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| 600,000 off reserve natives recognized; Same benefits as on reserve? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 8 2013, 10:40 AM (2,868 Views) | |
LeGrand
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Jan 18 2013, 02:48 PM Post #41 |
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Cause he wasn't driving a "smart" car for carrying all of the traditional equipment needed for hunting or fishing, not to mention "conservation / preservation" knowledge of Mother Earth's concerns.
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| CanuckShooter | Jan 18 2013, 03:50 PM Post #42 |
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OMGosh....one man leaves a broken down truck in the bush and his entire race takes the heat for it?? What shallow thinking. |
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LoneWolf
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Jan 18 2013, 05:49 PM Post #43 |
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Oh boy. Not this fn s-h-i-t again. |
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| Renegade | Jan 18 2013, 05:54 PM Post #44 |
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I think the FN brought this discussion on themselves. Feel free to discuss the issues. Not talking about it and pretending it will go away by itself is certainly not going to help FN. |
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LoneWolf
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Jan 18 2013, 06:02 PM Post #45 |
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Talking about it, is one thing. But when all of FN gets bashed, it's another thing. Oh and BTW... I too, pay my taxes. |
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| Renegade | Jan 18 2013, 06:09 PM Post #46 |
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I think the thread on the topic has been quite civil. We will remove outright bashing from the forum like we always do. We haven't had to remove a post yet. |
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Jan 18 2013, 06:38 PM Post #47 |
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Everyone in Canada should be damn thankful that we live in such a great country... Are neighbours to the south handled things a little different and god knows what would the world would be like if the 'history' never panned out like it did. Also catholicism throughout the world has caused these such disgusting acts world wide... I would not hold the average canadian responsible for there actions. What happen in the past is history we should all beaware of the past. Canada doesn't have the best past and many different cultures have been persecuted... moving forward what should we do? What would it take to right a wrong? It seems a monetary value is always works..... but I always hear its not about that! Many differrent cultures have built this country to where its at today and last time I checked we r all gentically related....
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| revrnd | Jan 18 2013, 07:03 PM Post #48 |
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My family has been told by a native in our own home (uninvited) that all the land behind us (patented) "Is ours". The person is in his early 50s, went thru school here in central Ontario w/ my friends. He hasn't held a steady job (not sure if he is working now or not) in years. As far as I'm concerned the only reason for his situation is himself. He had just as many opportunities as my friends. Don't blame the ROC. That being said I worked w/ a machinist that was native off & on over 28 years. I never minded helping him out and if he didn't know how to do something, he was ready to learn. Unfortunately his cancer came back & he passed away before his retirement. Anyone who knew him, enjoyed being around him. You're missed Chief. |
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| reddfoxx | Jan 21 2013, 08:57 PM Post #49 |
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I get a little confused trying to understand the Metis issue. I understand that the original native people claim (perhaps rightfully so) that they were here first. Then along comes the white European. They meet up with, fight and eventually share and trade with the native people. White guys probably hunted, trapped and lived a pretty free lifestyle. Then a few of the french Europeans tangled up with some native people and there were mixed blood children born. They called themselves (or were called) Metis. How come those people who, were the results of mixing of blood after European arrival, claim to have more rights than the European who was here before them and.... if it wasn't for the European influence..they might not be here at all? I think the European decendants should have more rights than the Metis. If I can trace my ancestory back to pre-Metis times in North America, shouldn't my rights supercede theirs? Redd
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| revrnd | Jan 21 2013, 09:20 PM Post #50 |
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HBC was formed in 1670. The North West Co' began in 1779. So I imagine there was little or no contact w/ Europeans before 1670 in present day northern Ontario & western Canada. Peter C. Newman has written 2 books on the fur trade. A History of the Hudson Bay Company: Volume One: Company of Adventurers A History of the Hudson Bay Company: Volume Two: Caesars of the Wilderness |
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| CanuckShooter | Jan 22 2013, 12:09 PM Post #51 |
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""If I can trace my ancestory back to pre-Metis times in North America, shouldn't my rights supercede theirs?"" Is that why the Metis have rights? Or do they have rights because mainstream Canadian politicians recognized them as 'aboriginal' in our Constitution? |
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| reddfoxx | Jan 22 2013, 10:28 PM Post #52 |
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I think you are right about the constitution thing. But if Europeans have been here longer than the first Metis, (because Metis are a product of First Nations people and Euiropean) how come we lose out? This baffles me Redd |
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bushbuck
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Jan 23 2013, 09:24 AM Post #53 |
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I have some question. Who exactly review's and removes the posts? Are these people impartial, seeing past the rhetoric? Can they recognize discrimination to others, other then themselves? There are ways of answering around my questions but I am trying to be straight forward and hope the answer is honest enough. |
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Jan 23 2013, 09:31 AM Post #54 |
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I am sure the First Nation's people had a say in the Metis getting recognized in some similarities as the government understood and agreed. . |
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| Renegade | Jan 23 2013, 11:06 AM Post #55 |
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We try to be impartial when it comes to removing topics and posts. It has been a long long time since we have removed, edited or deleted anything on the forum. But it does come up from time to time. We have mods and admin here and we make these decisions as a group. We take this pretty seriously. We also have to temper moderation with a certain amount of allowable free speach. If you have an issue with any posts made on the forum and feel that they are racist then certainly pm any moderator or admin to look at this issue and provide you with an answer to your question. We can't be everywhere on the forum or see everything. Thanks for your feedback. |
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chessy
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Jan 23 2013, 11:47 AM Post #56 |
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This shows the double standards of policing in canada... i cant believe they said what they said with the cameras rolling could just imagine what they would have said or done when no cameras... i am very pro police but this is just f ing stupid http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feature...2#2109745140001 |
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| trophy | Jan 23 2013, 01:13 PM Post #57 |
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Actually Canuck Shooter, they are right ,Metis first got their rights because they were settled with traditional hunting areas before Canada was born. Now with the new ruling Metis people are now Indians. Settlers should get the same right to sustanance. |
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LeGrand
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Jan 23 2013, 03:59 PM Post #58 |
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a great-great-great aunt of mine was Indian, so that would make me Métis. Just can't prove it, since her maidem name was never recognised on her mariage certificate, except for "other person", by the then society officials (Catholic Church). Also the Aboriginal leader and their Society want her maidem name to justify it. Oh well! My mother is from France and her grand mother was a European Gypsie, and my Dad's Father and Mother lineage, go all the way back to Europe, that I have proof of. So I'm one kind of "mix". But still no rights "to argue freely". Go figure . Do I make sense? That might be the reason why I'm not allowed to protest in Public.
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Jan 23 2013, 10:02 PM Post #59 |
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The man with the PowerPoint presentation is miffed. He is speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in. "I can't stand people who are late," he says into the microphone. "Indian Time doesn't cut it." Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen: "My first rule for success is 'Show up on time.' My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1." "If your life sucks, it's because you suck." "Quit your sniffling." "Join the real world - go to school or get a job." "Get off of welfare. Get off your butt." He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does. "People often say to me, 'How you doin'?' Geez - I'm working with Indians - what do you think?" Now they are openly laughing ... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised - and more. "Our ancestors worked for a living," he says. "So should you." He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - "You'd be seen as a racist." Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country - even though he avoids national politics. He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad. Clarence Louie is chief - and CEO - of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration. In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there. The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any first nation in Canada. There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy. Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos pasted throughout the "Rez." He believes there is "no such thing as consensus," that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with. "Rent a plane," she told him, "and fly them all to Iraq. Dump 'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom." The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: Get involved, create jobs - and meaningful jobs, not just "window dressing" for the oil companies. "The biggest employer," he says, "shouldn't be the band office." He also says the time has come to "get over it." No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights. Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as "rocking-chair money" but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they "earn" - all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see "business manners" develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be "drive through," and then right back at it. "You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development," he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition. Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it - and, judging by the response, they loved it. "Eighty per cent like what I have to say," Louie says, "Twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it. Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again. Get some counselling.'" The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being "a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard" and wastes no time "running around fighting 100-year-old battles. "The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people. "Blaming government? That time is over." rmacgregor@globeandmail.com |
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| CanuckShooter | Jan 24 2013, 12:13 AM Post #60 |
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There is no point in debating the issue, Metis, Cree, Ojibway, Inuk, Carrier, Haida, Mohawk..Etc...all are 'aboriginal' under our Constitution (1982) and so are all their children, grand children, great great and greater grandchildren. And so are those that gained 'status' under old laws via marriage or adoption. Being Metis isn't only having aboriginal ancestry, it's also having ties to the historic Metis communities and families that were around when they formed the provisional government of Manitoba.... |
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| CanuckShooter | Jan 24 2013, 12:17 AM Post #61 |
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Doesn't necessarily make you Metis, want to prove it have a DNA test done that looks for aboriginal markers.....then you'll have proof that will stand up in court. :-) |
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Jan 24 2013, 08:25 AM Post #62 |
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| CanuckShooter | Jan 24 2013, 10:41 PM Post #63 |
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| Renegade | Apr 17 2014, 07:33 AM Post #64 |
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We should get a ruling today on the government appeal of the decision to recognize Canadians with mixed racial backgrounds with Indians as Indians. Hope some common sense shines through. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m%C3%A9tis-non-status-indians-await-crucial-rights-ruling-from-court-1.2612874 |
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Apr 17 2014, 09:42 AM Post #65 |
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To be a member of the Golden Lake band you only need 1/178 part blood of a native. I know a whole family that has there card from there, blue eyed and blonde. Go figure. |
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baydog
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Apr 19 2014, 04:11 PM Post #66 |
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There's more to being able to claim metis rights than most people know. The "Powley" test is the standard used for enforcement in ontario. Only a small portion of metis citizens can pass this and are subsequently granted harvesting rights. They include in addition to what Sam said the requirement that a metis person is descended from a traditional metis community that existed before european control and continues to exist today, and the person continues to have a connection to the community. Even then, harvesting rights will only apply in their traditional territory. For eg. A metis from Sault Ste. Marie cannot just come to Thunder Bay and hunt moose without the demonstrated historical connection to the fur trade, and historic metis community. Having said this, many people claim to be metis because they have native blood.........but they're mistaken and will be charged/convicted accordingly if caught. Edited by baydog, Apr 19 2014, 04:23 PM.
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