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Topic Started: Oct 1 2011, 03:54 PM (1,219 Views)
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using some real life issues and some made up ones, but seriously looking for input as to what problems we all face and how or if there is anyway to fix it.

You have an area that you have hunted for 4 - 5 years and for the first time you see a group come in that claim to have been hunting there for 10+ years. Some of the cuts you know for a fact are only 5 years old, and access to that water system wasnt there. While at the camp you discuss with other hunters that are in different groups and make sure your not hunting the same cuts or lakes. Even offer some new areas that you are aware of that your not planning on hunting. A new group of hunters comes into camp and they arent so willing to discuss where they are hunting, and it becomes obvious they dont care where you are hunting. In this example there are 10 people who bring up 2 - 3 ladder stands each and put them all out on each accessable cut and water system. They walk or drive past your truck where you have set up and throw up a stand and hunt it, calling over your calls. They drop off one hunter and drive to the next cut and drop off another, still maintaining the 5km rule as per the game warden to the tag holder.

This is all crown land that everyone has a right to hunt, i realize that but what kind of person hunts like this and even with discussion dont care about any of the other hunters that arent in their group
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If you find a solution, let me know. Been dealing with these type of @#$holes since I started hunting. The only you can do is educate your kids or any buddies that you introduce to hunting. I've long thought they should have a portion of the Hunter Safety program dedicated to courtesy.
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It's becoming like common courtesy....not too common at all!
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That's a rough one, I love the country you are talking about and was planning on going next year. Still might I will have to talk with Quickshot, might be time to move along or start taking canoe and go across some lakes.

Take a kid hunting...you'll need someone to drag it when you get older! They are our future.
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Well, I know of 3 groups that are not returning to that camp because of that screw-up crew. Four groups if you include the group I had last week. And five groups, with my group included. At least I know I'm not going to be returning. The new owner of the resort doesn't have the backbone to talk to that group like he was supposed to after some complaints regarding this group. And yes, they are hunting in 21A as well as 19. They don't care if you've been there 4-5 days before the opener and/or had been hunting areas all week. Once they get in there on Thursday of the first week, they start setting up stands 100 yards away and plaster "Hunt in Progress" signs where other groups already have a canoe, stands and /or chairs set up and hunting them areas. They will set up their stands and staple signs up even if they know someone is in there trying to get something going.

Too much crap like that going on too often there with them guys. Next year, I'm going to another resort/camp and hunting elsewhere... somewhere. Time to move on.
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Good luck wherever you go Loney. I think it's time we all move on. Too bad idiots have to ruin it, hope you had some enjoyment.

Take a kid hunting...you'll need someone to drag it when you get older! They are our future.
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It was going good until the Thursday afternoon of opening week. It became a fricken nightmare from there on in, for everyone staying at that resort. Has been since last season, when they started coming up and pulling their dirty greasy stunts. Two years of that crap is more than enough for me. Talk about a frustrating bunch of clowns. Same crap, different year. Only one spot they haven't moved in on.... YET. I could see them in there next year, now that they've seen our trucks and ATVs parked there.
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this sounds like a nice place for me to go grouse hunting next year...ive got lots of buddies that i can bring with me...at first light we could practice skeet shooting...then throw some muskox bug spray on and march all over those cuts...and fish walleyes on that chain of lakes your talking about as i drag an aluminum boat across those cuts...sounds like a great trip...let me know where you guys are hunting so i dont bother you...i gotta me these other guys..

I showed a buddy once a nice walleye hole close to town...well chatty cathy decided to talk and other people started showing up...so i went back ice fishing and when he hooked on a nice 5 lb walleye an was ready to come up the hole...i sniped his line...then said...man that sucks when someone ruins your trip like that.

id find their stands and throw my hockey bag around it...they would be sitting there for days wondering where the moose went. :cheers:
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Oct 1 2011, 11:49 PM
this sounds like a nice place for me to go grouse hunting next year...ive got lots of buddies that i can bring with me...at first light we could practice skeet shooting...then throw some muskox bug spray on and march all over those cuts...and fish walleyes on that chain of lakes your talking about as i drag an aluminum boat across those cuts...sounds like a great trip...let me know where you guys are hunting so i dont bother you...i gotta me these other guys..

I showed a buddy once a nice walleye hole close to town...well chatty cathy decided to talk and other people started showing up...so i went back ice fishing and when he hooked on a nice 5 lb walleye an was ready to come up the hole...i sniped his line...then said...man that sucks when someone ruins your trip like that.

id find their stands and throw my hockey bag around it...they would be sitting there for days wondering where the moose went. :cheers:

That sounds like fun. I almost quit the sport a few years ago as I was getting disheartened with all the crap going on, I blame part of it on the Bone porn on TV and the up bringing of people which includes what is often refered to as bullying tactics. If it wasn't such a waste of my time I would love to go up there just to still hunt for moose all day long. Go up for two weeks and pick a different spot every day, and just walk the edge sof the cuts all day long, I usually have to have a moment once or twice a day, after which I could kinda move around with a nice long stick, oh is that a tree stand....lol Again it's really too bad and yes I'm another guy who will never go to Wild Goose again and I will certainly not recommend it to anyone.

Take a kid hunting...you'll need someone to drag it when you get older! They are our future.
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We hunted and new area this year and have never hunted there before. When we started in the rd system there was a camp. It was just after dark so we stop to talk. I inquired about where they where hunting. The guy we where talking to told us that there was people everywhere and the three of them where covering all available areas on the 28 km rd. He told us that he had hunt this areas for 10 yrs.. So I asked him about some new winter cuts and rightways that where just built. He was hunting there too. I asked about the old cuts that he laid claimed he owned..he was hunting there too. There was enough room back there for at least 4 or 5 groups. I told him we where just talking to him out of courtsey and did want to bump heads. He asked what we do for a living and how we found about the area.. I told what does that matter and have a good hunt. I then told him where we where going to go.. He told us to watch ourselves...... I told him he was more the welcome to come pay us a vist..... After all that BS. We never saw another person the whole time. We where better off not even stopping
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which resort were you talking about? by your description I think I may know the place. the same kind of stuff happened to our group in the past in area 19.
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Wow to bad about the stupids, we had that problem the first year we went there in the third week, all the gun hunters showed up on the Thursday and started sighting in and running the quads all over. If you have tried talking and they are unwilling to cooperate and the camp owner won't do anything what can you do? As I see it you have two choices, we all stop going to the camp and give the stupids their way or maybe a collaboration of several groups to take over the area and force them out would work, lots of work to set up but after all of the time invested into the area it could be worth the effort.

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We had the same happen to us years ago. We blocked the path with our bikes and they just drove around them and set up 100 yrds and each side of me. Really pissed them off when I shot a bull 30 yrds infront of me.
The worst was I told them about the new cut and they could have after we filled our tag.
Next morning mnr was at our camp and asked if we were blocking the path. Told them we were. He said we weren't alound to. I said your right but they were going across the private land we had permission for to get to it. .... Long story short. They screwed them selves. Mnr told them they couldn't go back to cut because they didn't have permission to cross the private land.
Never had a prob again lol
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Wow doesn't sound like any fun to me. This is the reason I now hunt the last 2 weeks of the rifle season in December. Want to try the bow hunt but I see now that I will buy myself a nice prospector tent and go on my own and stay clear of the bigger resorts.
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People actually put up "hunt in progress" signs??
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yup they do, we have put them up as well before, especially when we park at the main road and walk to the back end of the cut, helps a little to those hunters who show some decency to others.
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WOW. Sounds like a disaster. You look forward to going on this hunt all year and this happens. That sucks. "MOST" hunters i know would give you the shirt off there back, bend over backwards for you and go out of there way to help a fellow hunter out. HArd to believe these people call themselves hunters. and we have to share the bush with them.
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That's why I have resorted to bow hunting. Get in and get r done BEFORE the orange army show up.
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Oct 12 2011, 05:54 PM
That's why I have resorted to bow hunting. Get in and get r done BEFORE the orange army show up.

this was during the bow hunt, least i know it will happen during the gun hunt, but never thought we would go through it with fellow bow hunters
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We ran into these clowns a few years ago or at least you described them to a tee. It was so annoying that we don't ever plan on hunting in that area again even though we saw moose. Those guys were lucky that their ATV's did not meet an untimely death. I don't mind others hunting the same area but the least you could do is stop to say hi. I talk to everyone that I come across when I am in the bush if for nothing else but to know where you are hunting so I can avoid your area.
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That's one of the reasons I bought a Bird dog this year and plan to concentrate on grouse, woodcock and pheasant in the next few years. Don't get me wrong I still will hunt deer during the rifle hunt at camp but I can see the annual trek out west for moose ending for me . Ironically we now have a pretty decent setup and have taken 2 moose this year but I see more people every season. Any spot is good for a few seasons then people move in. You likely have done it to another group yourselves if you move around semi regularly. If there is a road in then you're kidding yourself if you think you "disscovered it first".
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The other thing is crown land belongs to everybody. You may have decided to hunt an area one year and not see too many others but in reality you have no idea how many groups also use the area even if they didn't last year during the particular week you are there. My group for a while only went for moose every 2-3 years. With our flawed tag system I know many groups who do the same. So if they aren't in the bush one season they will likely be the next one. Then what? Nobody can "claim" any area and expect others to stay out. The only way to get that kind of ownership is to buy property and hunt it and post it to keep others out.
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terry thats a bit of a different spin on it, all the hunters that we talked to knew who was where, we all know who the land belongs to and no one expected anyone to stay out of any area. But out of mutual respect we discussed and didnt bump into each other. The other group didnt want to discuss, didnt mind bumping anyone and showed absolutly no mutual respect.
The resort owner is the one i feel bad for in a way, he has no control over where people hunt. But due to him not discussing with anyone, and his only answer is, find somewhere else to hunt.
So we are
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Don't limit yourself to Ontario. The Quebec border is close and the tag system there is quite workable. You will pay more for a tag but save it on gasoline if you are starting from central or Eastern Ontario.
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Can't see how the resort owner has anything to do with it, his buisness is the bed you slept in or the spot you parked your camper, Im sure he is busy enough without being expected to play referee for the hunters.
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Actually last year when we talked to him about it he was willing to lend us his tree stands so we had the stands up first to avoid this problem. But all water under the bridge now i guess, he lost 4 or 5 groups due to the actions of that one group that stays there.
Biggest issue in this original thread though was just the lack of respect that one group gave to 3 other groups that were there that week, us being one of them groups.
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Can't see how the resort owner has anything to do with it, his buisness is the bed you slept in or the spot you parked your camper, Im sure he is busy enough without being expected to play referee for the hunters.


I agree with you Rob. I am not sure of the details of what happened but it sure sounds like an aggresive and disrespectful group of hunters Mike and Ian and others have had to deal with. I seen the same thing near Marathon. A group of morons laid claim to a 20 km road system for years turning away hunters with threats and harrasment. I don't know the answer though.

I don't think that stands set up in crown automatically awards sole possesion of that section of forest. If I seen a stand in the middle of nowhere on crown land I would check out the view. One time years ago when I was first deer hunting I climbed up into a home made wooden stand and almost fell 20 feet to the ground. I learned something that day. :coffee:
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Ontario is by far far the worst province for moose hunting and deer hunting etiquette. I have hunted most provinces and live in northern Ontario now and only bow hunt now. I was amazed the first year I saw the moose caravans arriving in the bush in northern ontario and they continue. I have met great groups of hunters and pure a$$hole groups.

It is really quite unfortunate. Last weekend I was working in the bush up the 801. I was at the side of the road, putting on my steel toed boots, blaze orange work vest, gps and loading up with flagging tape and water for my days work (obviously not hunting). My truck parked off the 801, on a side road in the ditch so others could go by it as I knew it was moose season offcourse.

Two quads and an argo pull up, do not ask what I am doing but demand that i leave as they were here yesterday. I listen and say nothing and lace up my boots on my tailgate as I do every weekend. Then one guy says hey ashole you deaf. I continue to tie my boots, assuming that since I am not an asshole or deaf they must be talking amongs each other.

Well another hey asshole comment and I took the high road. I said I work up here, I walk these woods and drive these roads all the time, all year round. My kids are at home 250 km away, this is my part time job i do it because I love working outside, and i commute out here every weekend. I commute up here every weekend because I love it and to help my family. Excuse me but who is the asshole?

Many apologies from the group and I gave the group a lesson on hunting etiquette in Northern Ontario. You know what they were for the most part ok folks, they just had no idea about the culture or etiquette of moose hunting.

I know all your frustrations and feel it, trust me, but for those that are aware try talking to a group, if they are receptive you made some friends if not, you know who to stay away from.

Or do what I do, hike into a river, with a canoe, backpack and tent with bow in hand and go!

Good luck and safe hunting to all in NWO 2011.
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I was also hunting the second week with Mike and these a$$es. Mike was up there days before these guys showed up had his stand up on one of the best chain of lakes in the area and these guys moved in put up stands posted signs and claimed the whole area dropping off guys at all four of the lakes even if our vehicles were there. There was so much calling etc in this 5 mile area the moose wisend up and shut down. The way I always looked at it was if you want to claim a area you better have a camp set up in that area than its yours. Other than that its first come first serve so get up early. I would like to see these guys come strolling thru a gun hunters camp and tell them they are staying at a camp 10 miles away and this is there area since the hunted there for years. The area is really good and was thinking the tent route for archery but i dont think it would help with these guys.
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Oct 15 2011, 06:11 AM
I was also hunting the second week with Mike and these a$$es. Mike was up there days before these guys showed up had his stand up on one of the best chain of lakes in the area and these guys moved in put up stands posted signs and claimed the whole area dropping off guys at all four of the lakes even if our vehicles were there. There was so much calling etc in this 5 mile area the moose wisend up and shut down. The way I always looked at it was if you want to claim a area you better have a camp set up in that area than its yours. Other than that its first come first serve so get up early. I would like to see these guys come strolling thru a gun hunters camp and tell them they are staying at a camp 10 miles away and this is there area since the hunted there for years. The area is really good and was thinking the tent route for archery but i dont think it would help with these guys.

Total idiots and unfortunately its the same everywhere. I can't stand it anymore.
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You can't fix stupid so good luck educating most of them. As far as claiming an area to hunt its first come first served. If we can determine that someone else will be in an area the next morning ,and they were obviously scouting there first(stands in place,canoe at the landing etc.) we will let them be. However if its not obvious then first come first served . Pretty much every group that arrives on Thursday night or Friday before the opener should be prepared to work around others that have been there longer regardless of where you hunted last year.That means if there are three trucks parked at the entrance to a cut GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. if you have nowhere else to go then you better get a good map and find the less obvious spots or get up earlier.

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just think how the numbers of hunters has droped,you would never have the proplems we do now if the old boys were still around.alot of the younger generation has no respect for the way things were .the best way is to group together and buy a nice piece but even a good group wont get along.but you can purchase a nice parcel let say in engelheart for 40,000 for 180 aches.divide between 10 to 12 guys and thats not bad at all.
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the exact reason i bought some land for deer hunting, no more worries about people going where they dont belong
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Oct 18 2011, 05:51 PM
the exact reason i bought some land for deer hunting, no more worries about people going where they dont belong

Same here.
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You can't fix stupid so good luck educating most of them. As far as claiming an area to hunt its first come first served. If we can determine that someone else will be in an area the next morning ,and they were obviously scouting there first(stands in place,canoe at the landing etc.) we will let them be. However if its not obvious then first come first served . Pretty much every group that arrives on Thursday night or Friday before the opener should be prepared to work around others that have been there longer regardless of where you hunted last year.That means if there are three trucks parked at the entrance to a cut GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. if you have nowhere else to go then you better get a good map and find the less obvious spots or get up earlier.

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Yes, I agree 100% with the quote above. At least it's my way of thinking.

I also agree that the resort owner doesn't have anything to do with it, but in the end, it will have everything to do with hurting his pocket. As stated in one of the replies, his words were "I guess you'll have to find some place else to hunt". Well, that's what we're doing, and we're not the only ones who are going that route. In all, that makes 27 of us, who were staying at that resort on the first and second week of the archery season, who will not be returning to this resort because of this group of 9 or 10 guys from North Bay. Like I said, it's only gonna hurt the resort owner in the end.

And yeah, I realize that crownland is crownland and that it belongs to everbody and everybody can use it. But when I see that someone is obviously already hunting an area, I respect that someone else is already hunting there and leave the area without disrupting their hunt. It's the right thing to do. But I guess not everyone has the decency and is considerate that way. Furthermore, I'm normally up there for over 3 weeks during the archery season and 4 days before the opener, and this group of guys weren't hunting these areas before they moved in on these spots last year. So, I know for a fact that they were not hunting these areas. Anyways, what ever happened to first come, first served??? I guess it doesn't matter to some people. It don't matter if you're a LEO, a CO or a judge, for that matter. It still doesn't give you the right to move in, power trip and screw-up anyone's hunt.
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