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how much is to much
Topic Started: Oct 18 2010, 05:25 PM (982 Views)
SweetDaddy
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Was on another form and some guys was saying his group of 8 got 2 cows and 3 caves I asked him if he thinks that maybe they could have let some go foe years to come.Not sure if I was rite or not saying this what do you guys think.He said to that his group had 2 bull tags but the guys with the tags did not show up.show I geuss if they did they would have had 7 moose for 10 guys .I asked him how much is to much for that many guys .I know they worked hard for the and he said other years they got nothingut still burns my but a bit
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its always brought up about some groups that get their animals, i guess the easy way to decide if they got too many animals is if they shot more than the tags they have. If we had any belief that the MNR knew what they were doing with the moose herd then they hand out as many tags as they think there are a sustainable herd.
For those groups that over harvest the area they hunt it will only take a few years before they arent seeing anything

Funny though, we dont ask the same questions about people getting their limits of grouse or where an outfitter takes too many bears of deer. Read somewhere in here where the Kenora area has camps that run 50+ hunters a season, figure that 20 camps in the area, bring in 50 hunters each. How long before the deer herd starts to decrease?

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You are absolutly right, the moose, deer and bear can not sustain that much pressure.
It's unbelievable :crazy:
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Spent, I don't know where you are from but our bear "herd" could easily accomodate those kinds of numbers!!

As for the moose hunters, I think that along with the determination that they have tags for all they shot the other most important factor for me is if they eat all of the moose or end up throwing it away in a year because it is all freezer burned. I know a number of people who eat wild game all year long and very little store bought meat, if thats the case I say more power to them.

If they eat it all then I think that they are then a part of the approx. 25% of moose hunters who are successful in any given year and next year may be a different story.

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So far our group, cow and calf hung. We still have a bull tag and by the time we share our meat, we will need more next year.

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Do I sense some jealousy....!!!! You have no argument my friend...!!! All hunters participate as part of the entire tag allocation system, whether they are indicviduals who hunt in a group or groups of themselves. You have no idea what each member of the group does with his share of the meat. And it ain't your business...!!! but their own...!!! :cheers:
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I agree with those who have said that too much is one more than the number of tags held by the group.

Yes it may seem excessive but again, as others have said, the effects of this kind of harvest rate will be felt in the years to come.

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The MNR. know what they're doing when they hand out all the tags :coffee:
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If a group has x amount of tags, the tag alowcators feel thats how many Moose will be taken. So whats the problem?

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I used to hunt an area North of Jellicoe, which I worked. A large camp split one year and then again another year, there was around 16 guys from one town down south hunting a small area. plus our group of 4. The area itself doesn't have high moose numbers and could not sustain numerous adult moose been taken year after year. In the fourth year alone the group of 16 had taken 7 adult moose and one calf. We got 1 bull. That winter you could see that the moose population took a major hit. I didn't see the moose numbers I usually did and the next two years I didn't even see a calf or track (other factors could be at play). We started hunting another area for the 5 year but the areas pressure still remained high (till the 6 th). I am not sure how many moose per sq. km the area intially had but from our first year to the last year I worked there you could see the difference. My point is that there are not a hell of alot of moose per sq. km and if you plan on hunting an area (cut over) year after year its up to your group to manage it on your own. If you want it to remain productive for your group in that area. On a positive note I was up in that area this year fishing and the large cuts are to thick for some of the rifle gangs now and I see that the moose herd in that area is on the rebound :cheers: I am even thinking of going back archery hunting up there :archer:
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How can a group of Moose hunters manage a certain area when it's open to the public (crown land) New logging cuts are daedly when it comes to moose hunting, until the brush grows up amd then if you dead one of the post here there is a pile of road hunters. :run!!:

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How can a group of Moose hunters manage a certain area when it's open to the public (crown land)

I know of a couple groups that have been hunting areas for years that have been doing this. The areas are away from from the main rds (tough access areas) and one spot is a trail system built through the bush to different ponds. My main point is that if your hunting party wants to hunt an area year after year and remain succesful. They shouldn't try to wipe out every moose in that area and if they do don't expect to have the same success as years past(areas with higher moose densities can sustain more pressure). Also don't bring 16 of your buddies the next year because the area is loaded with moose. Keep good areas top secret :pleasanttry:
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My main point is that if your hunting party wants to hunt an area year after year and remain succesful. They shouldn't try to wipe out every moose in that area and if they do don't expect to have the same success as years past(areas with higher moose densities can sustain more pressure). Also don't bring 16 of your buddies the next year because the area is loaded with moose. Keep good areas top secret

Can't argue with that.

Definitely keep good areas to yourself, and for more reasons than what has been stated above.
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IN our camp we will only harvest one mature animal or calf, if there is an chance to take two calves is there it really depends on their size. The camp consists of 6 members in total.

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I will just say this we shoot what ever tags we get. If we get two we would shoot two. If we got three we would try and shoot three.
The issues to me if there is an over harvest and numbers are dropping. If the ministry had one clue they would take this into consideration when handing out tags. Maybe they do but likely not in the numbers thy should..
I eat every piece mostly at he 3D tournaments I attend .. If any one on here goes to them and have sampled the moose they know this is no BS.
Besides eating the moose I pump about $500 a year to local Sausage and Jerky makers.
If they would give us Moose tags for area 47 or 49 we would shoot everyone we see.. There seems to be more Moose now at our Deer camp the Deer.
Can we draw a tg no way!!
So if you got the tags shoot the moose. JMO. :cheers:
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I here you there we hunt 47 to.we got are first tag in four years this year.boys are up now I had to stay home do to sickness.and yes alot of moose and no deer
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Just my opinion ,but if you are looking around for someone to give your wild game to so you can empty your freezer prior to moose or deer season you are probably taking more than you need regardless of how many tags your group may recieve in the draw.
Personally I hunt every year but take a deer every 2 tears since the wife won't eat it and the kids don't have the big appetites yet. No doubt this may change as the kids get older and if so I will won't have to "Trophy Hunt " every 2'nd year.

Last year was a troph buck only season and I'm lucky I didn't get one as my freezer quit working and I lost what was left of my deer and a few grouse, ducks etc.
If I had taken another deer it would also have been ruined.

This year the deer will definitely have something to worry about.

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Oct 20 2010, 04:47 PM
I will just say this we shoot what ever tags we get. If we get two we would shoot two. If we got three we would try and shoot three.
The issues to me if there is an over harvest and numbers are dropping. If the ministry had one clue they would take this into consideration when handing out tags. Maybe they do but likely not in the numbers thy should..
I eat every piece mostly at he 3D tournaments I attend .. If any one on here goes to them and have sampled the moose they know this is no BS.
Besides eating the moose I pump about $500 a year to local Sausage and Jerky makers.
If they would give us Moose tags for area 47 or 49 we would shoot everyone we see.. There seems to be more Moose now at our Deer camp the Deer.
Can we draw a tg no way!!
So if you got the tags shoot the moose. JMO. :cheers:

I like how this man thinks.......... :cheers:
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Lots of moose in ontario, the tag system is a joke. We do the same, we try to shoot every tag and trust me, no meat goes to waste.
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I hunted in three different wmu's this year,3 weeks of bow with two diff. groups and another trip north for rifle. I was part of 7 moose being harvested 3 bulls ,1 cow and 3 calves, split that 15 ways and I don't have too much moose meat in my freezer. You have to look at the big pic. I share with family and friends deer & moose don't make it to the next season in my house. Leave the beef for the none hunters. Dennis
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Oct 20 2010, 04:47 PM
I will just say this we shoot what ever tags we get. If we get two we would shoot two. If we got three we would try and shoot three.
The issues to me if there is an over harvest and numbers are dropping. If the ministry had one clue they would take this into consideration when handing out tags. Maybe they do but likely not in the numbers thy should..
I  eat every piece mostly at he 3D tournaments I attend .. If any one on here goes to them and have sampled the moose they know this is no BS.
Besides eating the moose I pump about $500 a year to local Sausage and Jerky makers.
If they would give us Moose tags for area 47 or 49 we would shoot everyone we see.. There seems to be more Moose now at our Deer camp the Deer.
Can we draw a tg no way!!
So if you got the tags shoot the moose. JMO. :cheers:

I like how this man thinks.......... :cheers:

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we got 5 moose this year between 16 guys. We seen 14 moose that week, passed on 4 other cows,4 calves and two small bulls. We got extremely lucky with tags so we took full advantage. Next year we will likely only get one tag so we will try to use it and take maybe one calf.


we could of shot all the calves we seen but we know it will hurt the population in the years to come so we let them be.


there is bigger problems than people filling the tags they receive. Its the poacher assholes that take moose each year illegally, or shoot moose before they even know what it was then leave it to spoil. It makes my blood boil.
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