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| Alternatives To The Commonwealth | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 16 2006, 10:00 AM (482 Views) | |
| Rael One | Oct 16 2006, 10:00 AM Post #1 |
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The idea of a Commonwealth has been presented, it is well laid out and a potentially solid method of joining regions toward a common goal. There are also other equally solid methods, I am pesenting an alternative. This proposal is an alternative to The Commonwealth proposal. The recent change in Nation States regional and national identification and classification has left many of us wondering how this will affect us. It has become more and more difficult to recruit and keep nations. Often we must spend 2, 3 or 4 the normal time just to keep our regional populations at a consistent level. Even then we are just staying ahead of the Ceasing nations. Miss a day or two and we must work even harder to catch up. On our forums, we must deal with inactivity; lack of contribution and participation; we remodel and plan; add forums and topics and other things all in hopes that this will revitalize our membership. We end up with large diverse forums consisting of areas we enjoy and are knowledgeable along with areas not as enjoyable and where our knowledge is limited at best, we hope that soon someone will take a dedicated interest and charge of the area. We still see forum participation decline. Our proposal addresses these issues. It helps eliminate the population worries by spreading the responsibility to many recruiters rather than one or two. The fear of a hostile take over is significantly reduced. The need for regional protection is limited. Our Individual forums can be dedicated to our areas of interest and expertise, with out having to create new forums in many different areas. Our members will not be left out for there will be a Forum which deals in their interest, even forums of different topics. These forums will be dedicated to a particular theme and interest. The Proposal is the establishing of a CENTRAL HUB, to which all participating regions shall have access. THE CENTRAL HUB INDEPENDENT REGIONS & FORUMS These represent the intended principles and Purpose of the Central Hub. They may be modified and amended prior to finalization. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 16 2006, 09:18 PM Post #2 |
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I really really really like this idea.. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 16 2006, 10:10 PM Post #3 |
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Our numbers have been holding steady at around 100 nations and the forum activity has remained relatively steady. We don't need to divert our recruiting efforts to build up some new central hub region so we can recruit some small slice of those who are recruited to there. |
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| Via Bestiae | Oct 16 2006, 10:50 PM Post #4 |
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I agree with DSL on this one. It's an awful lot of work to build up something that we'll only actually be a small part of. Not to mention, it sounds like it would turn all member regions into little niche regions at best.
So what would we become? Hm? I don't like the idea of shedding our variety and diversity to cater to some Central Hub. |
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| Rael One | Oct 16 2006, 11:54 PM Post #5 |
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DSL Indeed The Exodus is a relatively stable region population wise. It was not always this way at one time if I recall correctly the regional population was hovering around 225 nations. Then the population plumeted to around 85 nations. (these figures may be a bit off but they are in the neighborhood) What cause this decline? There were many factors but the predominate theme was the region ceased recruiting, the goverment fell into decline and regional forum activity slowed to a crawl. These factors brought recruiting to a standstill. Those who have recruited know what a thankless job it is. The Center Hub would help eliminate this chore for individual regions. The result would be a large and growing population for the central hub which would provide several advantages: VB being a small part of is the strength of the central hub. All regions would be a small part of it. Combined all the individual members would provide a n extremely wide pool of knowledge and experiences. Without placing undue individual stress on any one region. What does The Exodus wish to become? Whatever the choice it would have the time an freedom to establish and develop into leader in that area. The Exodus and in fact the member regions would no longer have to strive to be everything to everybody. How many regions has successfuly accomplished that ALL in one Forum. The Central Hub could actually easily accomplish this. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 17 2006, 01:38 AM Post #6 |
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We've had our ups and downs but the way I see it, this hub region can only lead to the decline of The Exodus as a unique entity in NS. Our efforts will be focused on recruiting people to a new region and forum. It would be naive to believe that won't lead to a decline in our population and activity on the forum. This is basically a merger of The Exodus with other regions into a new meta region like how several former invader regions merged into what is now Invaders. This might make sense if our region was dieing but as I have said with the exception of the numbers dipping a little bit thanks to Joshua's fiasco the region's numbers have remained fairly constant over the last 6 months or so. Lets be realistic, we won't benefit from this as a region. |
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| Rael One | Oct 17 2006, 09:05 AM Post #7 |
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DSL, I can't deny that The Exodus and any other member region have the potential of experiencing a population drop. This is a natural outcome for any region when direct recruiting is not maintained. However the region itself will remain. If fact all member regions should find this a Plus rather than a negative. I would anticipate that the remaining nations would be the dedicated loyal nations. The nations who tend to join and then go dormant would be in the Central Hub. Even with this a concentrated welcoming programs would be in operation, which may lower the number of dormant nations. No effort would be made to move nations from their home region to the Central Hub. The Central Hub would grow through the active recruiting efforts. The unique character of The Exodus would remain both in the region and more importantly in the development of the forum, which is actually the Heart of the region. You mention the efforts of the INVADERS to bring associated region into a common region. I feel with this that they overall are "ONE TRICK PONIES", where as the Central Hub would offer a wide variety activities. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 17 2006, 03:53 PM Post #8 |
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OK I have another view on this and the commonwealth idea and upon reflection I am really not sure if either is right for us. If we could join an already existing hub then I would be all for it but creating or own would only divert resources (ie active nations) away from TE. In short upon further consideration I no longer really like this idea ;-) ALSO As the main recruiter in TE, I would like to address concerns about TE population. First I do not subscribe to the theory the bigger the better. I feel our current nation count is sustainable and gives those who wish to be involved an opportunity to be. I do not want us to get too big. As for the actual numbers, there is a damn good reason we stay above 100 and that is I go recruiting when we reach 108 or lower. This is no fluke but rather a deliberate policy to sustain our population and it works well. The only time since I joined and became MoIA in March that we dropped into double digits was during the founder crisis. After discussions with Avolon, I decided with his blessing that it was not the time to bring new nations into the region. I say this not to blow my own horn but rather to use the opportunity to let folks know that TE has a definite and efficient recruitment policy. This is also not to say that I would not welcome more nations, I just don't see a need to obsess about a magic number. If we could get every nation that is here now to be an active nation that would please me a lot more than hitting the 200 mark or any other mark for that matter. Just my two cents worth. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 17 2006, 04:06 PM Post #9 |
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DSL I totally agree with you on this but also need to ask you why your commonwealth proposal would not have the same effect? I don't think either one can happen without "a decline of The Exodus as a unique entity in NS'. Also in the interests of accuracy and fairness I must point out that immediately following Avolon becoming founder again, Joshua went out and did a lot of hard work recruiting and must be given a lot of the credit for the speedy recovery of our population. |
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| Rael One | Oct 17 2006, 04:18 PM Post #10 |
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Ds Rainbow Phoenix I understand and respect your opinion and views. Yes you have kept the Regions population stable. Believe me I understand the Work and Time involved. What would be the results if say 2 or more nations recruited on a cordinated and consistant basis. The opportunity to maintain and grow the region would increase. Let's add to the mix that as nations arrived they are warmly greeted. (I would beleive that you also do this.) This Central Hub greeting could offer the nations a wide variety of different activities. A forum is available but has not been set up, although I have some Forum Skills I lack the Skills necesssary to set it up in the fashion necessary. I thank you for considering this proposal. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 17 2006, 04:28 PM Post #11 |
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Rael the recruiting point is a very good one and would be very welcome. Unfortunately the reality is that since Josh went to Texas it is back to an army of one. If anyone would like to do some recruiting please let me know. I like the theory of a Hub but still question the practicalities of us establishing one (rather than joining an established one that someone else runs) and the adverse effects on regional activity which is already as with any other region except the feeders hard to maintain and increase. I will ask you the same question that I asked DSL about his commonwealth proposal How can you convince me TE establishing a Hub would not lead to "a decline of The Exodus as a unique entity in NS".? |
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| Rael One | Oct 17 2006, 07:17 PM Post #12 |
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Since the region will not be abandoned, it will remain a Unique Entity. But I know that is not what you mean. The Exodus Forum would still exist and retain it current government and member base. And the forum activities would continue. There would be differences, The forum would be advertised it the Central Hub forum. Activities and offerings would be listed. Special events would be publicized and space provided for a regional description. As the HUB grew and more regions added, duplication of services would become pronounced. This would mean that Regions could begin to stop being "ALL In ONE" and focus on one or two areas in which they wish to specialize. This could be any area. By providing a particular service, The Exodus would be recognized as a leader in that area. In addition I can see no reason why a region could not continue to recruit. However, this would be in addition to the Central Hub requirement to recruit for the Central Hub. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 17 2006, 09:44 PM Post #13 |
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Rael as usual you make excellent points.. I need some time to think this one over and I really want to know what others think before I make a final decision |
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| Rael One | Oct 18 2006, 09:59 AM Post #14 |
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Of course modification can be made to the proposal. I presented it as alternative plan. There are many paths up the mountain and they all lead to the top. |
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| Philosophe Move | Oct 19 2006, 06:27 PM Post #15 |
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Why do we need a commonwealth? The Exodus only has about 100 people, shouldn't we focus more on increasing our numbers than dividing them? Or, if we were to adopt an already existing region, to what purpose? More than likely only smaller region would join under the Exodus, and wouldn't be very helpful in defense. Not that we are in any threat anyways... I say instead of forming a commonwealth there is a larger push for recruitment. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 20 2006, 08:04 AM Post #16 |
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PM I agree with you and extend your intelligent diagnosis to the Hub proposal too. So does that mean you want to sign up to recruit? |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 20 2006, 10:55 AM Post #17 |
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Bumping this so others can join the discussion This means YOU :-) |
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| Rael One | Oct 20 2006, 12:49 PM Post #18 |
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Thanks. This plan is designed to be rather flexible yet beneficial. No individual region is required to administrate the program this responsibility is shared by each member. This allows each region to retain their character yet receive support from other nations. Please read it over and add your comments and suggestions. |
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| Philosophe Move | Oct 20 2006, 04:36 PM Post #19 |
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Of course I will be willing to recruit. I also beleive it would be wise to introduce a Minister of Recruitment in times like these, when we have a lull in membership. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 22 2006, 06:51 PM Post #20 |
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While I see where you are coming from, I will point out that while current members of The Exodus would be more than welcome to form new regions, the aim of the Commonwealth is not to divide up The Exodus. Its aim is to extend membership in The Exodus to nations in regions that agree to be closely allied in a sort of Confederation with The Exodus. There seem to be an impression that this would be a lot of extra work and The Exodus would be responsible for the day to day upkeep of regions that join. This not true, regions that join will remain responsible for their own internal affairs. While those regions that join may be smaller, considering that only about 10% of our nations are really active, even picking up one or two active members of this forum from each Commonwealth region would be fairly beneficial. |
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| Joshua | Oct 23 2006, 02:15 AM Post #21 |
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I have to say I would go for DSl's commonwealth proposal over the Central Hub idea. I do not see the point or advantage of establishing a central hub region an forum. As, DSL, VB and others have noted this would weaken us. And we need to focus on our region and our forum. What would be the benefit for recruiting to the central hub region? Having been a recruiter for many regions, I do not think recent gameplay changes have made it any tougher to recruit. You just need something to attract nations to your forum and region, something unique. In the commonwealth proposal in it's current state would have this forum be the base for the commonwealth and the council that oversees it. Though this does not mean those regions need to lose their forum activity in order to be apart of our forum. At this point I feel the commonwealth proposal is stronger and more beneficial for our region and potential members of the commonwealth if it goes into effect. |
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| Rael One | Oct 23 2006, 08:27 AM Post #22 |
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The Commonweath proposal is not a bad idea, especially for the Exodus. The Exodus would have a much larger area of influence. Plus a great increase in Regional Government and control. It is not The Exodus who wil come up on the short end, it seems to be the Commonwealth Regions which pay the price. A Central HUB would equally share this Responsibility and Gain. Regions would become stronger especially in their forum activities. Also the Cenral Hub Region would have much great influence in NationStates, not only in providing a much greater selection of activities but also in its ability to provide a large block of votes in the UN Nations. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 23 2006, 09:04 AM Post #23 |
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I have serious concerns about limiting any forum to "the areas we do best". I think one of the great things about this forum is that there is something for everyone and areas that are not popular die on their own. At the same time I do agree with VB and others that we need to develop a purpose for our region and The Commonwealth or Hub proposals could do this. I do however worry about the effects on the region of both because splitting active nations between forums can only lead to less activity in TE. So TE, is it time to put the commonwealth & Hub proposals to a vote? Or do we need more debate?
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| Joshua | Oct 23 2006, 12:19 PM Post #24 |
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I respect you R1, and your proposal. I personally feel like the commonwealth proposal given to us by DSL is a stronger and better fit for this region. I do not like creating all sorts of new forums. Those who were around during the days of the failed FORT idea know what I mean. With the commonwealth proposal the council governing it would be based in this forum, and we would not need a whole new forum. From what I read of the proposal, I could ahve missed someting, each region would send a representative to the forum to take part in council meeetings and matters involving the commonwealth. Also, we would not need to create a whole new region and recruit for that which with the HUB proposal we would need to do, and this would detract from our time to boost our regions numbers. |
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| Rael One | Oct 23 2006, 04:09 PM Post #25 |
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I thank you for allowing me to present this proposal. |
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| Via Bestiae | Oct 23 2006, 05:17 PM Post #26 |
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I'd like to see us overhaul the Constitution before voting to amend it in such a major way. Also, do we have a Regional Speaker active enough to oversee a vote?
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| Tacticurn | Oct 29 2006, 07:42 AM Post #27 |
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We're not ready yet for voting on this matter IMO as two important things need to be decided first: Avs role in the RA and the overhaul of the constitution. |
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