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Topic Started: May 29 2013, 08:29 AM (7,589 Views)
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Do you think the Harper government has done a good job?

I have been flamed for not being a supporter of the Harper reform party. Harper has dodged and weaved through scandal after scandal. The latest scandal is just another in a long line of scandals for the ultra right wing neocon government. Thiis time, they got caught however and they are trying to spin the most ridiculous lines to get out of it, all the while showing no sign of contrition and accountability. What it comes down to is Steven Harper's character, and it is left wanting. There is no doubt whatsoever that the control freak was the man behind the scenes who tried to whitewash the senate investigation. There is no doubt that he has done a lot of back room deals that thwart our demacracy. Without reservation I consider this government the worst in Canadian history.
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I agree. Everything from their negative TV bully ads against the opposition to the fact that Harper campaigned on cleaning up corrupt politicians and saying he would abolish the senate. I heard a clip on the radio from 2005 where he was debating with then Prime Minister Paul Martin about how poorly Martin was managing the budget because there was a surplus?!? WTF?

I don’t know if I would say this is the worst government ever but I am very disappointed with the accountability of this Prime Minister. Brian Mulroney was another one, taking $300,000 in cash for the airbus scandal, not claiming it, suing the liberal government for $2.1 million investigating him and then never having to pay back a penny or go to jail.

I’ve never been a fan of Justin Trudeau but the options are getting few. I will vote for the best candidate in my local riding.
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Yes, JT needs a lot of polishing but I am more interested in what ideas he brings to the table and what people he will surround himself with done the road. I actually think the NDP may be a good option the next federal election. I don't think they are as far left as they were in years past. We will have to wait and see in the next year or so.
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Harper does seems to be a crook to me - I even hated the look of him from day one, I don't agree with his stance on health care or the law, but those things don't directly affect me much, YET. But the conservatives won my vote based solely on the gun registry. The Liberals want a registry, and NDP want to ban Semi-autos - so they won't get my vote - EVER. Justin - Can't Stand Him, Mulcare - Don't like him.

So Its conservative for me - even though Harper is a crooked Politician, but no worse than any of the others, he just has the spot light on him, now that he is top dog.

I am sure every other candidate would be just as bad, if they were in his shoes.

The way I see it "I have to pick a crooked back stabbing piece of crap, cause every one of them are" so it may as well be the one who is going to give me what I want - (NO REGISTRY)

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Seriously? the worst government ever?
were talking hundreds of thausands of dollars, as opposed to the previous liberal sponsorship scandal hundreds of millions of dollars waste. Plus the hundreds of millions on the gun registry waste.

If i have ever seen a liberaly biased media witch hunt this is it.
Canada has made it through a world recesion better than anyone with the current party.
Not saying he's perfect, not saying I'd vote for him again.
if there is anything we should crucify him for its his enviromental track record.
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I think he's definitely the lesser of the evils. They're all crooks. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna vote for the crook that doesn't take my guns away. And like ambush said, i'm impressed with how they've taken us through this recession. It's bad enough living in a province run by liberals, last thing i wanna see is them running the country.
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What amazes me is how people who support other parties will call this government the worst in history when it has as much to do wioth thier political leanings as what has actually happened.

They are ALL disgusting. To say Stephen Harper is some kind of special bad is laughable. The liberals, the NDP, the green party politicians all represent thier own ideals but the system whihc is Parliament and politics in general is one in whihc they ALL share a special kind of "low life".

Honestly the list can be long for years of Liberal backroom shenigans as well. Shady deals, bad decisions, poor choices, questionalble integrity etc. etc.

Do we really think our own polticial party(whatevr that is), in a majority government, would be any different? If you do you are a special kind of stupiod and naive.

I hate 'em all but I'll criticize and applaud them equally and I am not disallusioned because I have small "c" conservative opinions that the big "C" conservatives are great all the time.

I am in the financial world and I can tell you that Canada was pretty impressive through the past 6 years of economic volaitlity. World Economic forum ranks our banking system #1. Forbes ranks Canada #1 to do business. Our taxes have gone down and defecit has been reduced.

Now I think he is a shady poltician. Proroguing parliament was a subversion of democracy....HEY!...didn't McQuinty do that too?!!!!

Independent, intelligent and knowledgable opinion is often lost to the blind and ignorant following of one political party and/or oppostion to one political party or poltician.

I have my issues with Harper but let me think of upcoming alternatives.....Trudea???? My gaaaawd.I am sure he would make a great music teacher for my kids. Would win the local toastmaster club contest everytime I am sure. Run a country? LOL....Angry Tom? Even worse! Mostly because thier politics are so much against what I believe to be good for the country but he has shown he's as much a poltician as Harper.


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May 29 2013, 10:20 AM
Seriously? the worst government ever?
were talking hundreds of thausands of dollars, as opposed to the previous liberal sponsorship scandal hundreds of millions of dollars waste. Plus the hundreds of millions on the gun registry waste.

Chicken feed compared to the hole this government is digging.

"Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice-president for the F-35 program, said just 18 months ago that Canada would pay $65 million per plane. Now, O'Bryan tells CBC News the price is $85 million."

Drones are the planes of the future. This is a mega waste of tax payer money. Many professionals in the aviation industry that have designed fighter planes in the past (F16) say the F35 is not a very good plane, no payload, limited range, and with new technology, it is no longer stealth.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2012-2013/2012/09/...ay-fighter.html

$288 Million to design arctic patrol ships based on an existing Norwegian design? That is not to build the ship, just to design it, you'll get a set of blueprints for that price. The Norwegians have actually designed and built their ships for 1/3 the price of what this government is paying just to design them.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/...blic-works.html
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why not put all the blunders out there? what party has the least, or cost the tax payers the least?

sure hope there isnt a sponsorship scandal, or a comment that could be seen as supporting sexual offenders, lets buy some submarines, or helicopters

lets do an actual account of who messed up the most and vote with the party who didnt mess up "that" bad
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May 29 2013, 01:04 PM
why not put all the blunders out there? what party has the least, or cost the tax payers the least?

sure hope there isnt a sponsorship scandal, or a comment that could be seen as supporting sexual offenders, lets buy some submarines, or helicopters

lets do an actual account of who messed up the most and vote with the party who didnt mess up "that" bad

LOL - NOOOO!

We would all be voting for the green party! - LOL

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May 29 2013, 02:27 PM
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May 29 2013, 01:04 PM
why not put all the blunders out there? what party has the least, or cost the tax payers the least?

sure hope there isnt a sponsorship scandal, or a comment that could be seen as supporting sexual offenders, lets buy some submarines, or helicopters

lets do an actual account of who messed up the most and vote with the party who didnt mess up "that" bad

LOL - NOOOO!

We would all be voting for the green party! - LOL

MC

LOL. It is pretty sad when you have to try and pick the lessor of three evils. I may have been a little emotional when I called the Harper government the worst ever but I can't think of a time in history that a government has shown so little respect and I can't think of a politician I dislike more than Harper. Maybe I am getting less tolerant as I age. The gun registry was the one of very few issues that I liked about the conservative government.
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Judging by our economies I would say the federal Conservatives are head and shoulders above the provincial Liberals. Mc Guinty has singlehandedly decimated our Provincial economy.
Pretty tough to argue that point!
Not sure Hudak is the guy we need but i'm willing to take a chance on him
over Norman Bates and his out of the closet replacement.
Every time I see Mcguinty I get the urge to box his ears.
He wanted to be remembered as the green premier.
Certainly not the first thing that comes to my mind when his name is mentioned.
You hit the nail on the head Rene. Pretty tough to figure out which one is the lesser of the three evils.


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May 29 2013, 01:04 PM
why not put all the blunders out there? what party has the least, or cost the tax payers the least?

sure hope there isnt a sponsorship scandal, or a comment that could be seen as supporting sexual offenders, lets buy some submarines, or helicopters

lets do an actual account of who messed up the most and vote with the party who didnt mess up "that" bad

LOL - NOOOO!

We would all be voting for the green party! - LOL

MC

LOL. It is pretty sad when you have to try and pick the lessor of three evils. I may have been a little emotional when I called the Harper government the worst ever but I can't think of a time in history that a government has shown so little respect and I can't think of a politician I dislike more than Harper. Maybe I am getting less tolerant as I age. The gun registry was the one of very few issues that I liked about the conservative government.

To each his own is my motto. I try to live it and breathe it. Want to jump off a bridge, knock yourself out, just don't take me or anyone else with you kind of thing.

I'm with Ontgobbler and yeah, it surprises me people are sooooooo against them.
Harper is many things, a number of them "not good". But he is effective and competent. Something we haven't had in a long, long time, nor do we have anywhere else.

Would you rather
Rob Ford?
McGuinty/Wynne? Who laid waste to Ont and are "lying" under oath (I didn't know the gas plants would cost us so much)
Bob Rae? or Jean Charest? See Corruption in Quebec.

Sadly Renegade, thats reality and the cards we are dealt. Politics and picking our leaders has been exactly that for most of my 50 year life..Who/when was the last leader you can remember otherwise?

Chretian? Who was as bad/worse than Harper personally (mean, arrogant, ruled with and iron thumb) and who came to power because...
Mcguinty who came to power because......

I think Id have to go back to the 70s or early 80s to find a leader elected because people "wanted" him versus not wanting "anyone else"

Even this "scandal" is and has been blown way out of proportion. That does not excuse what's occurred but put it into perspective and at the same time consider the facts ( personal cheque...what fool would try a cover up with a personal cheque during an audit) and also don't forget that the Cons are not alone in this.

Harb to, got wind of the findings before they were made public and quietly put his house up for sale. If you think JT or the liberals are any different, wouldn't he instead be making sound bytes about how its wrong for anyone to cheat tax payers and we would accountable, different.

Well guess he can't can he, especially given Harb is fighting the audit ( by deloiitte) findings...and guess what that will probably cost us another 200 or 300k.

The bigger problem or worded differently the root problem is the Senate and Cronyism ( lots of Lib cronies on it to). Change that and none of this is happening.

JTs response?
he doesn't want to abolish it because Quebec with 24 Senators would lose its advantage.

Well colour me surprised. Here he is with a golden opportunity to show us how he would be different, better and not only has he dropped the ball he's in the wrong court and pandering to Quebec like every Liberal leader before him.

Meanwhile the world turns and in the matters that "actually" affect "our" day to day lives, we have a pretty competent and effective PM.

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May 29 2013, 05:03 PM
Judging by our economies I would say the federal Conservatives are head and shoulders above the provincial Liberals. Mc Guinty has singlehandedly decimated our Provincial economy.

Agreed. How come there were not nearly as many corruption scandals 40 years ago? Has it gotten worse or is the news media just getting better at catching the crooks?

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I would have to say that Harper is not perfect. However, Harper promised to abolish the long gun registry and he did. All the accounatbility I need. The Liberals initiated the long gun registry and Harper abolished it.


Have a great day! :D :fudd:
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Question: Do I think the Harper Government has done a good job?
Answer: Good Job? No, Not Really.

Next Question: Which Party will I be voting for come next election?
Answer: Probably Conservatives.

Next Question: Why?
Answer: Because I prefer the devil I know to the Devil I don't know.

Next Question: Who do you think could do a better job as PM given the current candidates that will most likely run for the next election?
Answer: Nobody.

Next Question: What do you think about Justin Trudeaux, running for the next election?
Answer: Why not Ben Mulroney as Minister of Finance then? What a joke.
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I really dislike them all....and I mean REALLY.

But after all the scandals from the libs and conservatives, I still have to hold my nose and vote conservative. Despite the scandals, their platform and the MP from my riding are most inline with my beliefs.

I think a big issue right now is that we all have so much more access to information online than we have ever had before. It makes them look worse. We can all see what has been going on.

Right now I could not vote liberal or NDP. I am a white 38 year old man that makes a good salary and live in rural ontario. Those 2 parties do not value me as a citizen at all.

We all have our reasons for voting for who we like, or dislike least as the case may be. I think the big thing is that we all be involved, at the very least email your MP and tell them what you think on the issues as they impact you.

I do not care who you or anyone else votes for as long as they vote and keep themselves up to date on the goings on in our country. A lot of people fought and died for us and our rights over the years. And we still live in the best country in the world as far as I can see. I've been to a few different countries and keep up on world news. There is nowhere else I would want to live in the world, even with our issues today.
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May 30 2013, 06:36 PM
I really dislike them all....and I mean REALLY.


I don't like any of them either. They are all self serving and will say/do anything to get elected and to stay in office. Have you ever witnessed question period in the house of commons?? It brings stupidity to a new level!

I am really bothered by the arrogance (the belief that they have a devine right to rule), lack of transparency, the lying (the F-35 fiasco is a good example), the manipulation of the press, peroguing parliment, and lack of accountability. The problems seem to get worse if the governing party serves more than 2 terms. For that reason, we should have a law, similar to the US and Russia, that states that a leader can't serve more than 2 terms.

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As time goes on I realize that JT is more mature than our current neocon federal reform-alliance government. The continued attacks from spun news and conservatives to try and deflect attention away from the crimes commited by Harper are getting old. Most Canadian's can see through the lies. To start raising issues about traffic violations and JT's speaking fees is just plain pathetic and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I wonder how the Grace foundation really feels about the PMO's manipulation of the situation.
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Question: Do I think the Harper Government has done a good job?
Answer: Good Job? No, Not Really.

Next Question: Which Party will I be voting for come next election?
Answer: Probably Conservatives.

Next Question: Why?
Answer: Because I prefer the devil I know to the Devil I don't know.

Next Question: Who do you think could do a better job as PM given the current candidates that will most likely run for the next election?
Answer: Nobody.

Next Question: What do you think about Justin Trudeaux, running for the next election?
Answer:  Why not Ben Mulroney as Minister of Finance then? What a joke.

Here here agree totally..
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Harper got rid of the long gun registry and seems to be giving natives a hard time. I would rather see a senator get fat and rich than an indian stay in a tent and stay fat and lazy. :cheers:
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Well let's see now.
Justin Trudough has pretty well defined himself as a guy who will skip his day job of being an MP to go and do private speaking gigs instead. He will take money from charities and schoolboards with a smile. He also has taken money from unions to speak and then vigorously fought the union/labor reforms brought forward by the Conservatives. A suspicious mind might call that "payola" by the unions and other special interest groups. The man has a work record of teaching Drama in University. Not law, not business, not economics but rather how to pretend to be something and perform for an audience. No head hunter would ever even consider a guy with his limited background to be a candidate for senior management let alone be CEO of a company with tens of thousands of employess, budgets in the $ billions, it's own currency and an army. The fact that the Liberals chose this guy over a solid, intelligent and respected man like Marc Garneau ( who's an actual rocket scientist by the way) is bizarre. That people would feel that guy is capable and deserving of being PM truly scares me. Harper on the other hand is an Economist who started his working career in the mail room of an oil company and worked his way up to being elected PM 3 times. Other than his father's name and good looks Trudough has nothing to compare. He was handed everything in his life.
Tom Mulcair is likely the smartest guy in Ottawa right now but he is nothing but an oppurtunist. He is now a straw man for the BLOC and exists only for Quebec. Half his cabinet are seperatists collecting Federal paycheques.
Harper may not be a pretty boy or a touchy feely guy but I sure as hell want him in the room at the G8 or UN or EU or sitting across the Americans and Chinese during trade negotiations instead of that male model called Trudough. I don't care how nasty the CEO is I want him to steer the company in the right direction.
Look they are are all a bunch of narcissist ego maniacs butI'll vote for the guy who understands the fundamentals of being responsible for an economy. Trdough doesn't come close to that.
The Senate scandals only prove what Harper has said all along, that the Senate needs to be drastically reformed but it has always been blocked by the Liberals. Trudough put his foot in his mouth again recently when he said the Senate was disproportionately good for Quebec. The Senate has always been a digusting patronage house and if you were to go back 20 years and audit attendance and expenses Canadians would go bersek at the abuses in there by all partys.
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I will continue to vote for the party that best represents my values & interests! Our gun rights are basically static & safe with the current Conservative government. If a Lieberal or NDP government gets a majority, they have pledged to bring in much stricter gun control measure in the same class as England & Australia! That means goodbye to private ownership of handguns & semi-auto rifles & shotguns! Harper is a trained economist, and as much as people dislike him, he has guided Canada through a World recession. IMHO there is only one choice when voting; the Conservative party! Justin Trudeau & the Lieberals will just be a trainwreck waiting to happen! The say that this is the worst government in history is just naive IMHO.

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Harper is doing good with the economy? Choke. We didn't have a real estate bubble burst like in the US folks but guess what. We are sitting right on the edge of the bursting bubble. Home prices are poised for drastic fall. Commodities like oil have helped prop this country up. We should be even better off as country but we sell out our resources by allowing to many foreign companies to own our resources. Harper has approved many major takeovers like from China for example. We also give major corporations huge discounts in taxation. Harper has lowered the corporate tax rate to one of the lowest in the world. The idea is that these corporations will hire more workers and build factories here. Not working. Our debt has grown under Harper's reform party. Harper has been changing the political climate in Canada one omnibus bill at a time. Anyway, right now liberals have a lot of support nation wide. I doubt there is much the conservatives can now to change that before next election. Harper and his minions have lost the confidence of the vast majority of Canadians and even with a split vote on the left they have little chance of forming the next government. There is a very good chance things will get worse economically in Canada in the next few years and that will not be a good thing for Harper. I have a feeling there will be a lot more conservative scandals as well. What is a Canadian to do? :spinning:
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Not sure where you get your facts but Canada (and the guy who has been PM for the last 3 mandates ) are lauded as a success story in a world of global economic collapse. As for selling out natural resources you obviously don't understand what you are talking about. No resources have been sold out. What has been sold is exploitation rights. There is no deed to land transferred at all we still own the land and resources. Not that different than when a paper company logs off private property. The owner doesn't necesarily have the financial resources to harvest yet can still make money. What Harper has done is allow capital into the country to fund the exploitation of our resources. This is only done because we don't have enough Canadian companies with with the money to actually exploit these resources which create thousands of high paying jobs. The alternative is to sit on a pile of oil in hopes someday we can exploit it. By then the world may have progressed past the need for oil and it's value greatly diminished. These natural resources are at their peask in value during times of high demand so should we wait for another recession to flood the market with oil that has no demand? We are selling our goods now when we can get good money for them. When we finally get the proper pipelines in place we will further insulate ourselves from the American economy and be able to sell our oil to the world's growing economies instead of the deteriorating American one. Find me one credible think tank that says Canada is under performing compared to the rest of the world. We are the envy not the joke that Ontario has eroded into under Liberal rule.
The Liberals may still have a bump in the polls but every new leader has that. Even Iggy did and we all see how he did. He was an intellectual giant compared to Trudough. Polls are also a dangerous thing to invest in much. Ask the pundits and pollsters in BC about the validity of polling?
Harper is a respected world leader and an economist, Trudough is an actor. I know who I want in control of the money.
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Not sure where you get your facts but Canada (and the guy who has been PM for the last 3 mandates ) are lauded as a success story in a world of global economic collapse. As for selling out natural resources you obviously don't understand what you are talking about. No resources have been sold out. What has been sold is exploitation rights. There is no deed to land transferred at all we still own the land and resources. Not that different than when a paper company logs off private property. The owner doesn't necesarily have the financial resources to harvest yet can still make money. What Harper has done is allow capital into the country to fund the exploitation of our resources. This is only done because we don't have enough Canadian companies with with the money to actually exploit these resources which create thousands of high paying jobs. The alternative is to sit on a pile of oil in hopes someday we can exploit it. By then the world may have progressed past the need for oil and it's value greatly diminished. These natural resources are at their peask in value during times of high demand so should we wait for another recession to flood the market with oil that has no demand? We are selling our goods now when we can get good money for them. When we finally get the proper pipelines in place we will further insulate ourselves from the American economy and be able to sell our oil to the world's growing economies instead of the deteriorating American one. Find me one credible think tank that says Canada is under performing compared to the rest of the world. We are the envy not the joke that Ontario has eroded into under Liberal rule.
The Liberals may still have a bump in the polls but every new leader has that. Even Iggy did and we all see how he did. He was an intellectual giant compared to Trudough. Polls are also a dangerous thing to invest in much. Ask the pundits and pollsters in BC about the validity of polling?
Harper is a respected world leader and an economist, Trudough is an actor. I know who I want in control of the money.

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Ya Rene sorry but I really think your crying about the wrong stuff. You have to realize or maybe travel a little and see what's happening around the world. Canadians are so I solvated from the real world problems right now, and its because we really are in good hands and they have done a great job keeping us afloat in literally a world economic downfall. Some of your post I don't think is actually fact and more just here say. And as a hunter and gun owner I would hope you would support our honest to god last hope. As much as people don't think it's true. If liberals or ndp ever ever have majority... Our lives as gun owners will change.

I own hunting rifles but also sporting like black rifles. And intend to own more. But realistically within next term or or two liberals will take office back. And me a law abiding tax payer will lose his right to own some of my guns. But my law abiding tax paying dollars will go to a crack smoking animal with like 6 poor kids to feed them.

I always make fun of Americans how they claim their political party of choice like its a nationality. But now I'm doing the same. Conservatives can put a donkey in the race I would vote just to not put liberals in place.

Liberals just want to give and give and give. Who's paying for all this generous giving. If we're just gonna give well hell why am I going to work so hard. Ill stay home give to me too. Conservatives are creating more jobs so these people in poor communities can work and get themselves out of it. Liberals want to just give them money so they continue to stay home and breed more liberal voters.
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Let's just see how Harper's economic action plan works out for us in the next few years. I'm not worried about my hunting heritage with a Liberal or NDP government. Chago, I am not wet behind the ears. Been around a time or two and have been following the Canadian and world economy many years. The great thing is we all have opinions. I listen to yours, you listen to mine. Terry, the government you laud so frequently and with fervor hasn't had a very good track record have they? It seems like almost every day there is news of botched deals, wasted money, cronyism, and general malaise on the part of our neocon reform party of Canada. They talk about reducing government but instead Harper has increased the size of government in many cases. They can't even account for all the money they spend. What happened to the 3.1 billion in anti-terror funding? The last liberal government at least brought us balanced budgets, the Clarity Act and a refusal to follow the Americans’ lead on Iraq. What has Harper done? He promised to end the culture of entitlement that pervaded previous governments. Instead, some of Harper’s senators and ministers have embraced that culture with relative impunity. The prime minister also vouched to restore accountability to government. Instead, he has presided over fuzzy budgets and set up shop in a way to obscure rather than inform and enlighten. The auditor general himself has trouble following the money through the federal system these days. The prime minister defines the character of the government and character is ultimately what voters base their judgment on, Harper is left wanting. So goes the reform party experiment. Fail.
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Rene read up on some of baby Trudy gun plans. Yes your right your tikka is fine. How about our semi autos? Just cause your guns are not effected don't turn your back on us who have these types of guns. As gun owners we need to be together and realistically were really bad at that. Hence how the rcmp keep making one gun after another prohibited. Actually right now as we speak the Swiss arms rifle may very well have gone from non restricted to prohibited by this weekend. Conservatives are actually trying to fight the rcmp on this. But they may lose due to a rule that liberals made which is the gun classification. Rcmp law states if a gun is a "variant" of a prohibited gun it to is prohibited. Variant is a awfully vague term. And they have used it since 1995 to remove many guns one at a time. Problem is black gun lovers are much smaller then hunters. So again as a one were divided into deer hunters, duck hunters, long range shooters, black rifle shooters, upland bird shooters etc. you must agree conservatives have been the only party to really help gun owners. Libersls in the past have ignored issues or added long gun registrys. Because hey we don't need to solve problems in our gang communities. No we will just give them money to eat and buy illegal guns. While all you rich old man who shoot at the range. Ya were gonna make stiffer laws for you. You've owned guns for 49 years without killing anyone but we better watch you close cause your due to kill someone soon.

Sorry maybe my opinions are to strongly based on my love for guns. But I come from a immigrant family who knew nothing but to work for everything. I live a very similar life. In this beautiful country everyone has free education. I have the same opportunity that any other kid I went to school with had, no matter what neighbourhood they came from. As a matter of fact if anything I was at a disadvantage because my parents made over a certain amount so I didn't qualify for any government funding for post secondary. But those "less fortunate" all could have. But chose not too. I unfortunately think Canada's conservative is really just a hardly conservative liberal. But better then our extreme liberal liberals. I'm a firm believer in earning for yourself and I just don't feel the liberals see eye to eye with me. Quite honestly nor do our conservatives but at least they are a little. Yes politics everyone has their opinion. But it would take some serious changes for me to side with liberals. Forget the two subjects I brought up above there are another 20 I could think of which I won't get into.

I still think you need to reevaluate harpers efforts in this era he served in. Can you honestly believe and you and I both know liberals are a spending government. Not all bad spending but are more for spending. Do you believe that spending would have got Canada through this era? Greece??? USA???? This is a time for conservatism everywhere. Cause again what we call conservatism today is almost illegaly liberal not too many years ago. Sorry I guess I'm just old school.
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First of all Martin did not have a surplus. What he did was drain money from the EI fund which the courts have ruled as illegal. Secondly Martin/Cretien did not govern during a global recession. Virtually no democracy was able to avoid running deficits during this last meltdown. What did happen is Iggy the then Liberal leader tried to force Harper into spending more than double what he did on stimulus spending. So, you're going to have to pick one here. Is Harper incompetent because he ran a deficit during a global recession or is he an idiot for not having run twice as big as per Liberal demands? Strangely Iggy chastised him for not spending enough then he chastised him for running a deficit?

Next thing the 3.1 Billion. This was clearly stated to be an internal accounting issue that went as far back as the Cretien regimes. The accounting rules set in place by Cretien are what caused that. There was no money stolen like for example "ADSCAM" it was merely not accounted properly as per audit rules. The money never left the treasury for non governmental expenditures.That attempt at creating a scandal by the media never went anywhere because the Liberals were also implicated. It died within days.

Anybody who is a gun owner in this country that would vote Liberal is in for the worst nightmare they can imagine once the liberals get back in ( and they will eventually) They will bring in draconian laws to punish us and we may not recouperate in our lifetimes.

Harper is in his third mandate and they are getting cocky and just had two months of screwups. Nobody can deny that but he has 2 years left to govern and a month is an eternity in politics so don't count him out next election. He is far from perfect but the alternatives are dangerous. I love my kids too much to screw them like the liberals will do.
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I agree. And I'll say it again. No matter what party you support you have to take your hat off to Harper. Canadians don't even realize it which is a testament to how good he really did. In this era there was no room for economic growth to measure a leaders success during a term. The last 8 years or so will basically be who made their country survive. Canada is doing great if you compare it to every single other country in the g8.
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I will acknowledge one thing: the Harper government has done well bringing us through this recession. But one success doesn't make up for countless failures on the part of the Conservative government.

They ran a political campaign on transparency and accountability in government, and what did we get? A government that shamelessly used loopholes in the Access to Information Act to prevent our media from doing their job.

They branded themselves as fiscally conservative, but instead they spent unfathomable dollars on fighter planes and Conservative endorsements disguised as informative updates for the public (Canada Action Plan advertisements).

They also conveniently downsized Statistics Canada and eliminated the national census. The result? We can no longer effectively track the performance of our country, provinces, and members of our society.

This government has also shamelessly done away with environmental protection. The dismantling of the Fisheries Act is probably the most alarming to date, and this will prove to have huge consequences for our fisheries resources as well as our wildlife. That's OK though, because this government knew that it can win over the outdoorsmen and women of this country based on just one issue... Gun registration. It appears that everything comes at a cost. When we look at what anglers and hunters lost versus gained, I don't think that we came out ahead. Gun (registration) valued over the health of the fish and wildlife we pursue? Sounds like a bad trade to me.

Go for it Chago. Keep your 'black guns' for target shooting. With the decay of our wildlife resources, target shooting may become the only use for our firearms.
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I will acknowledge one thing: the Harper government has done well bringing us through this recession. But one success doesn't make up for countless failures on the part of the Conservative government.

They ran a political campaign on transparency and accountability in government, and what did we get? A government that shamelessly used loopholes in the Access to Information Act to prevent our media from doing their job.

They branded themselves as fiscally conservative, but instead they spent unfathomable dollars on fighter planes and Conservative endorsements disguised as informative updates for the public (Canada Action Plan advertisements).

They also conveniently downsized Statistics Canada and eliminated the national census. The result? We can no longer effectively track the performance of our country, provinces, and members of our society.

This government has also shamelessly done away with environmental protection. The dismantling of the Fisheries Act is probably the most alarming to date, and this will prove to have huge consequences for our fisheries resources as well as our wildlife. That's OK though, because this government knew that it can win over the outdoorsmen and women of this country based on just one issue... Gun registration. It appears that everything comes at a cost. When we look at what anglers and hunters lost versus gained, I don't think that we came out ahead. Gun (registration) valued over the health of the fish and wildlife we pursue? Sounds like a bad trade to me.

Go for it Chago. Keep your 'black guns' for target shooting. With the decay of our wildlife resources, target shooting may become the only use for our firearms.

Harper wasn't PM when the Liberals along with a consortium of of allied countries selected the F-35. Am I convinced it's the best plane no not really but I'm not an Aeronautical engineer nor fighter pilot, I'll that up to the experts.

Your credit card company has more personal info about you than Stats Canada will ever need. They have not done away with the cencus they only did away with the draconian penelties that were on the books. Downsizing is going to happen in "every" government from Federal down to municipal. The bubble has burst, the taxpayers can't give anymore. In this world of information technology costly overstaffed fiefdoms are now redundant. The census is just data collection and can be done more effeciently now with less people.

What exactly in the changes made to the fisheries act concern you? So far other than people who would contest the government on just about anything I haven't heard of any negative consequences in fact it is never in the media. But then again I am not a commercial fisherman operating on Federal jurisdiction waterways. But am open to to examples, I just don't have any. I know the first nations complained about changes but frankly what I have seen from that group in terms of stewardsip of the environment and wildlife pretty well removes them from a credible discussion or opinion. Just watch the seagulls pick off all the non commercial fish they throw away when reeling in gill nets. How often do they even come close to abiding by MNR harvest quotas on the great lakes? Not sure Harper is the biggest threat to the fishery. Have you ever read about what the Portugese and Japanese do to fish stocks?
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My problem with this government is it is trading off our ressources to other countries,I have heard the argument that it is better to exploit them and create jobs and prosper and Canada is ahead, well where we are not ahead is how these corporations from other countries that purchase our ressources and establish their companies turn around and create a model that runs counter the principle that proud Canadian and even North American companies for years have ran in Canada. The Canadian worker suffers and my profession as a underground miner has sufffered. The model of the Conservative Party of Canada allows big foreign corporation to capture big government and to deregulate in which the manner the Canadian worker is treated and also compromises our safety standards and when you are working 8000 feet underground that is huge. We recently had a strike and the party that is being praised here and thrown accolades not just ignored although villafied the Canadian worker threw us under the bus . This is politics everyone is going to have their opinion, the issue that sticks in my crawl is someone saying that I have to tip my hat off to this party or Stephen Harper. I do not want to lose my heritage as a Canadian outdoorsmen although I do not want to lose my dignity or safety standards as a hard working Canadian. So forgive me if I do not take my hat off to Sir Stephen Harper.
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My problem with this government is it is trading off our ressources to other countries,I have heard the argument that it is better to exploit them and create jobs and prosper and Canada is ahead, well where we are not ahead is how these corporations from other countries that purchase our ressources and establish their companies turn around and create a model that runs counter the principle that proud Canadian and even North American companies for years have ran in Canada. The Canadian worker suffers and my profession as a underground miner has sufffered. The model of the Conservative Party of Canada allows big foreign corporation to capture big government and to deregulate in which the manner the Canadian worker is treated and also compromises our safety standards and when you are working 8000 feet underground that is huge. We recently had a strike and the party that is being praised here and thrown accolades not just ignored although villafied the Canadian worker threw us under the bus . This is politics everyone is going to have their opinion, the issue that sticks in my crawl is someone saying that I have to tip my hat off to this party or Stephen Harper. I do not want to lose my heritage as a Canadian outdoorsmen although I do not want to lose my dignity or safety standards as a hard working Canadian. So forgive me if I do not take my hat off to Sir Stephen Harper.

You don't have to tip your hat to Harper. You probably have perfectly valid concerns although I'm not sure they are all Federal jurisdiction, dunno maybe they are. This is a parliamentary democracy everybody is entitled to an opinion and a bias. Vote for what best serves you just understand and that sometimes you will lose. I personally hate the Provincial Liberals. Hopefully enough people agre with me and we can boot them next election although I doubt it. They now have a defacto majority with the NDP coalition.
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What exactly in the changes made to the fisheries act concern you? So far other than people who would contest the government on just about anything I haven't heard of any negative consequences in fact it is never in the media. But then again I am not a commercial fisherman operating on Federal jurisdiction waterways. But am open to to examples, I just don't have any.

This may be more appropriate for an independent thread, but here it is anyways.

The original Fisheries Act forbids the "harmful alteration, disruption or destruction of fish habitat." The key here is habitat. In this case, habitat is defined as any feature used for the survival and reproduction of fish. This includes non-game fish and fish that aren't currently 'used' by humans. The strength of this act is that it prevents the deposition of any harmful substance into fish habitat (including industrial chemicals, silt etc.).

Our waterways are all under federal jurisdiction.


The amended version, which has not yet taken effect, only forbids SERIOUS HARM to fish that are economically, culturally, or ecologically valuable. Here, serious harm to fish means the "death of fish or any permanent alteration to, or destruction of, fish habitat." Note here that FISH means only those fishes that are "...economically, culturally, or ecologically valuable." What they consider 'ecologically valuable' to be is unclear. Also note the phrase, 'permanent alteration'. So activities that negatively affect fish habitat but not 'permanently' are now permitted.

In its current form, this amendment can be put into effect at the whim of the Cabinet.

In effect, the amendments to the act (which mind-you were passed as a result of an omnibus bill without public consultation) are watering down the protection of our fish and fisheries. It's a novel approach: let's protect fish without protecting their habitat. You be the judge of whether this makes any sense.

see for more info: http://www.ecojustice.ca/files/fisheries-act
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Go for it Chago. Keep your 'black guns' for target shooting. With the decay of our wildlife resources, target shooting may become the only use for our firearms.

Most fish and wildlife management is Provincial jurisdiction Other than possibly the migratory act I'm not sure how Harper is involved with what you hunt and fish for in Ontario. Point your finger at the McWynnty government for that.
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." Note here that FISH means only those fishes that are "...economically, culturally, or ecologically valuable." What they consider 'ecologically valuable' to be is unclear. t[/URL]

"Ecologically valuable" pretty well covers anything in an ecosystem. Everything depends on a lower form of life for survival so it looks to me that the wording isn't singling out any species to be written off.
Your concerns are quite valid and I'm sure there will be enough eyes on this file to keep the Cons on the right path.[
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