers to be dealt with effectively.

For the Speaker, regular elections would take place about every 6 months though like the Ministries early elections can be scheduled, but unlike the ministries, a majority vote in favor of no confidence on the part of the RA would be needed to schedule a new election immediately for the Speaker.

DSL I agree with this but wonder what say the Founder would have under these circumstances?
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DSL I agree with this but wonder what say the Founder would have under these circumstances?


Uh, I would say pretty much the same that he has now or at least what he has under the Constitution assuming we reinstate it with some obviously needed modifications.
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Ds Rainbow Phoenix
Oct 16 2006, 09:42 PM
DSL I agree with this but wonder what say the Founder would have under these circumstances?

What input do you think the Founder should have? Unless drastic changes are made to the Constitution, the Founder would have as much say going forward as he did before. The Founder, currently, is an Executive position while the RA is a Legislative body. These would be things that the RA would deal with, and the Founder would not be involved, officially. The Founder could, of course, offer their opinions, but that's all that they would be. If, as has been mentioned in another thread, the Founder is allowed to become a member of the RA, then they would have as much say as any other member.
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Ds Rainbow Phoenix
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Thanks DSL and VB for clearing this point up for me.
Understood. :-)
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Minister of Recruitment:

I think it might be good to have a certain person in charge of recruitment. They would try to keep a steady amount of people in the region, for example 150-175. If our population were to lower, they would try to actively recruit, or if it went over they coud take a bit of a break (not saying they would have to stop).

They would also try to attract attention to the off-site forums instead of just the RMB.

Anyone else agree?
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I agree with you, PM. We did at one time have a vice-minister (or something) for recruitment. It would be a good idea, I think, to have someone to organize the recruitment efforts for the region.
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I am in complete agreement with both of you on this one and I nominate Joshua. He has a gift for recruiting and I would be happy for this position to be included within the MoIA department. I would also be happy to continue recruiting when Josh is unavailable or as requested by him as recruitment minister..
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Can we hold off on nominating people until we actually establish the position? :) We need to determine if this should be a full-fledged Minister or part of another Ministry. Then, a proposal will have to be written. A vote would be held, and then we can proceed with nominations and elections. Of course, we also have to determine who is eligible to run for positions.

This is why it would be helpful to have an ACTIVE Regional Speaker.
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