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Larry Smith....poacher?
Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 06:36 PM (12,784 Views)
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Nov 3 2011, 11:22 AM
Man Rick, I'd say you have no issue. Might get a call to assist with thier investigation but you had nothing to do with it so I can't imagine why they'd hassle you at all.


Myself and KOTW have had no involvment with Larry's illegal activities but we may be victims of collateral damage.

Recently I have found alot of game wardens operate under the mandate of guilty until proven innocent in a court of law. It can get very expensive to protect yourself.
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Nov 3 2011, 11:09 AM
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Man Rick, I'd say you have no issue. Might get a call to assist with thier investigation but you had nothing to do with it so I can't imagine why they'd hassle you at all.


Myself and KOTW have had no involvment with Larry's illegal activities but we may be victims of collateral damage.

Recently I have found alot of game wardens operate under the mandate of guilty until proven innocent in a court of law. It can get very expensive to protect yourself.

guilty of what tho Buckstopper? You mounted some deer heads for this guy , you are no way involved in the hunt or how those deer were taken .
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I don'tknowif you know.it's illegal to transport a whole deer into Canada for many years.Skull plate has to be cleaned and all meat boned out.brent
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What do you mean how am I supposed to feel now?
A few members make negative comments about a person and the whole world has to take their word for it.This is the INTERNET.I seen no proof or have not heard anything bad about this guy so I will not bad mouth him or degrade him of a hunter he portrayed himself to be.Guess its wrong trying to be a good guy and help his son feel a little better about all the negative talk?

After reading this post I do have a different oppinion on him,but I will keep that comment to myself.
If I pushed any buttons the wrong way and was hurtful to any member for my comment I appologise.But I will not appologise for being a nice guy


I was surprised that your name was mentioned as well. I referenced a couple guys from that original thread because they spoke as to knowing him (not sure on turkey guy) and even hunting with him. They pretty much made a first hand endorsement of him and so I was curious how they took all this. That of course is not to say they could of been duped 100% as well. Could of hunted very legally with guy, learned things, found him to be nice tec. etc. I mean he isn't going to brag if he is down south poaching his arse off.
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Seriously? So being a trophy hunter is wrong?

no way man. And dc240 is an example of one of those guys I was referring to. Big buck killer who gets it done consitnetly and lives in big buck country. His success is trmendous and yet doesn't seem to keep up with what this guy was shooting year after in Eastern Ontario. Things that make you go hmmmmmm....
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i think that claiming larry's KOW deer are from illinois is a bit much. like i had in an earlier post i have been up there and hunted in the area and i have never seen so many big deer and there is no doubt in my mind that those deer could have come from there, not saying they did because nobody has been found guilty yet. and about that wide deer, although i was not up there when the deer was shot and did not see it hanging i think i was there that season hunting with my friend from college and i have never seen so much snow, the deer mortality was through the roof that year with coyotes mostly to blame and maybe yotes did get most of the body, i have been told they eat the guts and hind quarter first which would not make for good pics, so you take pic's of what still makes an appropiate photo. i am sure everyone will be all over this but take it for what it is, i am not saying everything is faulse, simply let the judge that care of the charges and let try not to blow things out of perportion.
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Seriously? So being a trophy hunter is wrong?

Oops! I was still half asleep when I typed that. What I meant to say was record BOOK, not buck. I consider myself a big buck hunter but do so for the challenge as opposed to any fame that might come with it.

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think that claiming larry's KOW deer are from illinois is a bit much


who claimed they were? Must have missed that????

Now a question for you double lung. If you placed second or third in one of his winning years you might ask that question correct? Someone in our family is in that exact scenario so does he not have right to question anything about this guy's entries. There may in fact be no way to know and certainly OMW does all in can to ensure everything is fair. I don't think anyone would question that but to give anyone a hard time for questioning his entries??? C"MON man. git yer head out of your.....

As for Eastern Ontario having big bucks you are most correct. There is big bucks everywhere but making the area out to be some super big buck mecca is maybe a little misleading. I don't give much thought to what a deer looks like in the picture and try and come up with some convuluted theory regarding heavy snow and yotes but I do wonder if it came from Illinois and/or was taken legally. Valid question under the circumstances don't you think? Question not accusation or claim.

The attention is proportional to the attention brought on by the hunter in the first place. If he quietly went about his big buck killing ways and we truly never heard of him it would be a simple post with a few replies. It's more than that unfortunately. Heck there is board memebers who have competed against him in KOW contests. I don't think anyone would question his hunting ability based on what we here about him. No doubt he is an above average whitetail hunter but I think allegations like this puts everyhting into question as far as his successes go.

Still just questions and you are right, have to let it all play out. Maybe he is innocent and mixed up in something he should be involved in. Too bad if he is but I say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.
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Nov 3 2011, 09:47 AM
fyi .. i remember this picture as if it was yesterday... there was some question over the condition of the deer and why no body of the animal in the picture ... now i am wondering if the animal was caped out and brought back to canada..... his exscuse at the time was the yotes got into it and tore it up.... if i remember right
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ok i still here sorry for the late answer i still stand beside Larry and i don't even really know him. my question is has not one ever be so obessed with things they push things abit second, i don't know he did any thing wrong. even if he did he still had to kill the deer which face it is not that easy to find big bucks and then second kill them. my point is no one is perfect and we all make mistakes if he did. plus i would stand beside and one of you who made a mistake. i don't know about you i'am not perfect and i make mistakes all the time and alot of my friends still stand beside me.take care rob. IT is alot easy to find fault then to see the good and the law works the same way alot of time s.
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i don't know he did any thing wrong. even if he did he still had to kill the deer which face it is not that easy to find big bucks and then second kill them


lol. not sure on that one.

Probably a good thing to stand beside everyone in the long run of life turkey guy. Some noble thoughts to that position. Not sure I share your posiion on this topic but I'll give you that.

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I saw that post chessy but I don't think you claimed anything but just questioned it as well. That was my point to double lung really. Big difference between making the statement that the deer WAS from Illinois and WONDERING if it COULD be.

I hope it was from Ontario. I hope it was legit. I tip my cap to him if it is that regardless of what his other indiscretions in other areas may be.

Very interesting all the same.....

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Nov 3 2011, 03:06 PM
i don't know he did any thing wrong. even if he did he still had to kill the deer which face it is not that easy to find big bucks and then second kill them.

That is a pretty bold statement
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There once was a celebrity hunter named Noel Feather. He was convicted of killing a deer in one state (I think from an enclosure) and putting another state's tag on it. That conviction ruined his life. For all I know, he's working in car wash somewhere.

As for Mr. Smith, he hasn't been convicted in Ontario for any wrong doing (as far as I know) but his actions have certainly cast a shadow on his accomplishments. People will never look at him the same way again, even if his Ontario bucks are legit.

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Nov 3 2011, 05:07 PM
There once was a celebrity hunter named Noel Feather. He was convicted of killing a deer in one state (I think from an enclosure) and putting another state's tag on it. That conviction ruined his life. For all I know, he's working in car wash somewhere.


yes I remember Noel, some of the first hunting videos i seen he was in them. He was looked up to by many in the hunting industry until he was charged then it all went downhill from there
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Ont gobbler yes i know Larry a bit and in my book he is top notch from what i have had dealings with him as for the crap being said. To be honest not my busniess he will have to deal with it if he did do something wrong and if not looks like he will have to deal with to. i have defend other people here that i have heard that they were poachers and they may or may not be. my point is i hunt for my self i deal with my self and i set my ownen standards some people look at me a say your nuts letting that walk or shooting that but iT's about me not the board the world or any one else. Right now i trying to show my son how to hunt in a world full of peoplee who hate hunting and a world full of video games and crap like that. so i say this larry could come bye my house any time, hunt with me any time i'd love to learn a few thing from him sure but the end of the day i do what i want and how i want and i have to answer to my self for what i do not a bunch of people that i half know. just like Larry. and at the same time steve you know people that have had trouble with the law and are good people just like you are from what i can tell take care rob. :cheers:
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take it easy ontGobbler, the KOW thing was just in responce to the very first post from coptordoctor ( i am not sure how to quote so i just copied it :killpc: )

"just me thinking if Larry shot these deer in the State of Illinios and trucked them home after shooting them at 100 yards and then trucking them 20 hours after the Coyotes found them.. Maybe that explains how he can shoot a monster buck every year!! "

i am very sorry your faimly member is in that situation and i cant imagine how much it would suck even having that possibility floating around but i am not saying anyone is wrong and that it is not possible but it seems unreasonable that the deer where taken in the states and brought here for the contest, thats all: i also not have any experience and correct me if i am wrong but is it not illegal to bring a deer head cross the boarder with the brains in .
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Well this does not sound very good ,I myself had nothing but praise for Larry and with spending a few minutes with the man and finding him a very easy guy to talk to and more than willing to take time to speak with us ,why wouldn't I have good things to say and I still say he's a good guy regardless ,although his hunting ethics are under tight scrutiny now over this mess .I don't have a clue to what actually happened and as some others have said ,is it not possible that he got into something he was unaware of,or did he well know exactly what was going on . I myself would hope not ,but at this point I'm not saying another word because I don't have the answer to what happened . I never paid close attention to the picture of Larry and the buck that is posted ,but it sure does appear to be staged .
I know after reading this my first thought was were his bucks Ontario bucks or whats the chance they were from out of province or country?

I certainly don't know what to think ,its quite obvious some of the members here knew something ,but didn't have the evidence to speak freely ,but you can't blame people for thinking Larry is the most successful Whitetail hunter in Ontario ,we didn't have a clue ,how could we ,doesn't make us bad people for believing in the man .
I don't care to eat crow myself ,but if I have to I have to ,just goes to show you don't know a guy from 1 conversation.


I guess now its in the courts hands and this will be all over the net ,we will find out just exactly what happened and what he is or isn't guilty of.

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I don't think anyone who stood up for this guy in the past was wrong to do so !


He killed big "SMART" Ontario whitetails. and was good at it !

then this comes out.

Some people had there suspicions but no proof ( Me ) and really shouldn't have said much other then. WOW ,,," Why are the ears on that deer so messed up and out of place " "Yotes didn't do that !"

but how could you ?

If this is true we were all duped unless you could prove an innocent man guilty,,,, we could not. But now , if it is true 24 illegal deer later,,,,,, Courts will decide.

He is still innocent,,,, for now. Hope if its true , they toss the book at all of them !
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Well this does not sound very good ,I myself had nothing but praise for Larry and with spending a few minutes with the man and finding him a very easy guy to talk to and more than willing to take time to speak with us ,why wouldn't I have good things to say and I still say he's a good guy regardless ,although his hunting ethics are under tight scrutiny now over this mess .I don't have a clue to what actually happened and as some others have said ,is it not possible that he got into something he was unaware of,or did he well know exactly what was going on . I myself would hope not ,but at this point I'm not saying another word because I don't have the answer to what happened . I never paid close attention to the picture of Larry and the buck that is posted ,but it sure does appear to be staged .
I know after reading this my first thought was were his bucks Ontario bucks or whats the chance they were from out of province or country?

I certainly don't know what to think ,its quite obvious some of the members here knew something ,but didn't have the evidence to speak freely ,but you can't blame people for thinking Larry is the most successful Whitetail hunter in Ontario ,we didn't have a clue ,how could we ,doesn't make us bad people for believing in the man .
I don't care to eat crow myself ,but if I have to I have to ,just goes to show you don't know a guy from 1 conversation.


I guess now its in the courts hands and this will be all over the net ,we will find out just exactly what happened and what he is or isn't guilty of.

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Exactly how I feel. Nubo, we both met Larry and each other at the same event. Not sure what the original posts purpose was though, to cause heated discussion? No need to single out members like Extreme and flame OTB just because some members took a different view on a topic. So, that said Coptor, I have a lot of respect for your opinions and experiences and you did alert me some time ago about Larry and some lingering questions about his ethics but what can I do about it? I think you will find OTB a fine place to hang out if you actually got that chip off your shoulder.
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This is a news story from Morris, IL. I'm just curious, how did you every find this story?

BTW: This is the 36 point deer that scored 261 5/8.
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Nov 2 2011, 06:36 PM
Been a long time since I posted here.. A few here were all oh that's just sour grapes Coptor last time I replied to this post so I moved on
Well this is serious crap so read it and take it for what it is worth.
Remember Larry has been charged but not convicted.
I was laughed at and ridiculed by others on the OTB when they put Larry High on a pedestal. I said they don't know half of the story.. all been charged.. Read it here


So you never show yourself here ever again just to throw this into OTB members face. Your comment may have been ridiculd because there was no evidence to back you up at that time. Without any Facts about the situation it was merely a rumor then.
Many here including myself have met Larry, hard to judge a person on abrief meeting, but he seemed to be a sincere guy as many others may have thought.
So at that time many felt they should defend him.
Let this be a lesson too make sure they have facts on hand before they "defame" anyone.
Be a positive member to OTB as we all enjoyed your past posts.

Lets let the justice system judge him now.

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This is a news story from Morris, IL. I'm just curious, how did you every find this story?

BTW: This is the 36 point deer that scored 261 5/8.
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What do you mean by how did you find this story?I am heading to Illinois on Friday to hunt and yes I bought a tag.$450 Us.It 's a small world and we all know Smith.
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Nov 4 2011, 08:28 PM
What do you mean by how did you find this story?I am heading to Illinois on Friday to hunt and yes I bought a tag.$450 Us.It 's a small world and we all know Smith.

So Larry Smith phoned up coptordoctor and said "Hey, guess what happened to me..."
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when did this ever turn into the judgement of larry's character. alot of people are saying they met him and he is a great guy. of course he is. does not mean i nice guy can't get his hand caught in a cookie jar. a big investigaion like that and his name is involved, and his questionable pictures? this is not a guy caught in the wrong place at the wrong time like some guys are saying. things seem a little to obvious to me
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What do you mean by how did you find this story?I am heading to Illinois on Friday to hunt and yes I bought a tag.$450 Us.It 's a small world and we all know Smith.

So Larry Smith phoned up coptordoctor and said "Hey, guess what happened to me..."

Maybe you should ask Carl that stupid question.Illinois is not that far away and we have freinds all over the US.Carl knows everbody.
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Don't know the guy, but it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I'd hate to be in his boots.
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Not that it matters much but all 3 are pro staffers for Elite Archery and one is even the VP of the company. What a magnificent buck, would be a shame if indeed it was poached.
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I'd hate to be in his boots.

For some reason ,,, I don't think you would . You wouldn't go in those boots in the first place IMOP :cheers:

Nice guy or not. If he/they did it ,,, It makes us all look bad.
I know it would be wrong but the non hunting public , paints us all with the same brush. Hunters breaking the law.

They don't see the change from hunting to poaching . These guys have a credibility issue that if true ,,,, They knew what they were doing .
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What do you mean by how did you find this story?I am heading to Illinois on Friday to hunt and yes I bought a tag.$450 Us.It 's a small world and we all know Smith.

So Larry Smith phoned up coptordoctor and said "Hey, guess what happened to me..."

Maybe you should ask Carl that stupid question.Illinois is not that far away and we have freinds all over the US.Carl knows everbody.

I was asking coptordoctor. He's the one who started the thread and broke the story. Sorry if asking a guy how he found out about it is a "stupid" question.
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I was the one who brought the newspaper article to Coptordoctors attention.

If you go to Bowsite.com and go to the "New Illinois number one" it is there for all to read. That's where I found it.

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thre...ages=72&forum=4

Carl and Larry used to be the best of friends and shot competitively for years in different categories, both winning the majority of the 3D events they entered.

A few years ago Carl stopped hunting and associating with Larry. At the time he would not elaborate but said it will all come out in time. The time has come!
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Well I know Paul and Keith and I know everything they do is on the up and up and in a professional matter , its unfortunate that the KOTW contest is somewhat dragged into this but I cant see why OMW and there contest should be stained in any way because of this.




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Well I know Paul and Keith and I know everything they do is on the up and up and in a professional matter , its unfortunate that the KOTW contest is somewhat dragged into this but I cant see why OMW and there contest should be stained in any way because of this.


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I agree.

If he took prizes with illegally entered deer I would consider it fraud and Smith should be held accountable. It's not the contest organizer's fault.
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ya the only reason OMW gets mentioned is to wonder whether they got duped as well. The "boys" have a solid rep and I doubt anyone would even think anything but the fact they run a clean contest 100%. Someone might pull the wool over the eyes of the 2 people signing the entry form as well. Who knows. Hopefully the were legit but ya gotta wonder........
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At the risk of stoking a smoldering fire, what sort of allegations/rumours were circulating against Larry Smith prior to this story becoming public.

Not looking for a character assassination - just some further background to this issue.
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I heard over the yrs about him hunting on private land without perm and also caught wind of him not tagging a deer, out of Prov.
I know people who use to shoot competitively against Larry and know a couple that actually hunted with him. Maybe they were the ones that opened their mouths on this because they stopped hunting with him and started to blab away about what he was doing.
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Wow,what a time to find this forum..The first topic I see is of an old hunting acquaintance I hadn't seen in yrs and then just ran into a cpl weeks ago..I was asking him if he still hunted with Chris in Illinois.. I did a cpl of Sask trips with them back in the late 90's.. I can honestly say everything was on the up n up on those trips.. But this isn't looking too good....

Sura am glad I found this place, lookin forward to checking it all out!
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I've received a few PMs asking if this is the same Larry Smith, who owns and operates South Nation Archery Supplies located in South Mountain. The answer to that question is no.

Just thought I'd post this to clarify things.
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