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| Forum Layout; Voting Closes 3 Nov 06 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 26 2006, 09:40 PM (623 Views) | |
| Philosophe Move | Oct 26 2006, 09:40 PM Post #1 |
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This has been brought up a few times before, but nothing has really happened. I am proposing that we actually, finally, change the forums layout. Here is my original post, that was on a different forum:
If people want to actually change the forums, I would be happy to help make a model or something. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 26 2006, 11:46 PM Post #2 |
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Yeah, these forums really could use a makeover. |
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| Tacticurn | Oct 27 2006, 02:04 AM Post #3 |
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Agreed this could go along with the proposal in Regional Vote 2 =] |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 27 2006, 06:15 AM Post #4 |
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PM, I admire your gusto and keep it up but I forum design is a complicated thing and not as simple as just posting a vote on it and making it happen. We need to hear from Josh and others who know what this forum can and can't do and take it from there, not vote on something that may not be possible. I would also think that this would need Founder approval before it becomes an RA issue. Instead, with Avolon's approval, if you changed the wording on this poll to read "should we write up a proposal for a new forum layout and then put it to a debate and vote", then I would gladly vote yes. I agree that the forum needs a make-over but I strongly feel everyone who wants a say should be allowed to have it in a civilized debate before we vote on it. All changes must be agreed upon by the RA. We cannot just simply approve PM's proposals without hearing from everyone on what they want and don't want such as icons etc. I support making this an RA issue but I cannot support trying to fast track it by simply adding a vote and then deeming it to be so. |
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| Philosophe Move | Oct 27 2006, 05:30 PM Post #5 |
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Actually, making a forum does not need to be a very hard thing. This is an invision board, which is simple enough to edit. A bit more difficult when people are active, but not to difficult. Again, I would be happy to help, and even make a working model (or even the whole thing) Of course, this is a poll, and I will happily wait until it closes. |
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| Joshua | Oct 27 2006, 05:38 PM Post #6 |
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I personally think this should be discussed by the founder, and other admins as well. Changes have been made to clean up old topics and discard things. I hav added quick links and so forth, and Ds, Avolon and others have done work as well. This should not be tied up in the RA, but thats my opinion. And the end date for the poll needs to be fixed. As 3/11/06 has already passed.
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 28 2006, 09:03 AM Post #7 |
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Josh, I think the RA has a right to ask for forum reform and after all that's all this poll is about, should there be some.. But I totally agree with you that what suggested changes are implemented should be something that Avolon has final say on. So once this poll is closed then the next step would be for Avolon to approve the admins investigating and initiating changes , each needing Founder approval before actually being implemented, and I think we also should have a section in your proposed Mod forum for forum reform suggestions... How does that work for everyone? P.S. Re date for this poll ending, in every country except the USA and her territories the date is written day/month/year unlike the US who does month/day/year so Tact's date makes perfect sense to me but to eliminate any confusion, lets make it a policy that Dates are announced in word form, that is 3rd November 06 which is the date this poll ends.
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| Joshua | Oct 28 2006, 11:16 AM Post #8 |
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That works for me Ds! We need to still see how Tacticurn, Avolon, and the other members of the RA feel about it. |
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| Tacticurn | Oct 28 2006, 04:39 PM Post #9 |
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Haha sorry Josh. British dating system pwns j00 =P And I think thae streamlinging of the forum is a good idea but like DS think it should be discussed more fully in an RA debate. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 28 2006, 10:58 PM Post #10 |
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No actually Tact I said it needs Founder approval NOT RA approval The RA asking for forum reform is one thing and well within its rights the RA taking over how the forum is designed and run by the admins and Founder and the rest of regional government is not and way oversteps the bounds of the powers of the RA. We all need to discuss forum reform but the end say so must remain with the Founder and Admins the RA can advise on this but not dictate how when etc this is done. |
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| Via Bestiae | Oct 28 2006, 11:22 PM Post #11 |
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Well, since we're still trying to figure out where exactly those boundaries are, one could conceivably suggest making them wide enough to encompass this. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 29 2006, 12:31 AM Post #12 |
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This region is supposed to a democracy, and the RA is the regional legislature, and the voice of the people in government. While I understand that the Admins need some decision making power in the day to day running of the forum, the idea that this forum constitutes some special sphere that is immune is to the legislative powers of the assembly is patently absurd. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Oct 29 2006, 10:59 AM Post #13 |
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First of all DSL, as you can see I am conciously making an effort to move past our recent spat so I truly hope you don't use this post to start it up again! My concern with all of this is that while I truly welcome the RA and believe it is an important part of TE Regional Government, I also see the risk that if it contiues like this the Founder and other ministers become powerless and have their hands tied because everything they do must at all times be approved by the RA. And DSL, I am not saying this because I am a power hungry bitch, but because I believe ALL levels of our government are important and should work together not one at the expense of another. I also believe the Founder's role and power must be preserved at all times in it's current form. If we adopted VB's suggestion of the Founder and MoFR & MoIA being part of the executive branch and separate from the RA then I think this would solve this problem. The executive branch should be accountable to the RA but not a puppet of it. |
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| Philosophe Move | Oct 29 2006, 03:40 PM Post #14 |
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Due to the technical limitations, the admins would have to have say over changing the forums no matter what the RA says. The limitations are not set by boundaries set by anyone in the governemnt, but rather by Invision. So the admins have the final say no matter what. Sorry, can't vote on that. |
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| Philosophe Move | Nov 5 2006, 04:29 PM Post #15 |
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So... seeing as how this has passed, I would like to volunteer to help on the project. I understand changing a currently-active forum can be a slight problem, and may take alot of time from the admins. I will help however people want me to, if this project gets off the ground. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 5 2006, 06:17 PM Post #16 |
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Thanks PM. I am sure your help will be very much needed and appreciated! |
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| Joshua | Nov 5 2006, 06:30 PM Post #17 |
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So, is PM asking to be made an Admin or does he just want to be apart of the project? Also, I am not sure what can be done to change the forum layout. We are working on getting new member badges. Maybe updating the forum skin, and buttons? My other suggestion is to add quicklinks to various forums so folks know how to get to certain things. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 5 2006, 06:51 PM Post #18 |
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Josh I don't think PM is asking to be an admin (although that might not be a bad idea) but rather volunteering to help where ever needed. As for Forum design, I think Avolon needs to give his approval to this as Super Admin and Founder and also approve a forum staff that would explore any ideas on changes to the forum, especially how practical they are and what is needed and then report back to Avolon and the region. I hear you loud and clear that just voting on something may not mean it is technically possible but I also think we need to explore new ideas as they are suggested and new folks with new ideas and a different pair of eyes is always a good thing. While I am at it Josh, I also wanted to publically say thank you for your one man job of making so many much needed ammendments as needed in the past couple of months to the forum. Your policy of ask and I will do my best to deliver has brought us an even better forum and with a forum design staff working with you, this can only get even better (as long as technology allows and the Founder approves). DS |
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| Philosophe Move | Nov 5 2006, 07:31 PM Post #19 |
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Nope, not asking to be an admin. Just offering help. |
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| Joshua | Nov 5 2006, 07:39 PM Post #20 |
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I was just curious PM. I am sure you would be welcomed as an Admin. But, your input and others is always welcome. So, what can be done to spruce up the forum? I think we might need a new skin, something a bit more updated. And possibly combining Region Embassies into the International Affairs category. As long as VB liked the idea.I think adding quicklinks into topic descriptions might be a good idea as long as there are not to many of them. Also, plug The Exodus 411 more, and folks are always welcome to add new things to it or post things they want added. I am sure an admin can update it. The link to it is: http://z4.invisionfree.com/TheExodus/index...?showtopic=1641 Also, I have a script for an automated welcome PM which would be handy, but I cannot get it to work. I am sure there is a lot more we can do to amke the forum better.
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| Joshua | Nov 5 2006, 07:42 PM Post #21 |
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http://z4.invisionfree.com/TheExodus/index...?showtopic=1520 Let us move forum improvement discussion to the above thread please!
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 5 2006, 07:45 PM Post #22 |
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Frankly the best thing that could be done would be to reduce the number of forums on the front page by either reducing little used forums to subforums or deleting them and moving the threads to other more active forums. |
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| Joshua | Nov 5 2006, 07:48 PM Post #23 |
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Good input my friend. Can you move the discussion here? http://z4.invisionfree.com/TheExodus/index...?showtopic=1520 If thats cool with everyone, I think everyone should have the chance to voice their ideas on forum improvements. If not we can keep the discussion here.
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 5 2006, 07:49 PM Post #24 |
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To where? That link does not lead to anywhere. |
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| Joshua | Nov 5 2006, 07:52 PM Post #25 |
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Just noticed that, try here: http://z4.invisionfree.com/TheExodus/index...?showtopic=1520 It is the forum discussion box over in the technical/moderation forum. |
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