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#!#@#% Moose tags
Topic Started: Aug 7 2012, 08:30 PM (2,153 Views)
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Ok well here we go again..
I hate to start ranting again.. Has anyone got their Moose tag yet?
I just about crapped see the size of the Damn thing...
We play the stupid ministry games by buying the number of tags and transfering every year. They started this crap it's our job to beat the stupid system.
This year Jackie drew the tag yes we are tranfering it again.
They now say no transfers till August 13th. :crazy:
There is not alternate # for transfer? :omg:
There is a strip of tag a foot damn long that we have to carry with our outdoors card :crazy: :crazy:
Can you imagine what this will look like after a week of being jammed in the bottom of a pack?
Now what is the procedure for Tag transfer.? Watch this unfold My take is that now I send Jackie to Service Ontario. Oh by the way only certain ones will be doing the transfers.
She say's she wants to transfer? They now look up who the alternate is? according to them it will be the member of the group that has gone the longest? Well the three others have all been two years? So? My take again is they pull one out of their ass and say for instance it is Kevin who lives 5 hours away.
Jackie has to go home now and get Kevins info to transfer. Then she goes back to Diservice Ontario. She will have to relinquish her tag.. Make sure you get a receipt!!!Then transfer Pay probably now $20 get the transfer done then we sit on Pins and needles waiting for the tag to be mailed to the alternate..
You would think if they had half a damn brain they could save a bunch of money by putting a alternate number on the tag.. you need to transfer you phone the MNR give them your number as well as the alternate that is already on the tag and it is done no issuing another tag. If you get stopped they can take the info and see if the transfer was legit.. But that would make too much sense..
The frigging tag is a foot long and 4 inches wide.. WTF are we putting it around now a hind quarter.. I am so sick of the MNR and it Bullshit.. Makes me wanna puke..
While I am venting you think I can by a wolf tag here? Nope nada.. Have to go to a diservice Ontario center in the north one more out of the way stop.. Make sure if you want one get one before passing the last major city. As we tried to buy one a few years ago in Upsala.. Oh no you have to get them in Thunderbay..
Guess it is the old 3's they sem to do everything they can to make everything about tags and licencing as difficult as they can. WTh was wrong with a little sticker ont he back of your outdoors card? Way to easy.. Now I need 3 ziploc bags to flod my tag into 39 folds to get it smaller than a goddamn box of Tissue..
PISS MEEEE OFFF.. :crazy: :crazy: :yikes: :omg: :notworking:
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Aug 7 2012, 07:30 PM
Ok well here we go again..
I hate to start ranting again.. Has anyone got their Moose tag yet?
I just about crapped see the size of the Damn thing...
We play the stupid ministry games by buying the number of tags and transfering every year. They started this crap it's our job to beat the stupid system.
This year Jackie drew the tag yes we are tranfering it again.
They now say no transfers till August 13th. :crazy:
There is not alternate # for transfer? :omg:
There is a strip of tag a foot damn long that we have to carry with our outdoors card :crazy: :crazy:
Can you imagine what this will look like after a week of being jammed in the bottom of a pack?
Now what is the procedure for Tag transfer.? Watch this unfold My take is that now I send Jackie to Service Ontario. Oh by the way only certain ones will be doing the transfers.
She say's she wants to transfer? They now look up who the alternate is? according to them it will be the member of the group that has gone the longest? Well the three others have all been two years? So? My take again is they pull one out of their ass and say for instance it is Kevin who lives 5 hours away.
Jackie has to go home now and get Kevins info to transfer. Then she goes back to Diservice Ontario. She will have to relinquish her tag.. Make sure you get a receipt!!!Then transfer Pay probably now $20 get the transfer done then we sit on Pins and needles waiting for the tag to be mailed to the alternate..
You would think if they had half a damn brain they could save a bunch of money by putting a alternate number on the tag.. you need to transfer you phone the MNR give them your number as well as the alternate that is already on the tag and it is done no issuing another tag. If you get stopped they can take the info and see if the transfer was legit.. But that would make too much sense..
The frigging tag is a foot long and 4 inches wide.. WTF are we putting it around now a hind quarter.. I am so sick of the MNR and it Bullshit.. Makes me wanna puke..
While I am venting you think I can by a wolf tag here? Nope nada.. Have to go to a diservice Ontario center in the north one more out of the way stop.. Make sure if you want one get one before passing the last major city. As we tried to buy one a few years ago in Upsala.. Oh no you have to get them in Thunderbay..
Guess it is the old 3's they sem to do everything they can to make everything about tags and licencing as difficult as they can. WTh was wrong with a little sticker ont he back of your outdoors card? Way to easy.. Now I need 3 ziploc bags to flod my tag into 39 folds to get it smaller than a goddamn box of Tissue..
PISS MEEEE OFFF.. :crazy: :crazy: :yikes: :omg: :notworking:

How did you find out who the alternate was??
I cannot find it on that scroll of a tag!!!!!!
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carl you been into the wine tonite....
lol)))
And i was being sarcastic in my last post with regards to the alternate, funny how such a big piece of paper and there is no place to display the alternate applicant
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Got my monster tag today. I guess they would need a bigger envelope if they wanted to make the tag any bigger so they kept it to that size to save on postage.

Kinda silly looking.
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Lucky I had no wine or I would have been banned for misconduct here..
I am beginning to think they are in Partnership with China. How the hell do we first have our data stored offshore then we end up with some thing that should come stuck to a 50 pound bag of rice. Not something for your wallet..
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lol))) lol))) lmao..funny stuff..not laughing at you but rather with you..we go through the same issues every frigin year.
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Well glad I can at least provide some comic relief.. Come on Frank you must be sitting there waiting.. lol)))
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LOL I was thinking more along a laptop case.. LOL
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@coptordoctor.. does your wive get into alot of car accidents????
cause if you been telling here that the "tag" is foot loon she will crash lol the tag is only 2-inches by 8 1/2 .
now that i have spun your gear.. they are big. but now guys that have complained for years that the numbers (dates and times were small ) there is now NO excuse to not tag animal correctly .. i like the bigger tag so the old timers wont get stung with screwed up tags ..... and for them spending money whole different story
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coptordoctor
Aug 8 2012, 05:46 AM
Well glad I can at least provide some comic relief.. Come on Frank you must be sitting there waiting.. lol)))

Look at the postage
USA
May have come from Texas
You know the saying right
Everything is bigger and better in Texas
Hence the size if that monstrosity
Lol
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Don't like it go hunt in a different province . really nothing to complain about you got a tag
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Aug 8 2012, 04:53 PM
Don't like it go hunt in a different province . really nothing to complain about you got a tag

Touchy,Touchy. lol))) lol)))
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Why doesn't Jackie just go moose hunting and don't need the transfer?

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I got my moose tag today. I rather like the new tag. It’s only 8 1/2 inches long, not a foot long.
I think the MNR did a good job, with balancing the needs of the tax payer, by tendering out the tags to the most competitive bidder ( the US company in Tennessee ) , and redesigning a tag that makes it difficult for unscrupulous individuals to re-use it, and by addressing the concerns of us older hunters who are having a hard time seeing the notch dates and times. I was starting to have to bring my reading glasses to the field, for notching my turkey tag. The printing is large enough that a hunter will not be able to confuse between a deer tag, and moose tag.
I folded the tag in half, once, then folded it in half again, and it becomes the exact size as my Outdoors card, which needs to accompany my tag, and the whole thing fits neatly into a plastic bill fold, similar to the ones your insurance company gives you. In fact I got mine free from the MNR and it has the report a poacher TIPS hotline number on it. Talk to your local CO , he will give you one. All in all in my opinion the MNR did a great job!!
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I'm also very disappointed with the MNR. In 2008 it launched a broad review of the province moose management program. I participated in all levels of this program by filling out the surveys, stating my opinion and attending meetings. It looks like the only change that came about in 2011 was to keep encouraging very large groups and limiting consecutive tag transfers.
I'm very unhappy that non participating hunters that have no interest whatsoever in hunting and will never set foot in the bush are still allowed to apply for a tag and "play the stupid ministry game" and transfer their tag to the group. IMO They should eliminate tag transfers altogether and create a fair individual point system for tags that do not discriminate against individual hunters or smaller groups. Just my 2 cent. Good Luck everyone.
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Excellent post Norma. :allright:
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Norma
Aug 9 2012, 05:14 AM
I'm also very disappointed with the MNR. In 2008 it launched a broad review of the province moose management program. I participated in all levels of this program by filling out the surveys, stating my opinion and attending meetings. It looks like the only change that came about in 2011 was to keep encouraging very large groups and limiting consecutive tag transfers.
I'm very unhappy that non participating hunters that have no interest whatsoever in hunting and will never set foot in the bush are still allowed to apply for a tag and "play the stupid ministry game" and transfer their tag to the group. IMO They should eliminate tag transfers altogether and create a fair individual point system for tags that do not discriminate against individual hunters or smaller groups. Just my 2 cent. Good Luck everyone.
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I agree completely. Great post.
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First post on this forum!

Called MNR this AM to inquire as to who is the alternate for our group as we cannot tell by the tags. A recording answered something to the effect: "if you are calling about moose transfers, the MMR is aware of an issue identifying the alternative and is looking into it - call back after Aug 13".

I thought it was us losing our minds trying to identify the alternate but this confirms it's not possible just looking at the tags. We'll have to wait and see.

Why did they have to change a system that worked ??!!!... Grrrr
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Well I don't particularly care much how big the seal is, we drew a bull and a cow tag again this year. Worry more about finding a poductive area with lots of tags and your group will be better off for it. We drive a long way but get tags and fill them. If you insist on hunting close to home it will only get worse every year.
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Norma
Aug 9 2012, 04:14 AM
I'm also very disappointed with the MNR. In 2008 it launched a broad review of the province moose management program. I participated in all levels of this program by filling out the surveys, stating my opinion and attending meetings. It looks like the only change that came about in 2011 was to keep encouraging very large groups and limiting consecutive tag transfers.
I'm very unhappy that non participating hunters that have no interest whatsoever in hunting and will never set foot in the bush are still allowed to apply for a tag and "play the stupid ministry game" and transfer their tag to the group. IMO They should eliminate tag transfers altogether and create a fair individual point system for tags that do not discriminate against individual hunters or smaller groups. Just my 2 cent. Good Luck everyone.
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I agree 100%.
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Aug 9 2012, 07:24 AM
First post on this forum!

Called MNR this AM to inquire as to who is the alternate for our group as we cannot tell by the tags. A recording answered something to the effect: "if you are calling about moose transfers, the MMR is aware of an issue identifying the alternative and is looking into it - call back after Aug 13".

I thought it was us losing our minds trying to identify the alternate but this confirms it's not possible just looking at the tags. We'll have to wait and see.

Why did they have to change a system that worked ??!!!... Grrrr

What your going to TRANSFER Not another one.. lol))) Seems you know how to play the stupid game as well Good one you!!! for the idiots that don't be happy with your one tag every 10 years.

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If they would actually do there work like Quebec does we would have a system that works for all
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Aug 9 2012, 05:13 PM
Wolverine
Aug 9 2012, 07:24 AM
First post on this forum!

Called MNR this AM to inquire as to who is the alternate for our group as we cannot tell by the tags. A recording answered something to the effect: "if you are calling about moose transfers, the MMR is aware of an issue identifying the alternative and is looking into it - call back after Aug 13".

I thought it was us losing our minds trying to identify the alternate but this confirms it's not possible just looking at the tags. We'll have to wait and see.

Why did they have to change a system that worked ??!!!... Grrrr

What your going to TRANSFER Not another one.. lol))) Seems you know how to play the stupid game as well Good one you!!! for the idiots that don't be happy with your one tag every 10 years.

Let it be Carl...
Don't let some of these posts get to you bro
It isnt worth the time and or effort.

I'm with you Carl.
If we are offered the service of tag TRANSFERS, WHY NOT USE
IT??

We've been using that wonderful service for YEARS!
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Aug 9 2012, 05:14 PM
If they would actually do there work like Quebec does we would have a system that works for all

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EXCELLENT POST MY FRIEND :allright:
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Aug 9 2012, 09:18 AM
Norma
Aug 9 2012, 04:14 AM
I'm also very disappointed with the MNR. In 2008 it launched a broad review of the province moose management program. I participated in all levels of this program by filling out the surveys, stating my opinion and attending meetings. It looks like the only change that came about in 2011 was to keep encouraging very large groups and limiting consecutive tag transfers.
I'm very unhappy that non participating hunters that have no interest whatsoever in hunting and will never set foot in the bush are still allowed to apply for a tag and "play the  stupid ministry game" and transfer their tag to the group. IMO They should eliminate tag transfers altogether and create a fair individual point system for tags that do not discriminate against individual hunters or smaller groups. Just my 2 cent. Good Luck everyone.
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I agree 100%.

I don't , I honestly think that it is a very viable service that we should utilize when needed.
And since it was made available my Moose hunting crew has utilized it about 3x
And I PAID my $10 and the time it took me to go there and wait in line etc etc
I don't agree with all these surplus deer tags made available every year, but yet I don't bitch and complain
it is what it is
Get used to it
this HERITAGE of ours is no longer about making sense
it's about making MONEY
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I got my bull tag yesterday, wow that's a lot of paper! I wonder how many people won't bother to read the instructions and will toss out the "licence" portion? In case you haven't noticed, the whole thing has an adhesive backing - including the licence part. Be careful that the backing doesn't come off in your pack or it may get stuck on something or otherwise get wrecked.

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you got to be kidding ,that big yellow thing is or tags,how the heck im i going to get it off my bumper,even the bear tags are big.they remind me of the old way when we pin them to are backs.good post norma
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I'm also very disappointed with the MNR. In 2008 it launched a broad review of the province moose management program. I participated in all levels of this program by filling out the surveys, stating my opinion and attending meetings. It looks like the only change that came about in 2011 was to keep encouraging very large groups and limiting consecutive tag transfers.
I'm very unhappy that non participating hunters that have no interest whatsoever in hunting and will never set foot in the bush are still allowed to apply for a tag and "play the stupid ministry game" and transfer their tag to the group. IMO They should eliminate tag transfers altogether and create a fair individual point system for tags that do not discriminate against individual hunters or smaller groups. Just my 2 cent. Good Luck everyone.
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well said
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Aug 9 2012, 06:13 PM
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Aug 9 2012, 07:24 AM
First post on this forum!

Called MNR this AM to inquire as to who is the alternate for our group as we cannot tell by the tags. A recording answered something to the effect: "if you are calling about moose transfers, the MMR is aware of an issue identifying the alternative and is looking into it - call back after Aug 13".

I thought it was us losing our minds trying to identify the alternate but this confirms it's not possible just looking at the tags. We'll have to wait and see.

Why did they have to change a system that worked ??!!!... Grrrr

What your going to TRANSFER Not another one.. lol))) Seems you know how to play the stupid game as well Good one you!!! for the idiots that don't be happy with your one tag every 10 years.

Guys , relax and read my post! Sorry if I offended you or upset you with my post - I was just trying to share some info :run!!: ; You are assuming I am going to transfer the tag but I did not say that. The tag holder in our group Is definitely coming but we need to know who the alternate is just in case. We have known every other year (without need to transfer yet) but this year the tags are messed up with no serial numbers.

The fact remains that it's legal and encouraged by the MNR to apply as a group; not every group abuses the system as you think. Cheers.
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Aug 9 2012, 08:24 PM
coptordoctor
Aug 9 2012, 06:13 PM
Wolverine
Aug 9 2012, 07:24 AM
First post on this forum!

Called MNR this AM to inquire as to who is the alternate for our group as we cannot tell by the tags. A recording answered something to the effect: "if you are calling about moose transfers, the MMR is aware of an issue identifying the alternative and is looking into it - call back after Aug 13".

I thought it was us losing our minds trying to identify the alternate but this confirms it's not possible just looking at the tags. We'll have to wait and see.

Why did they have to change a system that worked ??!!!... Grrrr

What your going to TRANSFER Not another one.. lol))) Seems you know how to play the stupid game as well Good one you!!! for the idiots that don't be happy with your one tag every 10 years.

Guys , relax and read my post! Sorry if I offended you or upset you with my post - I was just trying to share some info :run!!: ; You are assuming I am going to transfer the tag but I did not say that. The tag holder in our group Is definitely coming but we need to know who the alternate is just in case. We have known every other year (without need to transfer yet) but this year the tags are messed up with no serial numbers.

The fact remains that it's legal and encouraged by the MNR to apply as a group; not every group abuses the system as you think. Cheers.

This is not about abuse.. This is about getting tags with a defunk system.
It Ok 270 they really don't get to me. If we start into Native issues then they get to me..As far as the tags with the sticky side you have to keep i contacted the ministry no reply to ask if it was legal to stick it to a piece of plain paper so save it getting stuck in my pack or to the inside of a ziploc or whatever
I also contacted them about the transfer. They have no access to the Data till the 13th. There will be an Alternate for the tag holder designated by the Ministry seems they did not get printed on the tag.. Guess that Tennesse Company was trying to cut corners to make thier low bid more competitve. Just bring back the little square sticker to the back of you Outdoors card. I can live with the large tag but that other piece is BS.. Oh and for thise that can't read the printing is so small they do make glasses or have your care giver put it on for you maybe when they are putting on your depends..after the sticker in on your outdoors card all you have to be able to read is the year 2012. Not a big deal..
One question that still remains For the guys that like the new tags. Is it still policy to tag a bear through the nose? If so good luck jamming that sheet through there..
When I lived in Alberta we used to have a Zip tie or Wire ty or Ty wrap what ever you like to call them. It had all your info on them is was weather proof and just about impossible to rip them off given the ear was not ripped right throughOnce locked they were locked. Mybe some one could pick one apart but if someone wants to transfer an Ontario tag to a second animal believe me there are guys out there can get it done as well.
We had an issue with a moose one year after draggin the moose with an ATV for about 4kms acroos a creek we nearly had the tag servered off. I hate to thingk what would have happened if that did happen and we were spot checked..
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You couldn't stick the old tag through the nose either. What has happened for the past several years is they don't give you the metal clip to put through the nose. You have to come up with something on your own.

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I just recieved my tag in the mail. Its dang near the same size as lastyear. The detachable sticky tag is actually not large at all. So I have no idea why there is any argument in regards to the big tag size. But I do not like the idea of having to keep the rest of the licence around. I carry a seperate wallet for this stuff but it was handy applying the small licence on the back of outdoors card. The new system is a step backwards I think. As far as being able to know the next transferable group member I have no clue so I can't comment.
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that's why we wrap it with a bag and duck
tape it. no more lost tags when pulling them out
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WE do the same now Road.. I just got off the phone with the Hobby farmer. I sent him pictures of my tags as he said his nephews has an alternate in brackets at least it looks like it does. Ours tags have nothing?
There is no number in brackets at all?
Odd that the tags beiong sent out would be different?
Other than the ones that had the validation to ones that don't but these two tags both have validation stickers for Bull moose archery yet the tags look different..
I can see a royal screw up in the works
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Aug 9 2012, 07:16 PM
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Aug 9 2012, 05:14 PM
If they would actually do there work like Quebec does we would have a system that works for all

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EXCELLENT POST MY FRIEND :allright:

:allright: notwor notwor

hit the nail on the head coptor :cheers:
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