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Forage Peas; Forage Peas
Topic Started: Nov 22 2014, 11:04 AM (1,314 Views)
Donnie7
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Just curious if anyone has tried to grow Forage Peas for deer? I am in Ottawa Valley, tried growing with fall rye and oats this year and the peas did not grow worth a darn. Planted around August 10th, followed by four days of rain. Peas sprouted but did not grow. Any ideas why?

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Friggs
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Are you sure they weren't nipped by deer ?
Last year I planted 4010 peas along with oats and fall rye and the deer ate them all. This year I planted meadow peas in the same mixture and only a few were eaten and nipped about 2-3" from the ground and didn't grow as well as 4010.
Next year, its going to be 4010 peas again, but at least 80 lbs/ac.

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Hi Friggs, you could be right. Some did start and grew to about 2 inches and then were gone. Probably didn't seed enough, early enough with good soil will be my focus for next year. Not really sure what to expect for peas other than I have read the deer really like them.

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How much are you guys paying for 4010's
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Nov 23 2014, 08:47 AM
How much are you guys paying for 4010's
Last spring it was $25.50 for a 50 lbs bag, they also sell by the lbs.
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August was wayyy too late for peas! They need atleast 2 months to get going and 3 -4 months to mature. That was the problem for sure.
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Hey Big R, is there anything that you normally plant with peas, or do you plant them on their own?

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Donnie
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Donnie7
Nov 23 2014, 08:22 AM
Hi Friggs, you could be right. Some did start and grew to about 2 inches and then were gone. Probably didn't seed enough, early enough with good soil will be my focus for next year. Not really sure what to expect for peas other than I have read the deer really like them.

Donnie
Donnie,
What size plot are you trying to grow ?
You will get different answers from just about everyone, try experimenting and find out what works for you. IMO, if you have small plots say half acre or less then the peas won't last long 2-3 weeks tops depending on your deer population.
That being said and IMO, the peas really draw deer in and that's why I plant them in mid August so it will pull them in for early bow season. I only have a half acre to play with so I plant them with oats, rye and red clover. So when the cold temps come the oats and peas will frost kill and it leaves the rye and clover which will start growing again early next spring. The peas grow tall and will lean against the oats or rye plus once the peas are gone they will eat the oats and once the oats frost kill then they eat the rye. So plant diversity and not just one crop. When people/hunters plant corn or soyabeans as a single crop many throw in rye or brassicas in early fall to have diversity.


Right now, my deer are digging down and eating the rye until the snow gets over a foot deep. Then they move to their wintering grounds and yard up. Last year they were all gone off the plots around mid December after the foot and half of snow we got.

I hope this helps a little.

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Hey Friggs, I planted the peas with Winter Wheat and Fall Rye and Some oats. Everything came up but the peas where they did germinate only grew two inches. The deer have eaten everything now, including all above. I thought that the peas should have grown more than they did? The plot size is about half an acre.
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Donnie7
Dec 11 2014, 12:06 PM
Hey Friggs, I planted the peas with Winter Wheat and Fall Rye and Some oats. Everything came up but the peas where they did germinate only grew two inches. The deer have eaten everything now, including all above. I thought that the peas should have grown more than they did? The plot size is about half an acre.
I have had poor luck with forage peas... I have tried a couple different varieties through the years. I guess back a few years ago when it was dry they burnt out & the last years has been the same, couple inches & there gone. Not a small plot either 5/6 acres with some other stuff mixed.
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to get the very most for your deer and the peas, Plant after typical last frosts in your area. Me that's June. They are not frost tolerant.

I have planted them on there own and have done well and also with soy but soy is expensive. Here they are on there own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL8kpHecrbk&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

And if you had any questions on radish and dwarf Essex watch these next 2 videos
Land owner stops for a look, LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOxWPexjFA&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ
Then in late October, You will see I did strips of Radish and then a strip of Dwarf Essex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl9mxiy4H5w&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

Another Video,, Buck on the bag stuff on left of plot and coop seed on right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hQMKOajlk&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

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Dec 11 2014, 12:31 PM
to get the very most for your deer and the peas, Plant after typical last frosts in your area. Me that's June. They are not frost tolerant.

I have planted them on there own and have done well and also with soy but soy is expensive. Here they are on there own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL8kpHecrbk&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

And if you had any questions on radish and dwarf Essex watch these next 2 videos
Land owner stops for a look, LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOxWPexjFA&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ
Then in late October, You will see I did strips of Radish and then a strip of Dwarf Essex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl9mxiy4H5w&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

Another Video,, Buck on the bag stuff on left of plot and coop seed on right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hQMKOajlk&list=UUCoYUe_AlXTQBVLqV-FfzgQ

That makes sense I didn't plant mine until the mid of July...
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Dec 11 2014, 12:14 PM
Donnie7
Dec 11 2014, 12:06 PM
Hey Friggs, I planted the peas with Winter Wheat and Fall Rye and Some oats. Everything came up but the peas where they did germinate only grew two inches. The deer have eaten everything now, including all above. I thought that the peas should have grown more than they did? The plot size is about half an acre.
I have had poor luck with forage peas... I have tried a couple different varieties through the years. I guess back a few years ago when it was dry they burnt out & the last years has been the same, couple inches & there gone. Not a small plot either 5/6 acres with some other stuff mixed.
Donnie and Wilebski,
Have you done a soil test recently or in the past ? Field peas need moderate P & K levels and some sulfur and zinc and grow better in cooler weather. There are two kind of peas cool season such as Austrian winter peas, frostmaster, 4010 and 6040 and continue to grow in colder weather, (AWP can handle up to -10F). Warm season peas such as Iron clay peas, cow-peas and lab-lab to name a few in each group. Usually, cool season is for forage and baling for livestock and warm for the grain or the dried pea for consumption, both can be grazed but warm has a larger and better pod. Both are legumes and don't need much nitrogen when planted because they produce their own nitrogen.

Maybe you planted a warm season pea and it slowed down with the cooler weather or your soil is not up to par. I had an early hard frost this year in mid September and killed my oats so they didn't grow very big compared to other years. I've tried trapper, golden and meadow peas and nothing stands up to 4010 peas for growth and deer consumption and its cheaper than Austrian Winter peas.

I plant most of my crops in late summer. You are passed the heat/drought of summer and you don't have many weeds to worry about. Just plant a day or two before a good rain. Lots of rain in early fall and some nice warm days also and no bugs. Next year 4010 peas with oats, red clover and radishes in early to mid August (100 lbs/ac peas & 50 lbs/ac oats) than come back 3-4 weeks later with good rain coming and top dress the winter rye.
With my sandy soils it usually dries out in July and August except for the rye and red clover from the previous planting. Because the rye has deep roots and shades out and protects the clover.

I would love to plant several acres of annuals and perennial crops to feed deer and other wildlife all year around but I can't afford that with the cost of seed and fertilizer and never mind lime. Also, with larger plots you need larger equipment. You have to wonder after awhile how much work and what it costs to shoot and kill a couple of deer, not cost effective.

That being said, spending time in the outdoors with family and friends and watching your accomplished and successful habitat improvements and food plots that are feeding and housing several deer and lots of trail photos, NOW...that is priceless and loads of fun and that's why I do it.

Sorry to jump off track,

Friggs
Edited by Friggs, Dec 13 2014, 02:53 PM.
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AWP can handle up to -10F ?

I think your data is referencing an article where AWP or 4010 are grown in southern states?

They referenced 10F not -10F. As well we need to give advice on growth rates tested where people who are asking, are growing them.
Donny7, where are you growing?
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Donnie7
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Hi guys really enjoy learning all this stuff as it is pretty new to me and the other guys in camp really don't seem to be trying to learn as much!

I am located in the Ottawa Valley, just outside of Renfrew.

Thanks again

Donnie
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Dec 16 2014, 01:55 PM
AWP can handle up to -10F ?

I think your data is referencing an article where AWP or 4010 are grown in southern states?

They referenced 10F not -10F. As well we need to give advice on growth rates tested where people who are asking, are growing them.
Donny7, where are you growing?
Your right I meant -12C or 10F.
AWP and winter legumes are grown all over the world including Canada such as Alberta, Saskatchewan which can be colder than central Ontario. Some of the newer varieties of winter peas were developed in Ontario and Western Canada.

What do you mean about growth rates ?

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