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| mnr seize calf | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 22 2011, 04:55 PM (939 Views) | |
callaway dan
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Oct 22 2011, 04:55 PM Post #1 |
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a local guy here shot a calf from the hwy coming into town and while they were pulling it out the mnr happen to go by.after investigation they seize the calf because the shooter admit of shooting from the road.those anybody know what would be the charge for that? |
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| Renegade | Oct 22 2011, 05:22 PM Post #2 |
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I'm not sure what the fine is, that's too bad. The rules are the rules and that rule should be well known by now. Shooting from highways is not legal anywhere and in most areas any maintained road is off limits for hunting. It is up to the hunter to know and understand the regulations. |
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| bowhunt4life | Oct 22 2011, 05:38 PM Post #3 |
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Discharging a firearm from a travelled roadway. They tend to frown on that. |
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Bad Dog
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Oct 22 2011, 07:52 PM Post #4 |
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It's tempting sure! but you have to know it's not legal! Shooting from a highway? really it should feel wrong as soon as you think about stepping out and loading your firearm on the side of the highway
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go-fer
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Oct 23 2011, 08:52 AM Post #5 |
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They just changed the rules here in Unit 10 and I hope they have some enforcement out as road hunting is the norm around here. Can't have a loaded gun on the roads anymore. |
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Gibby
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Oct 23 2011, 09:22 AM Post #6 |
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Anyone know what the MNR does with all the confiscated Animals (Moose/Deer/Bear/Ducks/Geese/Fish etc)? |
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chessy
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Oct 23 2011, 09:26 AM Post #7 |
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from what the warden told us they butcher them and freeze them till court when they win they are donated to shelters in the areas . |
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smitty
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Oct 23 2011, 10:13 AM Post #8 |
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i think the law states your vehicle must come to a complete stop before shooting. on that note, my dad and myself were stopped by the co's this week, real nice guy too. its too bad they have to deal with this type of shat, and i can imagine the stuff they come across. just follow the laws people.
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callaway dan
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Oct 23 2011, 10:28 AM Post #9 |
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i just found out from a mnr guy that the fine will be around 1250.00$.you dont lose your license |
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| crisop | Oct 23 2011, 03:44 PM Post #10 |
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you can shoot from beside the highway though. as long as your in the ditch your allowed to shoot should be a bigger fine and not be allowed to hunt for a few years, if you dont know the rules you should be punished |
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Whitepine
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Oct 23 2011, 08:56 PM Post #11 |
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Should be allowed to shoot from the edge of the highway as long as your shooting away from the highway, not down it or across it. Thats my thoughts, dont much care if people think otherwise. Dead highway moose saves peoples lives. |
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swampdogger
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Oct 24 2011, 04:35 PM Post #12 |
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Some hunter up by us got dinged for the same thing on a dead end logging road 3 yrs ago. I was talking to the same hunter this year and he said he went to court and beat it, now he feel's warden is picking on him, wow. |
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baydog
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Oct 24 2011, 04:56 PM Post #13 |
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Tough break, he should have stepped off to the side. |
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swampdogger
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Oct 24 2011, 05:36 PM Post #14 |
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X2 , that's what C.O. told this guy when he charged him, the hunter felt he was ok on a logging road, it's a big gray area when you read the reg's, like the same this C.O. said when he left our camp this year , and looked me in the eye and said as he was leaving, " Discretion of the officer". |
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Sam Menard
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Oct 24 2011, 06:02 PM Post #15 |
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In Southern Ontario, you can't discharge a firearm between the fences or treeline. Essentially, the whole right of way is off limits. There are 2 possible outcomes with charges: a ticket or court appearance. The choice is the officer's discretion and is normally based on the severity of the offence. Here's a link to fines for tickets by legislation: http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/ocj/en/setfines/ Unlawfully discharge firearm across right of way in prescribed area 17(1) (d)$250.00 Sam |
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Ven-Pisc-ator
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Oct 24 2011, 06:21 PM Post #16 |
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As hunters we all should know the regulations that govern this great sport. To comment on his actions: if his shot "is within eight metres from the edge of the travelled portion of the right of way", he broke the law, there is no CO discretion involved. Section 65(2) governs where you can shoot from when near a road. Here are the applicable regulations: Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997 S.O. 1997, CHAPTER 41 PART II HUNTING, TRAPPING, FISHING AND RELATED ACTIVITIES GENERAL RESTRICTIONS Loaded firearms in hunting areas 17. (1) A person who is in an area usually inhabited by wildlife or who is on the way to or from an area usually inhabited by wildlife shall not, (a) have a loaded firearm in or on a conveyance or discharge a firearm from a conveyance, except if, (i) the conveyance is a boat that is not a motorboat, or (ii) the conveyance is a motorboat and the person is hunting migratory birds in accordance with the regulations under the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada); (b), © Repealed: 2009, c. 33, Sched. 22, s. 2 (10). (d) in a part of Ontario prescribed by the regulations, have a loaded firearm in, or discharge a firearm in or across, a right of way for public vehicular traffic; or (e) in a part of Ontario to which clause (d) does not apply, discharge a firearm in or across the travelled portion of a right of way for public vehicular traffic. 1997, c. 41, s. 17 (1); 2009, c. 33, Sched. 22, s. 2 (10). ONTARIO REGULATION 665/98 HUNTING PART XI HUNTING METHODS AND FIREARM RESTRICTIONS 63. (1) The geographic areas described in Schedule 1 to Part 8 of Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions) made under the Act are prescribed for the purpose of clause 17 (1) (d) of the Act as parts of Ontario in which it is prohibited to have a loaded firearm in, or discharge a firearm in or across, a right of way for public vehicular traffic. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 17. (2) The geographic areas described in Schedule 2 to Part 8 of Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions) made under the Act are prescribed for the purpose of clause 17 (1) (d) of the Act as parts of Ontario in which it is prohibited, (a) to discharge a firearm in or across a right of way for public vehicular traffic at any time; and (b) to have a loaded firearm in a right of way for public vehicular traffic during any open season for deer or elk in the geographic areas that is not a season when only bows may be used to hunt deer or elk. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 17; O. Reg. 529/10, s. 8. (3) If a right of way is only maintained on a seasonal basis, this section only applies during the period when the right of way is maintained. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 17. 64. A person shall not, for the purpose of hunting, while in the areas described in Schedule 3 to Part 8 of Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions) made under the Act, (a) possess a firearm, unless the firearm is unloaded and encased; or (b) use a firearm. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 64; O. Reg. 54/10, s. 18. 65. (1) A person shall not possess a loaded firearm for the purpose of hunting, (a) on a right of way for public vehicular traffic; or (b) on land located between a right of way for public vehicular traffic and a fence that demarcates the boundary between the right of way and the adjoining land. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 19 (1). (2) If there is no fence, a person shall not possess a loaded firearm for the purpose of hunting in the area that is within eight metres from the edge of the travelled portion of the right of way unless the person is on privately owned property. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 65 (2). (3) This section applies only to, (a) the geographic areas described in Schedule 1 to Part 8 of Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions) made under the Act; and (b) the geographic areas described in Schedule 2 to Part 8 of Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions) made under the Act, during any open season for deer or elk in the geographic areas that is not a season when only bows may be used to hunt deer or elk. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 19 (2); O. Reg. 529/10, s. 9. (4) If a right of way is only maintained on a seasonal basis, this section only applies during the period when the right of way is maintained. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 19 (2). |
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baydog
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Oct 24 2011, 07:03 PM Post #17 |
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Thanks for posting. Like Swampdogger says it gets grey when you start talking about logging roads though. If there's snow on the ground, and you drive in, but they're not cutting in the area so it's not plowed, are you allowed to shoot from it? I would say yes, and so do some CO's.....but others don't. Is any road/trail that you can possibly get a vehicle down considered a right of way for vehicular traffic? Some CO's think so and enforce as such......... |
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Whitepine
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Oct 24 2011, 08:03 PM Post #18 |
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So its not only illegal to discharge a firearm from the road but you cant have a loaded firearm on the road.................rules are rules guys! Bet there is lots of people here that would be qualified as guilty by law. |
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baydog
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Oct 24 2011, 08:14 PM Post #19 |
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Except in this case: (3) If a right of way is only maintained on a seasonal basis, this section only applies during the period when the right of way is maintained. O. Reg. 54/10, s. 17. So, what if the right away isn't maintained at all, which is the case 90% of the time once the wood is taken out of the cuts? It's straight forward on highways,township roads, and main forestry access roads but not so much when you get into cuts etc. |
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swampdogger
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Oct 24 2011, 09:00 PM Post #20 |
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Very conveniant, you forgot to add sec. 17.(2) Unmaintained rights of way. Clause's (1) (d) and (e) do not apply to an unmaintained right of way unless the regulations provide otherwise . 1997, c, 41,s. 17 (2) OH, and also include sec. 17.(3) If you Going to preach the bible , make sure you include all the fact's, |
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on that note, my dad and myself were stopped by the co's this week, real nice guy too. its too bad they have to deal with this type of shat, and i can imagine the stuff they come across. just follow the laws people.


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