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Gonna be a war
Topic Started: Mar 1 2014, 03:42 PM (1,067 Views)
Shane
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What's going in Ukrain ? USA stepping in and Russia stepping in and china says they got Russia's back? Don't sound good
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Hope its just sword rattling
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Shane
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No kidding. Hate to see what china has up there sleeve
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Just crazy stupid.
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better eat your wheaties if you taking on russia and china
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Won't be any war with the USA, Obammer will draw a red line then a purple line, than maybe a sky blue pink line, then go play a round of golf and raise some campaign money for the rest of his cronies. In the meantime there'll be a Putin puppet in Kiev.

My suggestion to all Eastern European countries, you better start building up your military capabilities, looks like the USSR will be back soon ?

Remember what happened after the 1936 Olympics ?

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Edited by WLK, Mar 2 2014, 04:59 PM.
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It's scary stuff for sure. Hopefully everything works itself out in a non-confrentational manner. If it became a war it would be a short and nuclear one that would end our planet. That's the unfortunate thing with todays technology. Just imagine if India and Pakistan became involved. They are opposite allies and have 100s of nuclear weapons aimed at eachother right now.
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I don't see this escalating into any nuclear scenario . Putin May be crazy but not that crazy.
Remember before the last USA Pres election, Obama told Putin, he ,Obama, could be more flexible after his re-election. I think Putin took that as meaning more flexible, for him to do what he wants in Eastern Europe ?
Russia is a 3rd world nation with a 1st world military, and this won't be the only country they occupy.

History repeating itself.

My biggest fear is, fur prices will likely drop now.

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Partikle
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It's nuts over there. Russia always tells the American's to stay out and mind their own business and then they turn around and move their troops into a different country. WTF?
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If this gets ugly it sucks we will likely get involved as well . FML
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Trust me guys, us Yankees aren't getting involved in another war, especially with Obama in the White House.
Jesh, he wants to cut our army to pre WWII levels.
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Remember how Russia and China told the Americans to stay our of Syria and not in intervene...
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One of the reasons Obama tucked his tail and ran from Syria, he was afraid we'd find some weapons of mass destruction in Syria stamped made in Iraq.
His foreign policy shows what a amateur he really is.
No to the keystone pipeline and fracking, and crude oil is $104 + per barrel today, because Russia is the biggest exporter of crude in the world.
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All these armchair warriors who think they know more than Obama. What do you expect Obama to do? There are no easy options in this situation. Non-military options that penalize Russia for their aggression is the approach to be taken here. Russia invaded Georgia some years back under Bush and we didn't do anything and the warning signs were there. This is not a republican/democrat issue. Sarah Palin is crowing about her prediction, what a nutbar. Russia has changed much since the cold war days. The US does cooperate and work with Russia in some areas like the work to maintain the International Space Station, with Russian Soyuz capsules bringing American astronauts into orbit. Both countries have cooperated, on sanctioning Iran for its nuclear program, and agreement was reached to remove Syria's chemical weapons arsenal. You can certainly understand Russia's defensive or aggresive posture (depending on how you look at it) toward newly independant nations with that used to be part of the Soviet empire.
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Mar 3 2014, 10:22 AM
All these armchair warriors who think they know more than Obama. What do you expect Obama to do? There are no easy options in this situation. Non-military options that penalize Russia for their aggression is the approach to be taken here. Russia invaded Georgia some years back under Bush and we didn't do anything and the warning signs were there. This is not a republican/democrat issue. Sarah Palin is crowing about her prediction, what a nutbar. Russia has changed much since the cold war days. The US does cooperate and work with Russia in some areas like the work to maintain the International Space Station, with Russian Soyuz capsules bringing American astronauts into orbit. Both countries have cooperated, on sanctioning Iran for its nuclear program, and agreement was reached to remove Syria's chemical weapons arsenal. You can certainly understand Russia's defensive or aggresive posture (depending on how you look at it) toward newly independant nations with that used to be part of the Soviet empire.
well said Rene
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Rene,
I wondered how long it would take before you defended Obama. You know nothing of me or my families military service, so suggesting I'm some kind of "armchair warriors", speaks volumes about you.
The US had no strategic interest inGeorgia and have little to none in the Ukraine, or Syria for that matter.
Just take a look at t he worlds conflicts today and tell me Obama's foreign policy has worked ?

All you guys can do is dredge up George Bush, news flash , he isn't President anymore. I didn't like many things he did, but I didn't blame Bill Clinton. At least the world feared the Cowboy Bush. The Syria red line showed what a rank amateur Obama is. Chamberlain and the rest of the world did nothing when Hitler annexed the Sudatanland, and then occupied Czechoslovakia, we all know the result of that.

It lakes me laugh, I rarely commented on this site about Canadian politics! and when I did rightly so got flamed.
My brother was a ardent supporter of Obama and a life long Democrat, he even gave mucho dollars to Obama and Hillary campaigns. Then came the disastrous Obamacare, guess what, my brother has called his Dem. Reps in CA, and told them he has never been so betrayed in his life, and will never vote Dem. again.
We'll wait for the 2014 mid-term elections, and then see. I thought Bush destroyed the Republican Party for many years to come, but then came Obama, and he has done the same for the democrats.
In the meantime Eastern Europe will be in flames, the Balkans come to mind.
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Mar 3 2014, 01:37 PM
Rene,
I wondered how long it would take before you defended Obama. You know nothing of me or my families military service, so suggesting I'm some kind of "armchair warriors", speaks volumes about you.
The US had no strategic interest inGeorgia and have little to none in the Ukraine, or Syria for that matter.
Just take a look at t he worlds conflicts today and tell me Obama's foreign policy has worked ?

All you guys can do is dredge up George Bush, news flash , he isn't President anymore. I didn't like many things he did, but I didn't blame Bill Clinton. At least the world feared the Cowboy Bush. The Syria red line showed what a rank amateur Obama is. Chamberlain and the rest of the world did nothing when Hitler annexed the Sudatanland, and then occupied Czechoslovakia, we all know the result of that.

It lakes me laugh, I rarely commented on this site about Canadian politics! and when I did rightly so got flamed.
My brother was a ardent supporter of Obama and a life long Democrat, he even gave mucho dollars to Obama and Hillary campaigns. Then came the disastrous Obamacare, guess what, my brother has called his Dem. Reps in CA, and told them he has never been so betrayed in his life, and will never vote Dem. again.
We'll wait for the 2014 mid-term elections, and then see. I thought Bush destroyed the Republican Party for many years to come, but then came Obama, and he has done the same for the democrats.
In the meantime Eastern Europe will be in flames, the Balkans come to mind.
I'm not defending Obama or damning him. He is in a tough spot right now. The worlds conflicts are not on Obama and no foreign policy of the USA is going to change the fact that there are going to be ongoing conflicts. Here is a very good analysis of Obama's foreign policy that hits a lot of key points.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137516/martin-indyk-kenneth-lieberthal-and-michael-e-ohanlon/scoring-obamas-foreign-policy

I apologize for my characterization of some of the opinions as coming from "armchair warriors" but I often wonder how well some understand the issues. I mean no disrespect.
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Rene,
Your characterization of ArmChair warriors was unexpected from you, Apology accepted,

I understand Obama's and Cuomos policies pretty well, I have had to live with them the last 5 years. My income is down, my healthcare costs are up ,my. Fuel costs are up, my savings are diminishing, industry is fleeing the state along with high paying jobs, and we're losing our 2nd & 4th amendment rights.
Plus us conservatives have been told there's no place for us in NYS, kinda what Wallace told Rev King in Alabama, and what Hitler told the Jews.
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No kidding, NY sure isn't a conservative stronghold. I actually believe in ideas from both ends of the spectrum. The next election will be interesting. As a Canadian we are very much aware of politics in the US. What happens there has a very large impact on our nation.
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Country's don't make renvenue when going into War.... War bad.
And Fracking also bad... if you live near by Kiss your ground water good bye and lakes. Did I say War is bad..
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Mar 3 2014, 03:03 PM
No kidding, NY sure isn't a conservative stronghold. I actually believe in ideas from both ends of the spectrum. The next election will be interesting. As a Canadian we are very much aware of politics in the US. What happens there has a very large impact on our nation.
Actually, upstate NY is strongly conservative, of the 62 counties in NY, 52 county legislatures passed resolutions opposed to Cuomos UN -SAFE Act. This is unprecedented in NY State history. Also, the NYS Sheriffs Association state they will not enforce the SAFE Act.

Of course the 8 NYC counties (worlds largest liberal stronghold) didn't pass resolutions nor did Albany county, the state capital where all the non-represrenting representatives work, nor did Tompkins County, home of Cornell University, a upstate Liberal stronghold.

But NYC dictates policy to rural upstate. We here in upstate have a different economy, culture, etc.., but don't have the voting population to over rule NYC wackos.
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