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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 22 2006, 02:14 PM (1,441 Views) | |
| Rael One | Oct 30 2006, 08:48 PM Post #61 |
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You are correct COFR is not the largest fish in the pond and may never be. That is fine. ADN,RLA and ACCEL are all defender organizations, COFR is not. I've worked with ADN on some missions and with the RLA I helped settle Disputes. Both are regimented and depend upon control. Are you indicating that the Commonwealth shall model them? |
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| Dr Strange Love | Oct 30 2006, 09:15 PM Post #62 |
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No, but neither will we be modeled on COFR which frankly seems to a rather aimless organization. My point was that COFR was not been the only attempt at creating a muliregional organization in NS that has seen any kind of success which Oodges appeared to be asserting. |
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| Joshua | Oct 30 2006, 09:44 PM Post #63 |
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I do not care if COFR is neutral, fender, or raider. That is not where my issues stem from. |
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| oodges | Oct 31 2006, 12:12 AM Post #64 |
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i have now joined COFR for the reasons that it is successful so far, it is one of the few multi-regional orgs that is succeeding that isn't defender or invader. and as i've said before, my old UN nations region is boring me. its founder who was once great has slipped into NS treasure hunts and pretending to do stuff what is the Commonwealth going to have/do that COFR hasn't/won't? |
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| Joshua | Oct 31 2006, 12:17 AM Post #65 |
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The commonwealth has a proposed structure and goals. COFR does not. And if has propsoed to us goals, there have been no means to realizing those goals. It just seems to loosely put together and very little strucutre. The commonwealth has the council which is the governing body of it. There is the possiblity for a defender force to be established. It would give us a greater pressence on the NS political stage. We could garner and have more influence in the UN. I just feel like DSL's commonwealth proposal has more strength and structure to it. I just don't want us to put time and effort into an orginization that might not work. I just haven't been won over by this. :mellow: I feel like this debate is going in ciricles now with the samethings being said. It has been a good discussion I feel, but can a decision be made on this or can we put it up for vote please? |
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| oodges | Oct 31 2006, 12:20 AM Post #66 |
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i completely agree, it was a just a question of interest more than continuing the debate |
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| Joshua | Oct 31 2006, 12:22 AM Post #67 |
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I realize that Oodges and your inout and comments are always welcomed. I just feel like this debate needs to possibly move to the voting stage.
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| oodges | Oct 31 2006, 12:25 AM Post #68 |
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well. what're we waiting for? |
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| Hiigar | Oct 31 2006, 07:56 AM Post #69 |
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Stop, so we are not working? Straing, we are already and had already existed and will. Only if not Amor Fati Anagenesis and other regions die out. But well AFA is alive for ........ well a lot. :lol: And why are org. not working? It is already working, we already have interest from many regions. Yes we are small, we just don't want to grow quacky and have small regions in are confederacy. We already live in confederacy, we are still working, but well we done a lot, we are not only talking, but we are doing a lot. We are opening diffrent Nationality districts in empire city - meening COFR. So people can meet people of there on nationality. We are bringing confederacy closer by creating festivels, we are already creating a strong org. in Global Right Alliance, Dun Eideann 2, Amor Fati Anagenesis and Empire City. The only problem is goverment possitions and that is the only problem. But well soon it will change. And well you are saying COFR is not working. It is already working, even whit no The Exodus. The problem is that the Commonwealth, will have many things that we are already doing. We already have Mutual protection, mutual help if needed, mutual help in the UN if needed, mutual help in Diplomatical Affairs, Mutual help in many things. |
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| Rael One | Oct 31 2006, 09:06 AM Post #70 |
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Yes Bring it to a Vote! |
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| Avolon | Oct 31 2006, 11:31 AM Post #71 |
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After reading all the posts I believe this needs to be brought before all for a vote. I will add (impartailly mind you), that even if TE is not officially allied with COFR at this point in time, we should at least link ourselves as a mentor/advisor and guide them in their growth, so that in time we might become allies. I have talked in depth with Hiigar and find him to be deeply commited to this and I think given a chance he and COFR will excell and continue to grow into an prosperous org.
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| St Jello Biafra | Oct 31 2006, 02:08 PM Post #72 |
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I knew he was Founder for some reason. Brilliant idea, Avolon! |
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| oodges | Nov 1 2006, 04:14 AM Post #73 |
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i think we're either in it or we aren't. sure we can remain friends with Hiigar etc but i don't now about an advisory position. it reflects badly on the Exodus, makes us look like don't have the conviction to make a decision |
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 3 2006, 02:54 AM Post #74 |
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If COFR is really such a vibrant organization than how come your practically the only person posting on the COFR forum? |
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| Hiigar | Nov 3 2006, 03:29 AM Post #75 |
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If you look closer then you will see that i am not the only one there posting. And well we have a closed political forum - Council Forum. But it is closed only for goverment representitev. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 3 2006, 10:45 AM Post #76 |
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It seems pertinent once again to remind ALL posters NOT TO ATTACK EACH OTHER WHILE EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS. And I will also remind everyone that Hiigar is a visiting dignitary and should be treated as such. Disagree and debate by all means but this does not include bullying or attacking a nation who is respectfully bringing a proposal to our region and inviting us to join another NS body. This also does not reflect well on TE in the rest of the NS world. It's not what you are saying DSL, it is how you say it. VB and many others disagree with this proposal but have expressed their objections without attacking and belittling anyone and that is all I am asking and expecting of you! |
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| St Jello Biafra | Nov 3 2006, 10:54 AM Post #77 |
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Frankly, I believe that it was a legitimate question. How else could he have stated it to make it more polite? |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 3 2006, 11:03 AM Post #78 |
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the question it's self is not the problem but the flaming and insulting way he phrased it is.. the question could have been asked without insulting the body Hiigar represents and that in a nutshell is my point. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 3 2006, 02:11 PM Post #79 |
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If that is flaming than a lit match must be an inferno. |
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| St Jello Biafra | Nov 3 2006, 02:33 PM Post #80 |
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Could you please point out what exactly was flaming about it, and maybe provide an example of how it could have been better phrased? |
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| Rael One | Nov 3 2006, 03:10 PM Post #81 |
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Flame may not have been the proper term to use, Flamebait is more appropriate.
"If COFR is really such a..." < A challenge read: You are lying about what you have said and I am going to catch you at it. "...how come your practically the only..." < Caught Ya read: try to get out of this one. Many would see this as a very taunting post. A potential rephrasing might be: "Hiigar I visited and looked around your forum and noticed very few active posters, could you explain?" By the way I am an active supporter of COFR, and know that negotiations have just gotten under way to consider mutual agreement with another similar organization. A funny thing happened during a notification for this post. I was informed Joshua had posted yet when I arrived it was Jello who had. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 3 2006, 03:16 PM Post #82 |
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It was not an underhanded attempt to provoke a response, it was a direct question to Hiigar which of course was supposed to provoke a response, that is what questions are for. Anyway I’m done with this tangent. I dare to ask a very pertinent question and everybody chooses to focus on the slightly negative tone of the question as if that is somehow more important than the issue at hand. I have visited the COFR forum and I saw only about 350 posts, over half of which are Hiigar’s. I’m sorry if I’m not impressed by the fact that an alliance which already has about three decent sized member regions is not more active. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 3 2006, 05:16 PM Post #83 |
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DSL as I have stated to you more times than I care to remember there is a big difference between freedom of speach and insulting those you are in a discussion with and you are more than intelligent so I know you know the difference! Had you presented your agruement about a lack of activity as you have in justification above I would have no issue with it, instead you chose to insult and put down a poster to do it and that for the millionth time IS the ISSUE! You are more than capable of provoking debate without bullying and insulting others. Give it a try sometime |
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 3 2006, 06:03 PM Post #84 |
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As I have said I'm done with this tangent. If you have some desperate need to play hall monitor than please continue on with the lectures and hijacking of this thread but I won't be listening. If someone wants to debate over COFR than I will pay attention, but other than that I'm not responding to anything posted in this thread anymore. |
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| Joshua | Nov 3 2006, 09:17 PM Post #85 |
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I want to motion we move this to vote please. |
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| St Jello Biafra | Nov 3 2006, 09:34 PM Post #86 |
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Second. |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 3 2006, 09:48 PM Post #87 |
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My Dear DSL, You might want to take a look at the TE Constitution because if you did, you would see that making sure that the principles of the region which include not attacking others or belittling them is very much the role of MoIA. And if you could carry on a conversation via an IM then I would talk to you that way but since you have proven that that is not possible you have left me no choice but to do it this way and once again tell you to stop defaming and insulting people and maintain a respectful decorum which is one of the foundations of any debate in TE. Call me what you want, frankly I don't care but do not harrass and bully other nations in TE because that I very much do care about and I will never let someone do this without calling the nation in question on this behavior. Enough is enough DSL. A proper debate on any issue can only occur when the parties involved feel free to express themselves in a respecful manner without fearing a barrage of insults from someone who disagrees with them! Like I said before you are not stupid and you more than know what has been asked of you over and over again by myself, Avolon and others.. so how about YOU stop hijacking the debate with behavior that is unbecoming.. OR Discuss this official request from the MoIA with Avolon as Founder in Private. Move on and do as is expected of you or any other member of TE as part of a civil discussion. |
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| Dr Strange Love | Nov 3 2006, 09:49 PM Post #88 |
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Don't we have more pressing matters and considering the Commonwealth was proposed a good deal earlier than membership in COFR shouldn’t that go up for a vote before membership in COFR? |
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| Ds Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 3 2006, 09:56 PM Post #89 |
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Absolutely we do!!! So can I take this as a pledge from you to quit attacking folks to provoke discussion so that instead of continually calling you on this we CAN actually debate and vote on issues such as the COFR and commonwealth? |
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| Joshua | Nov 4 2006, 03:33 AM Post #90 |
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Both of you stop now, and take this to PM now. That is all. ![]() I would have to agree with DSL that the commonwealth was proposed first and should therefore be voted on first. Anyoen second that? |
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I just feel like this debate needs to possibly move to the voting stage.

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