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Point your finger at the McGuinty government for that.

Fortunately, I don't find myself to be an ideologue, so I don't discriminate when it comes to political affiliations. The McGuinty government is getting plenty of criticism from me. Wildlife management is one of them for me, while there are other aspects of their governance that I am very supportive of.

Again, give criticism and praise where it is deserved. I'm quite impressed with the conservative government's position on increasing the retirement age. It wasn't a popular decision, but I feel that it was the correct decision.
What I do know, is that I could never support the federal conservative party in its current form. They have tunnel vision when it comes to economic growth, and the environment ALWAYS takes a back seat. This applied even when we weren't in a recession. To me, that is their biggest fault. Their social programs (e.g. increased mandatory sentence periods without increased social support programs) are a close second.

We will see how the fisheries act issue plays out. Unfortunately, our society also has their blinders on right now. With our uncertain economic future, few people are focusing their attention on these sort of environmental issues.
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The deal of the sale of INCO METALS was signed sealed and delivered by Stephen Harper. This deal should have been transparent in nature for every Canadian to view Federal level and no matter what level of government we are talking about here Terry M the common denominator is always the Conservative Party of Canada choose big corporation over the Canadian worker. Tony the geek Clement said this during the strike that we as the workers in Sudbury for Vale should be thankful that Vale purchased INCO METALS and that if they did not we in the Sudbury basin it would be the Valley of Death all this said when other companies like Canadian mining company Teck Cominco and a possible merger between INCO METALS and FALCONBRIDGE metals were all enter taining thoughts of purchasing Inco Metals during the sale. Our ressources in the Sudbury basin were they going to vanish into thin air? We were not talking about a automotive industry going through hard times we were talking about a community rich in nickel,copper and precious metals . This is the ideology of a politician that sees things from the corporation side and that is the model of the Conservative Party of Canada and also might give Tony Clement a future for the republican party in the US with that sort of intellectual sluggisheness LOL.
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Not disputing what you are saying about ownership. Really don't know anything about that deal. Tell me how Harper signed that deal? Again i have no knowledge about it at all, just asking.What i was referring to was the claim that safety standards were compromised by Harper. Pretty sure that is a provincial jurisdiction.
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Here is some info on how the Canadian worker is represented by the Conservative Party of Canada.
Sudbury mayor responds to industry minister's 'Valley of Death' comment


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Sudbury Mayor John Rodriguez (left) and federal Industry Minister Tony Clement.




Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement is receiving a backlash from Sudbury's mayor and local MP's after comments he made to a local news source.

“There was going to be no buyer, there were going to be no jobs, there weren't going to be any capital investments, there was going to be no employer. That was the Valley of Death Sudbury faced,” Clement said in response to United Steelworkers international president Leo Gerard.

Gerard said the Canadian government let Sudburians down by not forcing Vale Inco to live up to commitments it made when purchasing Inco.

Sudbury Mayor John Rodriguez responded publicly by letter stating, “I find your (Clement's) remarks intemperate, to say the least, and disappointingly misinformed for someone who holds a Cabinet position and who is the federal minister responsible for economic development in Northern Ontario.”

The mayor stated the city is far from becoming a “Valley of Death,” with world-class mineral wealth and that prior to the sale of Inco, interest was expressed from not only Vale, but international mining giants Phelps Dodge and Xstrata plc.

Rodriguez defended the city's economic situation, stating the city is a mining innovation think-tank and has the most highly skilled mining workforce in the world. He also cited the most recent unemployment statistics that show the city to be below the provincial average.

“Minister, I cannot stress strongly enough that Greater Sudbury is not a backwater mining camp, but an industrious city with a very diversified local economy,” Rodriguez wrote.

He invited Clement to visit Sudbury to show industries he says are important for economic diversification of the city.

Local NDP MP's were also quick to respond to Clement's remarks.
Nickel Belt MP Claude Gravelle, who is also the NDP's mining critic, said the government has a hidden agenda with this issue.

“This minister has his head stuck in the sand and I'm asking for his resignation,” he said. “Inco has always been a very viable operation and you would think Clement might do a little research before making such a ridiculous statement.”

“Clement should be ashamed of himself for making comments like this during a labour dispute,” said Sudbury MP Glenn Thibeault. “Instead of providing assistance, he is willing to sell out Sudbury.”




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Sorry for my ignorance here but wasn't Inco a foreighnly owned mining company? So one foreignly owned private company sold to another foreighnly owned mining company on the open market right? So how again has this been the fault of the government? Not trying to be smart at all here just trying to get a grip on what this sale/transaction all entitled and how the government is involved? I definitely see how Clement's comments are ignorant but he never impressed me anyway but how was he involved in a transaction between 2 publicly traded companies? Is this the company that had been on strike for months? Again I apoligize for not not knowing about this but truthfully it's not something we see in the news much unless you are up Sudbury way.
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It was American owned so you are right it is foreign although I worked for both owners and I can assure you that it is night and day who I work for now. With some companies there seems to be a clash of cultures they seem to want to manage their Canadian operations like they run their operations elsewhere in other countries sometimes like a third world country. Our strike lasted one year i was able to find work else where during this period although many suffered and they say your true colours shine how you treat people at their weakest moments well I have seen how I and my co -workers were treated by the Conservative Party of Canada. Does the politicians not owe the Canadian people what kind of net benefit that they are getting for Canada does our government not owe to look into potential buyers takeovers and do their homework on them. Terry M are you saying that government can not stop sales and takeovers of corporations here in Canada?
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I don't think there are too many cases where the government has the right to tell one company who they can sell to. Obviously these weren't Canadian owned anymore and likely the previous sale happened under Liberal rule. At some point you have to stop blaming the government for what private industry does.
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Yes I should because they are so honest, I will post these 2 articles and I will be done. This the conservative government at its best. These two articles same timeframe same year same month, big government looking out for big corporation.

Canada Blocks BHP's $40 Billion Bid for Potash Corp.

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Canada blocked BHP Billiton Ltd.’s $40 billion hostile bid for Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan Inc., saying a sale of the world’s largest fertilizer company wouldn’t provide a “net benefit” to the country.

BHP has 30 days to appeal, at which point the government will make a final decision, according to a statement read by Industry Minister Tony Clement today in Ottawa. He declined to give additional reasons for his ruling. Potash Corp. dropped 5.1 percent after the close of regular trading in New York.





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Nov. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Peter Rudd, group director at Balnave Capital talks about Canada's decision to block BHP Billiton Ltd.'s $40 billion hostile takeover bid for Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan Inc. BHP has 30 days to appeal, at which point the government will make a final decision, according to a statement read by Industry Minister Tony Clement today in Ottawa. Rudd speaks from Melbourne with Susan Li on Bloomberg Television's "First Up." (Source: Bloomberg)
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The decision by Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government, which has sought to attract foreign investment, marks only the second formal rejection of a takeover in Canada in the past 25 years. The government came under pressure from the province of Saskatchewan, which argued Potash Corp.’s sale would cut jobs and tax revenue and surrender control of an important resource.

“I would have expected BHP to put everything on the table to avoid getting a negative decision,” Mark Nicholson, a Toronto-based lawyer at Cassels Brock & Blackwell who specializes in Canada’s foreign-investment rules, said in an interview. “I doubt they would have kept a big carrot in their pocket to whip it out now. If they do, it better be a whopper.”

BHP is “disappointed” with Canada’s rejection of its bid, will continue to work with the government and will review its options, the company said in a filing. BHP’s bid is still “wholly inadequate,” Potash said in a statement in response to the government’s decision.

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Potash Corp. shares fell 4.9 percent to $138.30 in after- hours trading as of 8 p.m. in New York, higher than the $130-a- share offer from Melbourne-based BHP, the world’s largest mining company. BHP rose 3.1 percent to A$43.96 at 10:27 a.m. in Sydney, the highest in almost six months.

The Australian dollar rose to the strongest in more than six years against its Canadian counterpart after the announcement. The Australian currency climbed to C$1.0183, the most since April 2004.

The cost of protecting BHP bonds from default dropped the most in more than four months. Credit-default fell 15 basis points to 82 basis points as of 9:05 a.m. in Sydney, according to Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd. prices. That’s the biggest drop since June 18 and the lowest level since Aug. 17, prices from data provider CMA show.

The BHP deal would be Canada’s largest takeover since Vivendi SA’s $46.1 billion purchase of Seagram Co. in 2000.

Russian Plan

“Shareholders of Potash Corp. are the main losers in this decision, at least in the short-term,” Chris Damas, a Barrie, Ontario-based analyst with BCMI Research, said in an e-mail. “I don’t believe we should be running to the federal government for protection when someone comes trying to buy our biggest companies.”

Potash Corp. has said it would seek other offers. Russia asked local fertilizer makers to consider a joint bid, according to OAO Acron, the nation’s third-largest producer of nitrogen soil nutrients. Acron told the Russian government it wouldn’t join the plan after receiving a letter from the Industry and Trade Ministry on Nov. 1 proposing a combined bid, Chairman Alexander Popov said today by telephone in Moscow.

Under the Investment Canada Act, the federal government can block any transaction valued at C$299 million ($296 million) or more if it finds the deal doesn’t provide a “net benefit” to the country.

1,637 Approvals

Canada has reviewed and approved 1,637 applications between June 30, 1985, the year the legislation was enacted, and Sept. 30 this year, according to government data. The other deal to be rejected was Alliant Techsystems Inc.’s 2008 bid for MacDonald Dettwiler & Associates Ltd.’s space business.

BHP has taken out full-page advertisements in newspapers to argue its case. The company said it would make Saskatchewan home to its head office for potash operations, continue developing its C$12 billion Jansen potash mining project in the province, maintain current employment levels and propose a Canadian nominee for election to its board.

BHP also offered Saskatchewan a “special deal” to offset the C$3 billion of tax revenue the province estimated it would lose over 10 years if the takeover were allowed to proceed, Andrew Mackenzie, head of BHP’s non-ferrous businesses, said in an Oct. 22 interview.

“If you walk away from a proposition like this you are starting to send a signal that you’re not open for business,” Mackenzie said at the time. “You will make it harder in the future to attract capital both into Saskatchewan and Canada and you will make it harder for Canadian companies to invest overseas.”

Previous Acquisitions

Harper’s Conservative Party holds 13 of 14 electoral districts in Saskatchewan and any loss there in a future election would push it further away from a parliamentary majority. The party holds 142 of the 308 seats in the House of Commons, 12 short of a majority.

Some of Canada’s largest natural-resource companies have been acquired by foreign buyers in the past decade. In 2006, Switzerland’s Xstrata Plc made a successful hostile bid for nickel producer Falconbridge Ltd. while Brazil’s Vale SA agreed to buy miner Inco Ltd. London-based Rio Tinto Group bought aluminum producer Alcan Inc. in 2007.

U.S. Steel Corp. was sued by the Canadian government last year for failing to meet investment commitments it made in 2007 when it acquired steelmaker Stelco Inc.

The bid for Saskatoon-based Potash Corp. is the third multibillion-dollar transaction in two years that BHP Chief Executive Officer Marius Kloppers has failed to complete.

BHP aborted a proposed hostile bid for London-based Rio Tinto Group, the world’s third-largest mining company, in 2008 as commodity and financial markets plunged. BHP and Rio on Oct. 18 said they scrapped a plan to combine Australian iron-ore operations because of opposition by regulators in Asia and Europe.

To contact the reporter on this story: Christopher Donville in Vancouver at cjdonville@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Simon Casey at scasey4@bloomberg.net


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Nov 2010 Vale wants to break into potash mining in Saskatchewan.By Craig Wong, The Canadian Press, thecanadianpress.com, Updated: November 17, 2010 4:00 PM
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Vale's smelter complex is pictured in Copper Cliff, Ontario on Wednesday November 17, 2010. Vale SA, the Brazilian miner which owns nickel producer Inco, is investing $10 billion to expand its Canadian business, a spending jump approved after it settled the longest strike in the history of Inco operations in northern Ontario. THE CANADIAN PRESS/ Gino Donato
Vale SA, the Brazilian miner which owns nickel producer Inco, is investing $10 billion to expand its Canadian business, a spending jump approved after it settled the longest strike in the history of Inco operations in northern Ontario.

Vale, which had been criticized by critics of Canada's foreign investment rules for its handling of the bitter strike in Sudbury, Ont., said Wednesday it will spend $10 billion over the next five five years on numerous capital projects.

The company plans to boost copper production, upgrade nickel operations, install new emissions cleanup technology, and develop its domestic potash business in Saskatchewan.

The $10-billion investment will also see Vale grow its operations in Sudbury and on the East Coast, but cut 500 jobs in Thompson, Man., as the company phases out refining and smelting there by 2015.

Vale said the new investment reflects what it sees as "a bright future" for the company in Canada. It also follows a settlement last summer of the longest strike ever at its Ontario mining operations, which it acquired with the $19 billion purchase of Inco Ltd. in 2006.

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That strike badly hurt the industrial northern Ontario city and led to calls on Ottawa to crack down on the foreign companies who bought Inco, Falconbridge, Alcan, Stelco and others in a wave of consolidation that began about five years ago.

The pressure reached its peak recently when Anglo-Australian miner BHP Billiton offered nearly $40 billion for Saskatchewan's PotashCorp (TSX:POT) in an attempt to buy the world's biggest potash producer in a hostile takeover.

Growing political and business opposition to that deal helped persuade Ottawa to block the planned takeover of a "strategic" Canadian resource and BHP Billiton decided to abandon its offer.

"It is important to show that Vale is committed to its Canadian operations and it is also showing that we want to preserve our assets," Tito Martins, chief executive of Vale Canada, said in an interview.

Martins said the investment was made possible in part by the labour agreement in Sudbury signed earlier this year after an almost year-long strike.

"We kept saying during the whole labour dispute that we needed a stable environment and a clear future in terms of profitability to be able to come up with our plans," he said.

Wayne Fraser, the United Steelworkers' district director for Ontario and Atlantic Canada that represents the Vale workers in Sudbury, called the investment plans good news overall.

"Sudbury is alive and well and will continue to be alive and well and make oodles of money because of the work our members do each and every day," he said.

However Fraser noted things at Sudbury remain difficult since the miners returned to work and the union remains on strike at the Voisey's Bay mine in northeastern Labrador.

"If they spent as much time and commitment on improving our workplaces to bring about more dignity and respect for our members and their employees I think it would be a much stronger and more effective organization," he said.

Vale said it is looking at growing copper production by 100,000 tonnes in Ontario and spending upwards of $3 billion to build a new Saskatchewan potash mine.

It is evaluating a 2.9-million-tonne project in Saskatchewan that could create some 500 jobs once in operation. The project is currently in the pre-feasibility stage, with board approval expected in 2012.

"We see the future as a brighter one when you talk about fertilizer," Martins said.

The possibility of a new potash mine comes as demand for the key fertilizer ingredient continues to grow as farmers around the world look to increase crop yields and companies look to capitalize on that demand.

Vale has been producing potash in Brazil for about 14 years, but set its sight on becoming a major global player in the arena about three years ago.

Since then, the company has grown the business through acquisitions including the Rio Colorado project in Argentina and the Regina project in Saskatchewan from Rio Tinto for $850 million as part of a larger $1.6-billion asset purchase.

The company bought the largest fertilizer producer in Brazil earlier this year.

Although Vale's Canadian operations have been primarily involved in nickel production ever since the Brazilian company bought Inco, it has a widely diversified global mining businesses.

Included in the package Wednesday was the previously announced $2.8-billion Long Harbour facility in Newfoundland and Labrador that will process nickel from the Voisey's Bay mine.

But Martins said the remainder is made up of new projects or others the company hopes to approve.

About one-third of the money, $3.4 billion, will be spent to upgrade mining and processing operations in Ontario — the traditional centre of Inco's global nickel business.

The money includes $200 million for improvements at its Clarabelle Mill, $360 on its Totten mine and $2 billion to reduce emissions from its operations in the Sudbury region.

Despite the new investment plans, it was not all good news for Canada as the company said it will close its nickel smelter and refinery in Manitoba by 2015, a move that will see its workforce in the province cut from about 1,500 to roughly 1,000 people.

Martins said the company will work with the community over the next five years to minimize the economic impact as it shifts its focus in Manitoba to developing new sources of ore to be mined and milled in the province.

"The idea is let's grow in mining," Martins said in an interview. "What we want to do over the next five years is work together with our employees, with the local authorities and even the federal authorities."

"The mines there are very important for us, so we need to find out ways to keep the city alive."

To that end, Vale said it would pursue development at its Thompson 1-D and Pipe-Kipper deposits in Manitoba. The 1-D Project is in the pre-feasibility stage and could see an investment of more than $1 billion.

Vale said the move was necessary because of a shortage of ore mined locally to feed the smelter and refinery and new emission standards expected to come into force in 2015.

The new standards will require a reduction in airborne emissions of about 88 per cent from current levels, a standard the company said it cannot practically meet.
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The PC's pale in comparison to the scandals in quebec, every politician and engineer and cleark planner etc was on the take ans most are probably still tied to the mafia, coroked hells angels linked to construction companies. SNC lavalin the worst of them all.

I will continue to vote PC as I owe them for the gun registry being disolved. The city folk would starve to death in a minute if some sort of economic collapse occurred, then they would be killing house cats for snacks.

I myself would take my extensive stocks backup materials, my traps, my hides and head for the hills and live the life of Riley.
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The current government is not perfect. No government is. We can go through years and years of government screw-ups with any party sitting at the helm. The fact is, government is too large. Too many departments to keep track of. Too many bureaucrats. I'm one that is angered as reducing the size of government was one of the CPC's mandates, yet, it has done the opposite. It is only now that the government is cutting back, however, it will have to cut back to where it was pre-2006 and go further to fulfill what was originally promised.

No one I know involved in investing in any way, many with many years of experience, wants a different government than the one currently sitting. It has its faults, but it's the one the business community wants at the helm.

I have noticed that a few people have brought up the F-35 program as a 'waste of money'. Although the CPC has been at the helm while a lot of money has been spent on R&D with no product produced, we have to remember that it was the Chretien government which signed onto the JTF program in 1997 and agreed on the F-35 platform in 2002, also spending money on R&D until 2006 when the CPC took over with a minority government. Little tidbit most people overlook.

As for the alleged $3.1 billion that is 'missing', even the Auditor General has stated that there is no 'evidence of wrongdoing'. There's a very large paper trail to be followed with that one. Again, another example of a government that is too large, with too many departments reporting to one another.

For me, Trudeau is not an option. My family out West remembers what his Father did to this country very well. Granted, he is not his Father, but his swagger and attitude of entitlement is the same. How can I vote for and trust someone who says they took no money for speaking while a MP when the proof is out in the open that he did and missed votes in the House, where he is supposed to be representing his constituents, in order to do so? Since becoming LPC leader, he has not presented one fiscal, international, social or any other policy...just smiling YouTube videos, preaching about being 'positive'. Trudeau is someone who will get his ass handed to him in international politics. He just doesn't have the toughness required to keep us relevant internationally.

Mulcair's politics, having read the entire NDP platform, are not for me. I only agree with 42% of the NDP's policies and therefore, I can't vote for my NDP candidate.

I encourage everyone to get their hands on every party's platform and actually read it, highlighting all of the policies you agree with in one colour, ones that you somewhat agree with in another colour and those you do not agree with in another. Then, tally up your percentages. This leads me to currently vote CPC, despite the follies, which when compared to previous governments, are comparable to their screw ups.
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Still think the hypocrite neoconbot reform alliance tea party of Canada is doing a good job? lol.
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I like what Harper has done. Just my opinion. All governments are full of scandals. But Harper has led us straight and Canada is doing well. I wish we had a Harper For the Province of Ontario. Now we have a spent lesbo that is going to truly screw us ( strap on required).
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i'll vote harper again. He abolished the gun registry and he might also help hunters in other ways. Hail Harper!
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Still think the hypocrite neoconbot reform alliance tea party of Canada is doing a good job? lol.
Wonder what JT would do to our gun laws? hmmmm :wink:
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I like Harper and will vote conservative next time around. JT in power would be an embarrassment.
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