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Larry Smith....poacher?
Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 06:36 PM (12,781 Views)
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Been a long time since I posted here.. A few here were all oh that's just sour grapes Coptor last time I replied to this post so I moved on
Well this is serious crap so read it and take it for what it is worth..
Ok here is the latest breaking news.
Remember Larry has been charged but not convicted.
I was laughed at and not believed by others on the OTB when they put Larry High on a pedestal. I said they don't know half of the story.. Benembton I belive started the post there where lot's on there saying Oh Larry Best buck hunter ever..
What ever I said. Some said oh ya copter sounds like sour grapes

Him and his Buddy Chris Keirnan of Morris Illinois who shot the new state record or should say possibly poached the New state record.. and Garrett Armstrong of ELITE ARCHERY have all been charged.. Read it here

http://morrisdailyherald.com/articles/2011...88448/index.xml

All I can say is good for them.
Here is a hypothetical idea.
I mentioned to some .. name won't be mentioned
Why are Larry's deer shown in King Of the Woods always shown with their eyes sunk in and never a whole picture. They could not answer. You barely ever see the whole body of Larry's deer.

What if?

Just me thinking if Larry shot these deer in the State of Illinios and trucked them home after shooting them at 100 yards and then trucking them 20 hours after the Coyotes found them.. Maybe that explains how he can shoot a monster buck every year!!

If I finished second in the KOTW I would have some serious questions..
Just me thinking.. Read the article and take it for what it's worth
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I gotta head off to work here soon coptor but i will read the article when i get back home.
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not light reading.. I hope there is not major issues because of this..
All hunters will be under a microscope if you shoot a hog
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Thanks Coptordoctor
Wow thanks for posting .
in the hunting industry it is storys like this that makes me rethink my outlook on hunting.
so much emphesis put on rack size and score.
going to start deer hunting shooting what ever i feel is a trophy rather it a monster 12 point or a baskt 6 if i feel like harvesting it then so be it.
sponsered hunters need to produce and in hunting thats not always the case
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Nov 2 2011, 06:28 PM
Thanks Coptordoctor
Wow thanks for posting .
in the hunting industry it is storys like this that makes me rethink my outlook on hunting.
so much emphesis put on rack size and score.
going to start deer hunting shooting what ever i feel is a trophy rather it a monster 12 point or a baskt 6 if i feel like harvesting it then so be it.
sponsered hunters need to produce and in hunting thats not always the case
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Nope Archer.. you dont have to rethink anything...u have it figured out..Ive seen your post for years...you hunt with your kids and thats what hunting is all about for me..





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Charged with trespassing ,,,, Ya don't say. :goodpost:

So now if there found guilty ,,, should we believe the rumors in the Cornwall area ? I guess not but kinda of a coincidence.

Good to see they will get there day in court. Until then :coffee:
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thanks for posting Carl. looks like there may be some "eating crow". Ya, it is so sick and sad when people have to stoop that low in order to look impressive to others.
If they are found guilty, I hope they receive proper and severe punishment.
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Innocent until proven guilty. There is one sentence there, it looks like a tresspassing charge for Smith gents, who knows what happened. I'll reserve judgement until after the court date.
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Funny the local MNR has no info or licence data for Chris or Garrett hunting in Ontario . they have been here for years.. Hmmmm Looks like more than a trespassing charge
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Nick if they invoke the Lacy Act it will be a lot more than simple trespass.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

"Larry Smith, 49, of Williamsburg, Ontario, is charged in a five-count criminal misdemeanor complaint with illegally hunting and illegally taking a 16-point whitetail deer on the Material Service property on Southmor Road on Nov. 13, 2009."
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where there is smoke there is fire, good post
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That's too bad, do you think he brought deer from Illinois back to Ontario Coptor? Are his Ontario record book bucks in jeopardy?

This is not what trophy hunting is all about.

I enjoy the challenge of targeting big whitetail bucks thankfully that is secondary to all the little things that hunting brings me and my wife. I just plain love the moments I spend outdoors and I love venisen. So far I have taken 3 does. Two I gave to a good neighbor and his family and one so far for me and Deb. Not all trophy buck hunters operate like Larry. :(
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http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Hunting_Forum/ar/t28035.htm
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http://www.connecttristates.com/uploadedFi...ndy_Charges.pdf

"The following individuals were cited on charges related to unlawfully taking a total of 24 deer in Illinois and Canada over a 10-year period. Specific charges were filed as follows:"


Larry Smith (age 49, of Williamsburg, Ontario, Canada)
1 count each of the following:
Hunting without permission of landowner
Hunting with invalidated permit
Failure to tag deer as required
Unlawful possession of illegally taken deer
Unlawfully taking of deer
Failure to report harvest as required
Falsifying harvest record



Now if he is found guilty of this there,,,,,,,,, Then he must have been an angel here, right ?
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And I remember posting 2 or 3 yrs ago about him and some ILlEGAL activities that I caught wind of.
Looks good on him!
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well i target big bucks and thats what i enjoy hunting the most. Some years i get one , most years i dont but thats ok i still enjoy my hunting and filming even if i dont pull the trigger. And on a side note none of my trophies are in any record book not that im against record books I have just never entered them.
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Nov 2 2011, 11:02 PM

wow from that post alot of guys should be eating crow... i wonder how some guys feel stating they knew stuff as fact.. when in sence this guy is a poacher...it is impossible to get big bucks some times 2 a year.....
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Shane
Nov 3 2011, 01:59 AM
well i target big bucks and thats what i enjoy hunting the most. Some years i get one , most years i dont but thats ok i still enjoy my hunting and filming even if i dont pull the trigger. And on a side note none of my trophies are in any record book not that im against record books I have just never entered them.

Right on Shane. Guys that hunt for the record buck are hunting for the wrong reasons.

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Nov 2 2011, 10:05 PM
Now if he is found guilty of this there,,,,,,,,, Then he must have been an angel here, right ?

I would think if the MNR was involved in the laying of charges in Illinois, they have been watching him for a while. Hopefully they press onwards with charges under our legal system and just don't sit back and let the IDNR do the dirty work.
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Nov 2 2011, 09:05 PM
http://www.connecttristates.com/uploadedFi...ndy_Charges.pdf

"The following individuals were cited on charges related to unlawfully taking a total of 24 deer in Illinois and Canada over a 10-year period. Specific charges were filed as follows:"


Larry Smith (age 49, of Williamsburg, Ontario, Canada)
1 count each of the following:
Hunting without permission of landowner
Hunting with invalidated permit
Failure to tag deer as required
Unlawful possession of illegally taken deer
Unlawfully taking of deer
Failure to report harvest as required
Falsifying harvest record



Now if he is found guilty of this there,,,,,,,,, Then he must have been an angel here, right ?

So I wonder if Extreme feels the same now?
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Buckstopper is right, its just the start if he is found guilty of all charges. Interested in what will happen with his Ontario records in FROW, or like someone else mentioned, the KOTW contest?
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larry 2009 first place winner in king of the woods
larry smith 2008 third place
larry smith 2007 first place finisher
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http://www.omwmag.com/WeeklyWinners2010_12.php

this is the number one reason I do not join compatitions.
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a little word of advice in the hunting and fishing world..if you dont know the guy or you think he has history always divide his story by 2...ussually helps with the truth (12 point buck ran by = saw a 6 pointer)...and dont trust pics either..got caught twice. one buck was taken in a sanctuary and the other two at night. love everybodies true colors on this thread...and no just because you are not a believer does not mean you are jealous, its that you realize there are alot of wanna be's in the hunting world
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fyi .. i remember this picture as if it was yesterday... there was some question over the condition of the deer and why no body of the animal in the picture ... now i am wondering if the animal was caped out and brought back to canada..... his exscuse at the time was the yotes got into it and tore it up.... if i remember right
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Nov 2 2011, 10:03 PM
Nick if they invoke the Lacy Act it will be a lot more than simple trespass.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

"Larry Smith, 49, of Williamsburg, Ontario, is charged in a five-count criminal misdemeanor complaint with illegally hunting and illegally taking a 16-point whitetail deer on the Material Service property on Southmor Road on Nov. 13, 2009."

Hey Rick,

I am not familiar with the Lacy Act? I remember you showed me one of his racks at your place. You've meet him but I don't know how well you know him. What's your take on this?

If he is found guilty, I don't think there is anything you can do with the KOTW contest except ban him from any future ones.

Can you remove his entries from the FROW book? I don't know? This is starting to sound like Pete Rose here. Did Barry Bonds lose his home run record after he was caught cheating with Steroids? Ben Johnson had his record removed after he cheated. This is a decision FROW would have to make. Just my humble opinion.
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that pic of larrys buck is discusting. It looks like it had been dead for a whille!! surpirised not many people caught on to that pic and brought up questions sooner. if this is true its becoming pretty sad that some of the guys people look up to and enjoy their success are just sneaks and cheaters.. larry, foiles whos next.. puts a great name for the "real" hunters out there
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after looking at the pic again does anyone else notice the spot under his arm in that gap. to me that looks like a different style of camo that is acting as a cover for that pocket which would be filled by the bucks body... correct? to me this pic shows a deers head but no body becuase of that gap cover up.
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Nick the "Lacey Act" is a Federal Law with teeth. Basically it is the transportation of illegally taken game across state borders.

I have known Larry for over 25 years although we are not close friends and I have done a lot of his deer mounts. I have always liked Larry, he is a nice guy and his archery and hunting abilities are second to none. But I believe the pressure of being sponsored and keeping up his reputation may have got to him as it has with other celebrity hunters.

What concerns me the most is how his association with me may have put me under the MNR radar. Am I under investigation for having mounted some illegally taken deer? I have no personal knowledge of any violations committed by Larry.

While I was aware of many rumours surrounding Larry I always gave him the benefit of the doubt stating "prove it or shut up, rumours are cheap and do no one any good."
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Nov 3 2011, 08:56 AM

What concerns me the most is how his association with me may have put me under the MNR radar. Am I under investigation for having mounted some illegally taken deer? I have no personal knowledge of any violations committed by Larry.


I think you can breath easy Buckstopper, You are a taxidermist that provides a service , not a wildlife official that needs to determine how an animal was taken.
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I always gave him the benefit of the doubt stating "prove it or shut up, rumours are cheap and do no one any good."

i like this quote...you try to always give the benefit of the doubt...but i think what you see here are fustrated hunters that belong to a sport that is struggling to stay above water. and one of the most publicized hunters in ontario has just POSSIBLY just kicked us in the #@$*. and in the mean time bragging about it
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not light reading.. I hope there is not major issues because of this..
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no problem being under a microscope if you did it all above board.

While he is innocent until proven guilty I would ask all those who still think he may be on the up and up if you think the DNR would do all that investiugating and lay all those charges if it were?

Man Rick, I'd say you have no issue. Might get a call to assist with thier investigation but you had nothing to do with it so I can't imagine why they'd hassle you at all.

It will be interesting to see if OMW does anything or even can do anything. I mean if the Illinois DNR have some proof a buck entered in KOTW it might be one thing.....would that be fraud charges here at home added to everyhting???
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Nov 3 2011, 09:51 AM
after looking at the pic again does anyone else notice the spot under his arm in that gap. to me that looks like a different style of camo that is acting as a cover for that pocket which would be filled by the bucks body... correct? to me this pic shows a deers head but no body becuase of that gap cover up.

I noticed that to Whitetail
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Nov 3 2011, 09:22 AM

It will be interesting to see if OMW does anything or even can do anything. I mean if the Illinois DNR have some proof a buck entered in KOTW it might be one thing.....would that be fraud charges here at home added to everyhting???

Well I know Paul and Keith and I know everything they do is on the up and up and in a professional matter , its unfortunate that the KOTW contest is somewhat dragged into this but I cant see why OMW and there contest should be stained in any way because of this.
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the turkey guy and double lung. Are these guys still on this board? I just wonder becuase they chimed in on that old post as seeming to know him and even hunting with him. Guaranteed he's on the up and up and so I'd be curious to hear thier perspective. I don't expect we'll hear from his son Joshua and I feel bad for that kid. probably did think his Dad was the King and that will be Larry's greatest punishment if it's proven otherwise.



I've been chastized bad on this board for questioning someone on things. If you are not all nicey-nicey patting everyone on the back and putting them up on a pedestal you are either jealous or a troublemaker. I still wonder how a guy can collect 200 plus sheds by the first week of January but that's another story...lol :cheers:
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Right on Shane.  Guys that hunt for the record buck are hunting for the wrong reasons.

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Seriously? So being a trophy hunter is wrong?
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Right on Shane.  Guys that hunt for the record buck are hunting for the wrong reasons.

Sam

Seriously? So being a trophy hunter is wrong?

That rubbed me the wrong way as well! At first.

I think what he is trying to say is that guys that just hunt the big bucks for the glory and the fame are doing it for the wrong reason. They will try to kill a trophy buck at all costs, including throwing all values and morals out the window.



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Nov 3 2011, 08:17 AM
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Nov 2 2011, 09:05 PM
http://www.connecttristates.com/uploadedFi...ndy_Charges.pdf

"The following individuals were cited on charges related to unlawfully taking a total of 24 deer in Illinois and Canada over a 10-year period. Specific charges were filed as follows:"


Larry Smith (age 49, of Williamsburg, Ontario, Canada)
1 count each of the following:
Hunting without permission of landowner
Hunting with invalidated permit
Failure to tag deer as required
Unlawful possession of illegally taken deer
Unlawfully taking of deer
Failure to report harvest as required
Falsifying harvest record



Now if he is found guilty of this there,,,,,,,,, Then he must have been an angel here, right ?

So I wonder if Extreme feels the same now?

What do you mean how am I supposed to feel now?
A few members make negative comments about a person and the whole world has to take their word for it.This is the INTERNET.I seen no proof or have not heard anything bad about this guy so I will not bad mouth him or degrade him of a hunter he portrayed himself to be.Guess its wrong trying to be a good guy and help his son feel a little better about all the negative talk?

After reading this post I do have a different oppinion on him,but I will keep that comment to myself.
If I pushed any buttons the wrong way and was hurtful to any member for my comment I appologise.But I will not appologise for being a nice guy
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Nov 3 2011, 10:45 AM
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Right on Shane.  Guys that hunt for the record buck are hunting for the wrong reasons.

Sam

Seriously? So being a trophy hunter is wrong?

That rubbed me the wrong way as well! At first.

I think what he is trying to say is that guys that just hunt the big bucks for the glory and the fame are doing it for the wrong reason. They will try to kill a trophy buck at all costs, including throwing all values and morals out the window.

thats what i got out of it aswell
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