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Blame Yourself; FIGHT BACK Spring Bear Hunt
Topic Started: Feb 5 2014, 10:43 PM (2,313 Views)
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Not only should you agree with this hunt but it should be province wide!
Environmental registry is up for the spring hunt!

http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-External/displaynoticecontent.do?noticeId=MTIxNTE3&statusId=MTgxOTg4&language=en
On the right hand side of the page,


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All comments on this proposal must be directed to:


Wildlife Policy Section
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Ministry of Natural Resources
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300 Water Street
PO Box 7000
Peterborough Ontario
K9J 8M5
Phone: (705) 755-1940
Fax: (705) 755-1957


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Thanks Ray for the info
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Posted my comment. This 2 year pilot is fine but really is only benificial to a handful of people. The real win will be a spring non-residident and resident hunt across the province.
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Have you had your say yet?
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Good I missed this.... Keep bumping this topic. Going to submit now :thumbsup:
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Blame myself ? I didn't cancel the spring bear hunt
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The other part of this is we need to encourage hunters to buy a bear tag and show support. Instead of buying a bunch of additional deer tags that some of us don't end up using, put the money of one tag towards a bear.
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I submitted my comments last week, just didn't relay that info here :cheers:
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Feb 14 2014, 11:50 AM
The other part of this is we need to encourage hunters to buy a bear tag and show support. Instead of buying a bunch of additional deer tags that some of us don't end up using, put the money of one tag towards a bear.
I for one will not be buying a bear tag this year. If the mnr wants my money they can earn it
Why would anyone buy a tag in an area where there is no season ? News flash you won't be charged for shooting a bear destroying your property this spring . Just saying
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Be positive Shane,,, The rest of us will work hard to help you get a spring hunt back.
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When it comes to the government and the mnr about the spring bear hunt there is much to be positive about. When they first shut it down there was an uproar from bear hunters and resorts province wide. Some resorts finally had to shut there operations down this all fell on deaf ears . The anti hunting vote won back then and believe it or not the anti vote still has the power . No I will not blame myself for no spring bear hunt. I will not be excited about 5 areas getting a temporary spring hunt for two years and I will not buy a bear tag either.
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Blame yourself if you do nothing and we don't get the full hunt back, That is the point of this.
There is a real opportunity to do something. Some of us are trying to do something while there is this open door.
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The open door is for two years in majority vote towns befor an election. Need I say more
After the two years are up they will say the hunt didnt prove anything or work on solving the nuisance bear issues as they have already said they don't know if this will work or not ?
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Its an issue because enough people made noise! Political issue or not. If you site back and say F it you will get NOTHING!

The whole reason they had to do something is because enough people made noise in the first place That's why its a political issue!

So make it more of a political issue then. That's what we are doing here.

I'm saying write in. If we all get together (On the same page) and push not only is this a good start BUT we need the full hunt brought back, It gets documented and looked at!

In 99 I can tell you as you know the MNR DIDN`T want to cancel the hunt but the government told them to do it.
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Government is telling them to sort this bear issue out. Yes the full hunt should be just brought back but everyone is trying to save face at the same time.
Now if northern Ontario as well as the rest of Ontario tells them to bring the full hunt back we stand a chance to see it back.
Before this we didn't stand a chance!
Door is open for us all but unless we all make this an issue and you and I stand up and make every effort to get the word out nothing will be done.

People reading this see me,, Some guy making noise about doing something and then see you,,,, An extremely knowledgeable person who is an outfitter for a living telling them its not worth it.
Guess what people will do.
Not do anything.
Maybe your right.
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I am thinking this two tear pilot project will be a success and it will be reinstated province wide. The government probably wants to wash there hands on this issue after such a debacle. They don't have the money or the resources to deal with it anymore. IMO the pilot project is just a political fluff job to slowly bring back the bear hunt. They don't want to look like completed idiots to all the citiots. But one thing that is apparent is the cost to the province and the tied up OPP resources. The anti's cant argue that and I bet you they wouldn't want there taxes to go up because of it. But I agree with Bigr we have to lobby. If you sit back and do nothing you'll get nothing in return. The past is the past if you want change now is the time. If we let this opportunity slip by it will be gone forever.
Take a few minutes and send in a reply... what do we have to loose.
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I think the MNR would be more than happy to bring the hunt back. I don't think having at lot of people being vocal to get the hunt back is going to make much of a difference. They are trying to be as diplomatic in bringing it back as possible (and quietly). On the other hand the amount of trouble the antis stir up is going to make the most difference. If they don't get to loud it will be back. It will be hard to keep up a strong fight for two years with the minimum ammunition they have been given to use. I live in a very populated area with a lot of tourists (cottagers). They are the type that got the hunt cancelled. Now they come to me wanting the bears shot because they are afraid to walk down the road. I tell them right out. You wanted them, you got them. If you have a problem call your MP and get the hunt reinstated. I have refused to shoot a bear here anymore unless it is causing ME problems. The cottagers put their garbage out on Sunday. Pick up is Wednesday. The only way they are going to stop baiting bears in Muskoka is if they pick up all the garbage in all of Muskoka from 9 pm sunday night to 9am mon morning. The antis are against baiting yet that is exactly what they are doing and is causing the most problems.
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We all have our reasons for not trusting the mnr and government when it comes to hunting . The last time I bought a moose tag was in 1991 I think , the reason was the tag system is a joke . I am not gonna buy a tag and plan a trip to go hunt calves . You have a better chance to win the 649 than get an adult tag . But the mnr don't want to lose any sales so they keep selling them with bogus numbers of what's available in all areas . The hunting of just calves by the majority of hunters is not smart management . Guys that have bought moose licences for 7-10 years without getting an adult tag is common .

Wolf numbers are at an all time high , not sure why the mnr feel they need to be protected ? I'm thinking anti groups have put pressure on the government about it . As long as I can remember you could kill as many of them as you wanted. Now it's just two a year ? So no I don't buy wolf tags either

The bear hunt we all know why that was cancelled . There wasn't anything anyone could do about it . They claim that " a orphaned bear cub study had been performed " this statement was false and something they simply pulled outa there ass . Lies after lies from the mnr and government about it . The anti hunting vote forced government into cancelling it plain and simple and like a dog in heat the government run to the anti vote and stood for them .

The deer hunt is as misguided as I've ever seen it . To make up for lost sales in bear and moose tags they have over sold additional deer tags to no end . With bear and wolf numbers at there highest numbers the deer are taking a shit kicking . Add some harsh winters , all these additional tags plus everyone's normal deer tag it don't take a mnr wildlife degree to figure out the results . It's all about money , politics and power . Ontarios natural resources is the most unbalanced and unnatural it's ever been .

And ray I'm not an outfitter anymore , as hard as I've tried it's a losing battle . The mnr told me that the bma I had and that I had to pay an annual fee for ( lol more money for them ) which was 100 square miles in an area that not even locals hunted could only have 3 bear a year taken off it . Unless I did the math wrong 3 bear a year is not a way to make a living

If it was my way I would have every ontario hunter boycott and not buy any licence of any kind and hit him where it hurts . It's the hunters money that keeps them going lets see how they do without our money for a couple years . As I know for a fact a letter and a phone call to them does nothing . I applaud your efforts but feel your only spinning your wheels .


It was money to back the anti hunters that basically threatened politicians to do what they said or the anti vote would vote them out . Do you really think the anti hunting vote has changed there opinion ?
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Feb 16 2014, 11:16 AM
We all have our reasons for not trusting the mnr and government when it comes to hunting . The last time I bought a moose tag was in 1991 I think , the reason was the tag system is a joke . I am not gonna buy a tag and plan a trip to go hunt calves . You have a better chance to win the 649 than get an adult tag . But the mnr don't want to lose any sales so they keep selling them with bogus numbers of what's available in all areas . The hunting of just calves by the majority of hunters is not smart management . Guys that have bought moose licences for 7-10 years without getting an adult tag is common .

Wolf numbers are at an all time high , not sure why the mnr feel they need to be protected ? I'm thinking anti groups have put pressure on the government about it . As long as I can remember you could kill as many of them as you wanted. Now it's just two a year ? So no I don't buy wolf tags either

The bear hunt we all know why that was cancelled . There wasn't anything anyone could do about it . They claim that " a orphaned bear cub study had been performed " this statement was false and something they simply pulled outa there ass . Lies after lies from the mnr and government about it . The anti hunting vote forced government into cancelling it plain and simple and like a dog in heat the government run to the anti vote and stood for them .

The deer hunt is as misguided as I've ever seen it . To make up for lost sales in bear and moose tags they have over sold additional deer tags to no end . With bear and wolf numbers at there highest numbers the deer are taking a shit kicking . Add some harsh winters , all these additional tags plus everyone's normal deer tag it don't take a mnr wildlife degree to figure out the results . It's all about money , politics and power . Ontarios natural resources is the most unbalanced and unnatural it's ever been .

And ray I'm not an outfitter anymore , as hard as I've tried it's a losing battle . The mnr told me that the bma I had and that I had to pay an annual fee for ( lol more money for them ) which was 100 square miles in an area that not even locals hunted could only have 3 bear a year taken off it . Unless I did the math wrong 3 bear a year is not a way to make a living

If it was my way I would have every ontario hunter boycott and not buy any licence of any kind and hit him where it hurts . It's the hunters money that keeps them going lets see how they do without our money for a couple years . As I know for a fact a letter and a phone call to them does nothing . I applaud your efforts but feel your only spinning your wheels .


It was money to back the anti hunters that basically threatened politicians to do what they said or the anti vote would vote them out . Do you really think the anti hunting vote has changed there opinion ?
yes Shane you are right 100% That's why I do all my hunting in the USA

Ontarios natural resources is the most unbalanced and unnatural it's ever been AMEN to this
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Very true Shane.. Our government is on a streak of making decisions based on votes and not what's in the best interest of the province.
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after they cancelled the spring hunt in ontario the schad foundation went to manitoba and gave the same threats . The premiere of manitoba said take a hike cause the rest of manttoba could out vote winnipeg ( where the anti votes are )
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Feb 16 2014, 11:03 AM
I think the MNR would be more than happy to bring the hunt back. I don't think having at lot of people being vocal to get the hunt back is going to make much of a difference. They are trying to be as diplomatic in bringing it back as possible (and quietly). On the other hand the amount of trouble the antis stir up is going to make the most difference. If they don't get to loud it will be back. It will be hard to keep up a strong fight for two years with the minimum ammunition they have been given to use. I live in a very populated area with a lot of tourists (cottagers). They are the type that got the hunt cancelled. Now they come to me wanting the bears shot because they are afraid to walk down the road. I tell them right out. You wanted them, you got them. If you have a problem call your MP and get the hunt reinstated. I have refused to shoot a bear here anymore unless it is causing ME problems. The cottagers put their garbage out on Sunday. Pick up is Wednesday. The only way they are going to stop baiting bears in Muskoka is if they pick up all the garbage in all of Muskoka from 9 pm sunday night to 9am mon morning. The antis are against baiting yet that is exactly what they are doing and is causing the most problems.
You should send that in word for word.
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Not to always disagree but there's no such thing as bringing any type of hunting in quietly. There's no way the mnr can sneek in a hunt of any kind without the anti,s knowing. If the mnr want the hunt back then stand firm and tell the government this is the only way to solve this problem ( province wide , non residents included ) the same spring bear hunt that ievery other province has in canada , the same bear hunt that was cancelled .

It will not surprise me after two years of this half ass bear hunt in a small percentage of the province that the government will close it again saying that it didnt have and significant change to the problem. They have already said that they don't know if it will work ? Just how reducing bear numbers won't work I don't know ? And they have already said its just for two years .

It's obvious what's going on here when the 5 biggest towns in the north get the hunt befor an election
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You have missed reading some stuff Shane, I posted a link to a CBC news radio interview that the minister of the MNR clearly states that if it doesn't show results then the door might have to be opened to more hunting opportunities. You commented on it I believe but did you read it?
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Would be nice to see a spring bear hunt here in Lanark County. :wink:
To top it off,we dont have any additional deer tags,havent for quite a few years now and getting a doe tag is like winning the lottery.
To everyone who gets the spring bear hunt and additional tags for deer good luck.
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My comments

The pilot project is a small step towards righting a situation that never
should have been allowed to occur in the first place. The whole orphaned cub
argument flies in the face of logic and fact , as the MNR should have known at
the time and must realize by now. The orphaning of wildlife is a sham designed
to pull at the heartstrings of a well meaning but ignorant of the facts urban
populace that hasn't a clue about wildlife management or natural processes.

I suspect there were very few instances of hunters targeting sows with cubs
and those few occaisions should have been dealt with through the courts by
enforcing the laws in place at the time.

Sows getting killed by vehicles and shot by landowners in defence of property
were likely the largest source of "Cub Orphaning" and this is likely still the
case today. Add to this the "orphans" that were actually temporarily ditched by
the sow and taken away by well meaning people who could not imagine a mother
abandoning their babies, and I feel this explains the vast majority of
"Orphaned Cubs".

Ontario and I believe Nova Scotia are the only jurasdictions that have an issue
with the spring hunt and I don't believe the statistics elsewhere support the
"orphaning" of Cubs argument.

To be clear, the spring hunt was cancelled without public consultation and
should be re-instated simply on the basis of lack of evidence to support the
initial closure.

Personally I am a Hunter in the province of Ontario that has a live and let
live attitude towards bears and have no real interest in hunting them at any
time. However wildlife management as a tool of Political expediancy is
troubling to me and decicions made to save a political parties skin in an
election at the expence of my outdoors heritage will not be accepted lightly.

Use a pilot project if you must but ultimately the manipulation of wildlife
resources for political gain is wrong,the MNR knows it's wrong and it must not
be allowed to continue lest it grease the already slippery slope of pandering
to the urban masses when it comes to all public policy.

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Feb 17 2014, 08:51 AM
You have missed reading some stuff Shane, I posted a link to a CBC news radio interview that the minister of the MNR clearly states that if it doesn't show results then the door might have to be opened to more hunting opportunities. You commented on it I believe but did you read it?
Ray yes I read it , you think I comment on random posts without reading it ? the minister of the MNR clearly states that if it doesn't show results then the door MIGHT have to be opened to more hunting opportunities. The word MIGHT should make you suspicious at best . They Might have to or they MIGHT not, it's a pretty safe word . I have no trust in anything the mnr say , if you wanna think the mnr has your back and fighting for you ray well good luck with that . We are in ontario where politicians go with the majority vote and we know what the majority vote thinks of the spring bear hunt.

You should go buy some lottery tickets ray you Might win
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Too much political jargon! If you're in favor of the spring hunt, then buy a tag, and respectively kill a boar or a nl sow. If your angry at the government & MNR, then sit on your ass and sulk but I'm not missing out on hunting opportunities to make a point to the MNR or government. I have nuisance bears all the time, now with the new property protection regulations, I'll be dropping more bears if they become a problem, not relying on the MNR or OPP to dispatch a bear cage! I bait on my acreage, & I've had a lactating sow at the house which I encountered and scared off. Fortunately, the rest of the bears now are game for slug sandwiches!
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Feb 17 2014, 12:38 PM
Too much political jargon! If you're in favor of the spring hunt, then buy a tag, and respectively kill a boar or a nl sow. If your angry at the government & MNR, then sit on your ass and sulk but I'm not missing out on hunting opportunities to make a point to the MNR or government. I have nuisance bears all the time, now with the new property protection regulations, I'll be dropping more bears if they become a problem, not relying on the MNR or OPP to dispatch a bear cage! I bait on my acreage, & I've had a lactating sow at the house which I encountered and scared off. Fortunately, the rest of the bears now are game for slug sandwiches!
i have no spring hunt where i am bear claw , and you think i should buy a tag and support it? and if you think i am sitting on my ass and sulking about it then you dont know me. we havent had a spring bear hunt since 1999 so i can live without it. we kive in ontario not fantasy land. And do you think your the only one that will be dropping nuisance bears lol .

the mnr in ontario here should sell tags for elephants in the spring . just so we could buy tags and support them
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Shane, I don't think you would be happy even if it was fully reinstated. You seem to try and find issue and jump somewhere else. Do you reread where comments were made that if this dosnt work then they need to look at opening more opportunity?
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Its very inportant that the nuesence bears be called in. Very!!!!
Shoot if need be but this is how we got the ammo in the first place. Call them in.
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Ray if you think that getting everyone on this forum to send in a letter will get the bear hunt back well I applaud your efforts. I am not knocking you or mocking your efforts or judging you . If people want to say I'm sulking that's there opinion and if you want to say that I respond to posts without reading them that's fine with me .

To tell you the truth after what 15 years now without a spring bear hunt that was cancelled only from political pressure I could care less about a spring bear hunt. If I want to hunt spring bear I am only a 45 minute drive from Manitoba not to mention the fact not hard to shoot a problem bear in the spring where I live .

I for one do not agree how the mnr is managing our game, it's far from managing anything . I will not praise the mnr for anything they do , as they fold there hand to the government and close there eyes to problems when the solution is right in front of them . They always use the words ( might maybe perhaps possibly ) to always leave themselves a loop hole to back track on issues . If people want to say I'm sulking when I say this then I say to you prove me wrong .

Buy a tag to hunt spring bear to support the mnr in areas where there is no spring bear hunt ? Lol don't think so that's not happening . Why open a spring bear hunt at all if we're all gonna buy tags anyway right ?

To those that get to hunt bear this spring congrats and I hope you all get one . If they ever open it up province wide again even better . But I see no great victory if it happens , we all have lost for 15 years now , and many tourist operations have suffered greatly .

I will not support the mnr in anything , they have made such a mess with so many things now that it's close to beyond repair . So when you say BLAME YOURSELf like you did in the title of this topic I shake my head . Try shifting the blame to who is actually to blame and not fellow hunters . I'm gonna go sit on my ass now and sulk
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Feb 17 2014, 04:14 PM
Ray if you think that getting everyone on this forum to send in a letter will get the bear hunt back well I applaud your efforts. I am not knocking you or mocking your efforts or judging you . If people want to say I'm sulking that's there opinion and if you want to say that I respond to posts without reading them that's fine with me .

To tell you the truth after what 15 years now without a spring bear hunt that was cancelled only from political pressure I could care less about a spring bear hunt. If I want to hunt spring bear I am only a 45 minute drive from Manitoba not to mention the fact not hard to shoot a problem bear in the spring where I live .

I for one do not agree how the mnr is managing our game, it's far from managing anything . I will not praise the mnr for anything they do , as they fold there hand to the government and close there eyes to problems when the solution is right in front of them . They always use the words ( might maybe perhaps possibly ) to always leave themselves a loop hole to back track on issues . If people want to say I'm sulking when I say this then I say to you prove me wrong .

Buy a tag to hunt spring bear to support the mnr in areas where there is no spring bear hunt ? Lol don't think so that's not happening . Why open a spring bear hunt at all if we're all gonna buy tags anyway right ?

To those that get to hunt bear this spring congrats and I hope you all get one . If they ever open it up province wide again even better . But I see no great victory if it happens , we all have lost for 15 years now , and many tourist operations have suffered greatly .

I will not support the mnr in anything , they have made such a mess with so many things now that it's close to beyond repair . So when you say BLAME YOURSELf like you did in the title of this topic I shake my head . Try shifting the blame to who is actually to blame and not fellow hunters . I'm gonna go sit on my ass now and sulk
I pretty much have the same sentiments as Shane.
That being said I think there are a lot of experienced people in the MNR that are just as pissed and frustrated as most hunters. The real problem is all the shit filters down from the top. The MNR is controlled by the government and are dictated to. If there are decisions that have political interests it has gotten to the point that the decisions will not be made on the basis of science but political pandering. The MNR has no power any more, all their funds have been taken away ( the money from licences etc. is taken outside the MNR). Until the government stops giving in to powerful lobbies nothing will change.
From what I understand Shane has every right to be frustrated and not willing to get excited about the possibility of the hunt being reinstated. I feel the same way and I take offence when someone like Bigr starts berating other hunters to do what he feels is right. Its great to have a goal and unite people but proactively. I have to say that in a lot of ways Bigr's tactics are the same as the antis. He feels he is right and everyone else should follow his lead. Once he is a little older, wiser and more experienced he will understand and see things in a different perspective. I understand his thinking but also know how in 20 years he will understand a little more how the world works.
It is a waste of time to convince hunters to bring back the hunt. They already want it back. Bigr, you will get more bang from your buck by educating and convincing individual people that are against the hunt. I guarantee you every one you get to change sides will change ten people.
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I'm not going to be buying tags, none in my area anyway, this pilot project only offers tags in a small percentage of WMU's. I agree completely with Shane and share his sentiments. Muskoka Whitetails correctly points out that the problem isn't with most MNR staff, the problem is in upper management and government.
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I still blame Shane
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Feb 17 2014, 06:23 PM
I still blame Shane
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Feb 17 2014, 06:23 PM
I still blame Shane
Of course you would lol
Well I'm not saying Bigrs thinking is totally wrong but neither is mine . I have good reason to feel the way I do . Ya sure we could all put blue paint on out face and dress up like Mel Gibson in brave heart and storm a building and make our demands but it won't accomplish a thing
With our luck the king would grant the right for the mnr CO,s to bed our wives on our wedding night
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now this might be a question most don't have the answer for, but am sure some educated guess's as to bear population and the areas where the spring bear hunt is going to take place, and whether or not their fall season allows 1 or 2 bears.
Reason I ask is that where I deer hunt, we are allowed 1 bear in the fall, and no spring season. I would also hazard a guess it has a very high population compared to the rest of the province.
If the spring bear season is happening the same place as 2 fall bears can be taken, does it happen to be somewhere around the caribou grounds?
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Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant
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Feb 17 2014, 05:55 PM
I feel the same way and I take offence when someone like Bigr starts berating other hunters to do what he feels is right. Its great to have a goal and unite people but proactively. I have to say that in a lot of ways Bigr's tactics are the same as the antis. He feels he is right and everyone else should follow his lead. Once he is a little older, wiser and more experienced he will understand and see things in a different perspective. I understand his thinking but also know how in 20 years he will understand a little more how the world works.
It is a waste of time to convince hunters to bring back the hunt. They already want it back. Bigr, you will get more bang from your buck by educating and convincing individual people that are against the hunt. I guarantee you every one you get to change sides will change ten people.
:spinning: With statements like that we won't get it back. And your right in thinking its the same tactics as the opposition. You got to be a player to play the game and win. Number one problem with hunters is that we can't stick together. But sure as sh&^t we will wine about it around the fire and on the internet. When someone is promoting a lobby to improve hunting opportunities in Ontario why do we start ripping them up. Don't buy a tag.... but just help play the game and call in nuisance bears and send in a letter. Is that really to much to ask.
As hunter we are going to face future political challenges. If as hunters we don't unite and seek a common ground we are doomed. The anti's are smarter than us hunters they know how to play the game and stick together. We have to have more political lobbying or it will all be gone.
Edited by forkhorn, Feb 17 2014, 07:15 PM.
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People have been sending letters and making phone calls complaint about bears for 15 years now.
And no the anti hunters are not smarter. There is more of them and have money to back them
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The bean counters need the statistical numbers. The areas with the "two year" season had the most reported complaints. I have lived in rural areas all my life and bears get shot all the time and never reported. The people who usually report complaints are people that don't own firearms. Its just evidence to support the case.

And your right the anti's aren't smarter... bad wording. lol But they play a better game. I doubt if there are more bleeding heart anti's than hunters. I feel that they educate the fence sitters better and sway there opinions. They spend there money and lobby. They pick the 'worst case' scenario and glorify it as the norm. Doesn't matter if its true or not. We as hunters buy tags and spend millions(on everything possible) for hunting. Some people even spend millions to increase habitat. But do we spend at least a few dollars on lobbying against the anti's and to improve habitat (some do). Org's like ducks unlimited improve wetlands but what else is there out there. Orgs like NOSSA(I got to renew my membership) seem to do a lot around Thunder Bay but what do we have provincially(OFAH????). We need to be more like the Americans(yeah.. I said it!) and have a power house like the NRA. And start having the attitude that this is our province and we the people control it.. We can control what happens but it starts by playing the game. I hate voting because politics is a joke... but still I vote for the best person I believe has my interests in play. Mostly its just all lies, but dammit you got to try.
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Get it ?
Minister of Natural Resources David Orazietti says
"The bear hunt will only be allowed in certain areas this spring, mostly around the region's five major cities.

But he said that — and to whom the bear hunt is available — could change after this first season."

Fight for it if you want it !!!
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