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| Larry Smith....poacher? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 06:36 PM (12,782 Views) | |
coptordoctor
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Dec 11 2012, 03:36 PM Post #121 |
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This off the archery addiction web site Garret ended up being charged on (plead guilty to)counts 5,8,10,13,15 which are... Unlawful take/possess/Deer Hunter others land without Permission Unlawful take/possess/deer Hunt others land without permission Hunt others land without permission. Defendant placed on 24 months conditional discharge; assessed fines and costs of 625$; pay 5000 restitution; forfeit hunting items; not to hunt during period of conditional discharge and appear for future court dates. and a quote from Garrett. he manned up.. Good on him. Originally Posted by Armstrong13 Today I have reluctantly accepted five charges out of twenty-four brought forth by The Illinois Department of Natural Resources stemming from a single hunting trip I took in November of 2009. What happened that fall is something that I regret. I was negligent of not fully understanding the property boundaries on the farm our group was given permission to hunt. This could happen to any hunter. I was quite literally in the wrong place at the wrong time, and for that, I must take responsibility. The Illinois Department of Natural Resources took erroneous and far-reaching measures to charge me with twenty-four separate violations. In the end, the department dropped nineteen charges against me. I had purchased the proper tag, license and habitat stamp to legally hunt in Illinois; I hunted during legal hours of the day in the legal hunting season with a legal weapon; my one mistake was not personally confirming our hunting location. As a nonresident and because I was not familiar with the property, the location made all of my legal actions invalid and therefore, I must accept five of these charges. I have always prided myself as an ethical and safe hunter. The hunting experience is more important to me than the taking of any animal. Those in the hunting industry who have participated with me in this sport know the level of commitment I have to keeping the sport alive and pure. I have made this my livelihood and have spent the last 15 years working for and participating in this industry I love and respect. I want to thank my friends, family and peers for their support. I look forward to putting this situation behind me so I can focus on the future and continue to give back to the hunting community that has given me so much. |
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Buckstopper
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Dec 12 2012, 08:31 AM Post #122 |
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Dobber your statement "the witness has to sign his/her life away saying that they saw the deer within 24 hours of the kill." is in total error. All the witness is witnessing is the signature. P&Y and B&C are the same. When a witness signs the official score sheet they are verifying that they witness that the signature was indeed the signature of the person providing the data. The same is true of a Notary Public. A Notary Public verifies the signature not that they witness the kill or the trophy. |
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StandNapper
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Dec 12 2012, 11:18 AM Post #123 |
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I believe the 24hour witness of the trophy rule is in relation to the King of The Woods Contest regulations Not for FROW requirements. Larry Smith has been in that contest a couple of times. He won it in 2009 with the same animal that is being questioned. Contest Details: 2. A completed application form with two non-related witness signatures (see Addendum 7) verifying the date and method of harvest Addendum 7 A non-related witness must sign saying they saw the animal within 24 hours of recovering the animal as a whole carcass (with or without entrails). A "non-related" witness is someone who has no familial relationship with the entrant by birth or by marriage Here is the link to the 2009 results. http://www.omwmag.com/Triathlon2009.php That is a $10,000 prize package including an ATV. Wouldn't that be a pisser if it turns out that was a poached deer! |
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chessy
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Dec 12 2012, 11:39 AM Post #124 |
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people dont care when money is involved look at the ofah they got funded from mario curturely (SP) building from him he was charged a while ago for poaching moose but all is forgotten when the might dollar comes out . |
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dobber
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Dec 12 2012, 12:23 PM Post #125 |
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it took you near 6 months to tell me i made an error, when in fact i was just making the comment on this statement "All I can say is lucky i did not finish second behind him or there would be some serious issuees being taken up to get the 15K he took from someone that deserved it. I just didnt do the entire copy and paste like Standnapper did and that was my only error |
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condescending twat Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant | |
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Buckstopper
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Dec 12 2012, 02:34 PM Post #126 |
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Dobber I just read your comment this morning. It was in error then and is in error now as far as official entries to FROW, P&Y and B&C. |
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dobber
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Dec 12 2012, 09:10 PM Post #127 |
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i was commenting to the KOW contest rules then and this morning, i understand the scoring system and assossiated rules, have worked beside you many times over the years and certainly not questioning that I was simply replying to coptors comment, which has merit in regards to who ever got second place in the KOW would have questions and concerns over losing out on the prize There i think that cleared it up, we agree on the rules for scoring, and now the rules that i made comment on which arent for scoring, but for the KOW contest anyway back to slamming poachers and law breakers |
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condescending twat Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant | |
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Dec 13 2012, 08:44 AM Post #128 |
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he may have confessed but you can't tell me that he had no idea where the property boundaries were, that's baloney....they all knew full well what they were doing. He says 'reluctantly accepted five charges' so that would tell me that he really believed that what he was doing was OK. I'm with Dobber, slam the poachers and law breakers
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forkhorn
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Dec 13 2012, 09:31 AM Post #129 |
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Not saying this what happened in this case..... BUT People around my neck of the woods.... seem to be clueless to there actual property boundaries. I have seen it before and have experienced a land owner telling me he owns for that corner to another. When in fact they actual owned the adjacent parcel(I put in the actual prop. boundary). The land owner was completely surprised..... If he was guiding a hunter. The hunter would have been on someone elses property. If I went somewhere to hunt and had a guide I would hope they weren't putting me in locations that I couldn't be in. I guided a few times before and the client I was guiding never had a clue were we where. I could have gone into a different WMU.... and he would have never known. I can honestly say I won't be going over maps to hard to verify the locations they were putting me in.... but after reading this I will be.
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chessy
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Dec 13 2012, 10:45 AM Post #130 |
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i see where some of you are coming from that the property lines may have been misunderstood. well if you are going to spend time and money on a piece of land to hunt they would have gotten all there ducks in a row. the only reason they did what they did is because of the all mighty dollar |
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Muskoka Whitetails
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Dec 13 2012, 10:48 AM Post #131 |
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I would think this was probably a very well posted property possibly with a 8' chain link fence around it. I have seen properties like this before, the deer can come and go through areas that don't have the fence like where train tracks, access roads etc. are. Usually they are big chunks in built up areas and have to be well marked and fenced for liability reasons. It provides the best possible sanctuary for the deer to grow old in. Ripe pickings for people with no ethics. I know when I lived in Niagara falls there was a plant down there that was fenced like I discribed and you would see HUGE bucks in the fenced area all the time, during daylight, during the whole bow season, I used to drive along the edge on the way to work everyday. |
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Muskoka Whitetails
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Dec 13 2012, 10:56 AM Post #132 |
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As far as I'm concerned he has made a concerted effort to win the KOW contest doing whatever it takes. If he is found guilty by the MNR I think he should then face criminal charges for fraud, and theft over $10,000 or whatever the limit is. I think Larry knew exactly what he was doing and should go to jail to make an example of him. He make all hunters and the sport of hunting look really bad. |
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coptordoctor
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Dec 13 2012, 11:50 AM Post #133 |
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My feelings exactly.. They knew what they were doing. I think the 8 ft High fence should have given them a good idea where the bounds were. |
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forkhorn
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Dec 13 2012, 12:06 PM Post #134 |
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I didn't realize they were in a fenced in area.... Yeah! pretty hard to argue crossing that and not noticing it.
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Dec 13 2012, 01:52 PM Post #135 |
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Larry Smith 2012 inductee to the Ontario hunting Hall of Shame. |
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| Renegade | Apr 18 2013, 10:34 PM Post #136 |
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http://www.galesburg.com/newsnow/x16411664...to-lose-license Larry S. Smith, 50, Chesterfield, Ontario, pleaded guilty in Sangamon County to falsifying hunter harvest records and was fined $800. In Grundy County, he was ordered to pay $2,000 in restitution and fined $300 after pleading guilty to hunting without permission and illegal possession of a 16-point buck. The court also ordered he could not hunt in Illinois for two years. IDNR further suspended his hunting privileges for 25 months. |
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roughneck
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Apr 20 2013, 10:20 AM Post #137 |
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Just getting caught up on this. Very interesting. I've heard things here and there but have never seen it in print. Thanks for the update Rene. We have a similar area here. Large water filtration lagoons on many acres, with an 8' fence all around it. Lots of deer in there all the time, but the fence and the no trespassing signs give you a pretty good idea that you shouldn't be in there. |
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Apr 20 2013, 02:17 PM Post #138 |
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I know the people that put all them NO TRESPASSING signs up....LOL They have permission to hunt all around that fence, but not inside of it. |
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coptordoctor
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May 5 2013, 06:33 PM Post #139 |
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About time.. Like I said if I were involved in King of the Woods this would be far from over.. |
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| Shane | May 5 2013, 09:07 PM Post #140 |
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crappy deal no doubt but i cant see what can be done about this now |
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coptordoctor
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May 6 2013, 10:58 AM Post #141 |
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Nothing I am sure unless the guy that placed out of the prizes. Took things to court.. A lot of work though no doubt..I am just hoping he does not reappear.. |
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May 7 2013, 06:04 AM Post #142 |
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OK so now its a fact, Larry S. Smith, 50, Chesterfield, Ontario is a Trespassing Poacher |
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roughneck
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May 7 2013, 09:16 AM Post #143 |
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"Smith’s deer and equipment were seized and the court ordered that he cannot hunt in Illinois for 24 months." I wonder if that equipment included an Arctic Cat 700 atv paid for by OMW magazine subscribers? |
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May 7 2013, 11:08 AM Post #144 |
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I said it once I will say it again Larry Smith WELCOME TO THE HUNTER HALL OF SHAME.
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dobber
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May 7 2013, 11:10 AM Post #145 |
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from what i can tell he has according to the reports, not broken any game laws here in Ontario, since that deer for the contest was reported to be taken in Ontario, sworn to by a witness according to the rules then doesnt much matter, other than to raise speculation and the "second gunman" theorists out there lets face it, he no longer has any credabity as a hunter, and until all government factions get together and really hurt poachers where they need to, he can still hunt everywhere except Ill for a couple of years. Make much more sense to ban him from hunting for longer and everywhere. The punishment is too lenient in my opinion, but without proof of any other laws broken i just cant make the jump that he broke laws to enter an animal into any other contest with conviction. The only thing i can see as an outcome from these speculations and what would at first seem as bashing on the KOW (as stated at first, but knowing the history of people here i know its not the case) there would only be one thing that would stop these type of things from happening and thats the cancelation of the KOW and other like contests. People cheat, have to take their word they didnt and apart from lie detector tests there is no clear path to prove any animal was taken legally. I could hunt all week in NWO and shoot a scrub, on the drive home hit one of them Minnisota giants, claim i shot it and put it in contests, no one but me and my witness would know otherwise. Be a douche thing to do, ethically wrong and show how morally warped my beliefs are. But that goes against everything i am, what i try to teach my son and how i try to promote the hunting heritage. |
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condescending twat Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant | |
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May 7 2013, 02:20 PM Post #146 |
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I've lost much respect for Larry. I know there is no evidence of him poaching his other record book Ontario bucks but I mean you can't really hold him for his word that he never bent the law to gain an edge for his past hunting success. In my opinion it casts major doubt that he harvested his other bucks legite or legally. |
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May 7 2013, 02:21 PM Post #147 |
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Great post and points
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| Shane | Mar 5 2014, 02:47 AM Post #148 |
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Thought I would bump this topic to show how opinions change from then to now . Also look at the number of views on this thread. It was a big topic then but the same topic now people think it's a waste of time and wonder why it's a big deal ? Edited by Shane, Mar 5 2014, 02:54 AM.
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| Renegade | Mar 5 2014, 03:04 AM Post #149 |
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I was talking to someone defending Larry and saying someone who can take 100 yard bow shots and hunt all season since he has his own business can take a lot of great bucks. Someone who takes 100 yard bow shots on a deer is not an ethical hunter in my books. Another prostaff poacher in my eyes. |
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| Shane | Mar 5 2014, 03:17 AM Post #150 |
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Anyone taking 100 yard shots at a deer is an idiot |
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woodman
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Mar 5 2014, 08:27 AM Post #151 |
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x2 Poachers,trespassers,a.t.vs and hikers continuously on my hunting property although posted every 100 ft. Always excuses, fake permission slips etc. Stealing wood, game and wild garlics etc. The latest is chasing deer with skidoos. M.n.r does not have enough people to enforce laws and I think eastern ontario is one of the worst areas. Reporting to police helps somewhat but they are busy with smuggling here. Charged smugglers are on this forum. I know personally 1 hunter charged and convicted of poaching deer numerous times and also taking moose from area with no tags. My invitation to hunt with their group was lost when I declined to poach. |
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| Partikle | Mar 5 2014, 08:46 AM Post #152 |
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I was thinking of this thread myself the past couple of days. Some peoples opinions have changed since they posted here. |
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baydog
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Mar 7 2014, 02:55 PM Post #153 |
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Not mine |
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chessy
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Mar 7 2014, 04:32 PM Post #154 |
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nor mine.... it makes me more interested now after the hunting show.. makes me thinks stink really bad... ![]() most guys can tell that this deer is more than a few days day ... and i would think a "expert " hunter should know the difference |
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| Shane | Mar 7 2014, 04:54 PM Post #155 |
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That pic is an awful pic . Most hunters take numerous pics from different angles when they get a big buck. Hard to believe that was the best pic
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Mar 7 2014, 05:28 PM Post #156 |
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Looks like he's holding a few day old coyote kill. No body visible behind head, like Shane said that's the best pic? |
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chessy
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Mar 7 2014, 05:56 PM Post #157 |
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this is the deer he won the omw contest .. new quad and all the prizes .. any person would have questioned that deer ... but????? must be a good friend of someone |
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dobber
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Mar 7 2014, 06:11 PM Post #158 |
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speculation at its best I do know he has a friend called Murray, I know Murray |
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chessy
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Mar 7 2014, 06:33 PM Post #159 |
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Dobber i am so sorry you are 100% correct. it is just speculation. we speculated in the past he was a poacher and the speculation came to light as being true... but we would not want to speculate about anyone else now would we. |
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dobber
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Mar 7 2014, 07:03 PM Post #160 |
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*L* actually some people said they knew he was breaking the law, unfortunately they didn't have the balls to do anything about it, others just decided to jump on the band wagon for whatever reason. He still hasn't been proscecuted in Ontario, and in saying that I am not suggesting he has clean hands, I am saying people who know details still don't have a set |
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Yeah! pretty hard to argue crossing that and not noticing it.



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