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| moose left to rot; poachers or just poor shots | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 27 2011, 06:35 PM (892 Views) | |
larrymcbuck
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Feb 27 2011, 06:35 PM Post #1 |
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In deer season 2009 we encountered the MNR warden who stopped to check out our bear , he had a huge cow moose in the back of his big white rig. We were hunting in 58 WMU. The moose had been shot (poached) in deer season opening day, a poor shot I am told as the moose walked out and died on the gravel forestry access road. Many hunters travelling the access road stopped and contacted mnr. Im told the hunter turned himself in. I wonder if he would have done that if the moose had dropped in its tracks? We have a growing moose herd in this typical deer range or southern ontario, but this was a waste. I am glad the mnr gave the meat to a food bank and had it all buthcered up etc. Today in this age we still have guys think they can pop a moose out of season and get away with it. I hear its rampant up north many wasted moose found last few seasons. I hope its not hunters trying to crack a round off at a very long range and just messing up or not wanting to walk a couple hundred yards and confirm a blood trail. Maybe its just the temptation to try and drop one when this whole tag allocation thing drags on each year. LarryMcbuck |
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dobber
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Feb 27 2011, 09:16 PM Post #2 |
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same thing is happening with Elk as well, some people just shouldnt be allowed to be out with a gun. If you dont see what your shooting, its simple, you dont shoot |
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condescending twat Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant | |
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Feb 27 2011, 10:16 PM Post #3 |
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I think it happen more then we think. People shooting over 300 yrds at a Moose and if it didn't fall they think they missed. and they have never ever even practice at that distance... |
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| whitetailweasel | Feb 28 2011, 10:43 AM Post #4 |
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Bad enough to try long shots without the proper practice,what really bothers me is that there is so many people that don't follow up on the shot. I hear far to often the words, (probably didn't hit it anyways) . Prime example,last week one of my land owners called me to tell me he just found a huge buck 20 yards from one of my stands. I now have the 160+buck,the same buck on the last day of the shotgun hunt 6, 8, maybe 10 guys lobbed shots at him running across the field. These's are the things that drive me crazy,we all make mistakes and not every shot is perfect,things happen in the real world, but we need to do everything in our power to find the game,from grouse to moose that is our responsibility as hunters. Dennis |
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LoneWolf
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Feb 28 2011, 10:59 AM Post #5 |
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You got that right!
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| Renegade | Feb 28 2011, 11:20 AM Post #6 |
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Well said. |
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BigUgly
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Mar 1 2011, 06:54 PM Post #7 |
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I use to hunt with some guys who thought a shotgun was some form of mortar, always amazed me how they would shot over 100y no sights, no scope. I'd ask how they would aim, response I adjust by where slug hit dirt. I stopped hunting with those guys....lol One property I hunted I found 4 carcasses in two years after muzzle loader season and it was obvious they had been hit by a gun of some sort, could have been left over from shotgun hunt too. I've tracked deer through some pretty serious crap and will admit I've even trespassed following a deer but I took the risk to find the deer. And it's not just gun hunters. Years ago I had a poperty that was shared among four different groups during archery season. One day my Dad and I meet with a couple of them at their truck and they talked about one they had shot but couldn't find after a whole 45 minutes of looking. I asked them too show me, two hours later we fouund a very dead deer. |
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Take a kid hunting...you'll need someone to drag it when you get older! They are our future. | |
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| fjj243 | Mar 2 2011, 07:38 AM Post #8 |
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I agree some of these moose were shot as mentioned but some moose are just shot because of the way the moose tag system is working. In our WMU a bull was shot and left lying on the bush road in an open area and another I heard from a CO was shot and left on the shoulder of Hwy 144. Many more moose can and probably have been shot and left to rot in remote areas whether it was a mistake or just a disgruntled hunter. Most of the ones left to be found are probably left there so the MNR finds them. Why does a dead end bush road with no forestery or mining operation have heavy vehicle traffic in remote areas in the middle of the night during moose season? |
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Bocephus_86
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Mar 2 2011, 08:19 AM Post #9 |
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Sadly, I think that you may be right. I was just reading in OOOD the other day about 18 moose that MNR had found dead across 6 WMU's, which were probably disgruntled hunters when you get that many found.....I don't think honest hunters would make that many mistakes knowing there is only one tag in camp.
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BigUgly
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Mar 2 2011, 08:31 AM Post #10 |
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And that disgruntled hunter is no longer a hunter, they are now a poacher. We all dislike how the moose herd is being managed by MNR but shooting one and leaving it to rot will certainly not help the herd either. Not too mention it's just plain stupid, immoral, and unethical. There is no excuse for knowingly shooting and leaving an animal. Sure as every hunter will have happen you will loose some game but only after a real honest effort. I would hate to think a "honest hunter" would shoot one on purpose. |
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Take a kid hunting...you'll need someone to drag it when you get older! They are our future. | |
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Obi-wanShinobi
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Mar 2 2011, 03:50 PM Post #11 |
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That's just sad. My group has given up on moose hunting in Ontario. |
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| whitetailweasel | Mar 2 2011, 04:33 PM Post #12 |
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Using the tag system as an excuse to shoot moose and leave them to rot ,makes me sick. The system is what it is and people going out and killing moose and leaving them to rot are poachers not hunters, lets get that clear. There are ways to make a difference in this world, and killing game for the sake of killing, isn't one of them. There is NO room in the hunting community for people like that. |
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| chevychris | Mar 18 2011, 08:52 PM Post #13 |
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I hunted deer one year with a family of "hunters" that if the deer didn't drop they would say the guy missed and would leave. I argued up and down that we had to at least spend an hour searching for sign or the deer but they would get mad at me and say "we're getting in the truck and leaving, do you want a ride or we will leave you here and we won't be back?" I know of at least 2 deer that would have been found dead if the group had looked for them, one a huge old buck that was hit hard 3 times by the grandpa and crossed the road into private property. I left disgusted after 2 days and didn't hunt with them again. |
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LoneWolf
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Mar 18 2011, 11:26 PM Post #14 |
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Can't blame you for packing up and leaving that gang of yahoos. Them are the kind of people who give the ethical hunters bad raps. |
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| Big Game Hunter | Apr 12 2011, 12:12 AM Post #15 |
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I've seen first hand the poachers' handiwork. A moose shot and tracked to beside a small dead end logging road. We followed the ravens to the dead animal. There was also a young eagle feeding with mom & dad watching nearby. We figured it had only been there for a day. These guys were so bold, they used fluorescent tape to mark the blood trail to the moose, then used a knife to cut a few pieces of meat off and left the rest behind. We had our suspicions about the group responsible and let the MNR know what we found. Not sure if anyone was ever charged. On the way home from this trip, we were stopped at an MNR checkpoint. A calf was confiscated for not having a tag on it. Also a set of antlers with no tag & no moose attached. They shot the bull with no tag for it & cut off the antlers to show off at home. This was only in the few hours before we passed through. How many other illegally shot animals got by the checkpoint by without being checked ? What about the kills that are never found ? It happens a lot more than you would think. |
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