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Nov 17 2013, 08:39 PM Post #1 |
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Having a good conversation about the hunt coming back all be it not everywhere yet but there is a lesson to learn from all this and we need to learn it! The issue is people just stopped or didn't bother calling Bear Wise but reather SSS was the cure for there bear problems. In some cases it had to be done but it didn't help. Here is what I posted about this SSS. And that's why I was saying to everyone to CALL! I bet I can find a half dozen posts on this forum alone that I was saying to call them on it. They expected people to just SSS, but it didn't happen that way as it was too big of an issue in bigger areas where populations were a concern.(Too many eyes or people talking for SSS) I was called by a relative who was told by the MNR to call someone to go shoot the bear for her. NOT A CHANCE, I called them back and said if it needs to be shot then do your job. We had to hold them accountable and have a record of what was going on. Bear Wise as dumb as it was is a major tool for this to start happening and the WMU's that have the hunt now are the ones with the highest amount of calls in Ontario. People said calling wouldn't do anything but the record and statistics are a major part of why this is happening now in these areas. It helps the government justify starting up in these areas first. SSS did nothing to help bring it back but it was likely necessary in some cases. So now, if you have an issue with bears PLEASE call the police! It will get recorded. |
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Nov 17 2013, 10:11 PM Post #2 |
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if anyone talked about shooting a bear they missed the last S I know nothing, I see nothing, but will call if needed but I also heard a shot somewhere, think it was them folks from Woodbridge |
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condescending twat Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant | |
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| Shane | Nov 17 2013, 10:11 PM Post #3 |
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The mp,s are going for votes for 2015. The reason those areas get a spring bear hunt is the high population . I'm sure the mnr realizes that a town of 100,000 will have more calls about nuisance bears than a town of 1,000 |
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Nov 18 2013, 10:57 AM Post #4 |
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Just got this response from my MPP, Bill Walker: Dear Adam, Thanks for your feedback. To clarify, there were two legislative items at Queen’s Park to deal with nuisance bears. The first one was debated two weeks ago. It was a motion by an NDP member that called on the government to strike a committee to study nuisance bear problems. We voted against it. We’ve already had a committee to study this issue and they made their recommendations to the government. Clearly, when it comes to bear management, the government should just implement it. I honestly think we don’t need to study or dillydally anymore. This committee would be a waste of time and money. Expectedly, the Anglers and Hunters Federation didn’t support this motion either. The second legislative item was Bill 114, which called on the government to reinstate the spring bear hunt, allowing it to run from April 15 to June 15 of every year. However, with the announcement on Nov. 14th of a two-year pilot project that will allow hunting in certain Northern communities, Bill 114 becomes a moot point. Yet, and as we said before, the government doesn’t need a Private Member’s Bill to bring back a spring hunting season in Ontario. If the Liberal government seriously intends to bring it back, as it should, then it could do so by enacting regulations through an Order in Council. There has always been a strong desire by northerners to re-instate the spring bear hunt, and I respect and support their call. Thanks again for sharing your opinion. Please do not hesitate to write back or call with any further comments or questions about this or any other provincial issue. Regards, Bill ***************************************************************** The email I wrote: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:02 AM To: Walker, Bill Subject: Private Member's Bill - Spring Bear Hunt Dear Mr. Walker, My name is Adam Stanley and I am from Hanover. Yesterday I read that the Thunder Bay MPP, Mr. Mauro, has introduced a Private Members Bill that could see the return of the spring Black Bear hunt. I am an avid outdoorsman. I am dedicated to land stewardship and conservation of our resources. I am a hunter and I practice Quality Deer Management on all the properties I deer hunt. In recent years, I have noticed an increase in the number of bear sightings in the southern portions of Grey and Bruce counties. Areas that do not support an open season for Black Bears. Traditionally these are areas (ie. Hanover, Markdale, Chepstow, Walkerton, etc.) that bear populations have been non-existent. The increase in the number of bear sightings indicates that the population north of these towns (Owen Sound and the Bruce Peninsula) have increased to an extent that the territory is no longer large enough to support the local population of black bears. Hence, the younger less dominant bears are chased away by the older larger bears and they roam southerly. Within the past ten years we have seen many bear attacks, on humans, in areas like Peterborough, Orillia, Southhampton.........the list goes on. If you look to Northern Ontario and review the list of bear incidents since 1999 you will see a list that is too long to read. Recently, the province has suffered major cutbacks to the MNR which has also reduced the capacity of the Bear Wise program that the MNR oversaw for many years. What is worse, is that the hotline offers dispatch to the OPP and local police services in many areas whom are already busy dealing with a multitude of issues. The MNR is no longer dispatched to relocate or deal with nuisance bears. Homeowners, landowners, farmers...........TAXPAYERS, have been left to fend for themselves in many instances. Especially in Northern Ontario where the population of Black Bears has skyrocketed since 1999. There have been a few individuals who have taken matters into their own hands and killed a nuisance bear, only to be charged by the MNR afterward, even though they did so in self defense. Many times when an officer is dispatched the animal is killed anyways. Since the cancellation of Ontario's spring Bear Hunt, the population of Black Bears in Ontario has drastically increased. Studies have shown that in many areas of the province the ratio of bears to the presence natural food have reached critical levels. This happens when we receive harsh winters. Since 1999, the number of harvested bears have dramatically decreased and so has the revenue from hunting bears . The current season runs in the late summer and fall. A time when many hunters are focused on hunting Moose, Elk and Deer in Ontario. With their attention elsewhere, there simply just isn't enough time for the average hunter to focus on all the species available in that time of year. Usually bear hunting takes the back seat on a hunters priority list. This has drastically hurt the outfitting and guiding businesses in Ontario. An industry which boosts local economies by bringing in hunters from various provinces and foreign countries. This past spring, I travelled to Alberta to partake in their spring Black Bear hunt. I spent well over $2000 in the province of Alberta to do so, and I will most likely do so again in the near future. This is money that I could be spending in my home province of Ontario. The spring Black Bear season would take place when Wild Turkey is the only other season that is open. This would give many hunters the opportunity to focus on big game in the spring (Black Bear) and fall (Deer, Elk and Moose). Anopportunity that would be widely welcomed by the hunting community, farming community and oufitting community. Mr. Walker, I strongly urge you to support the Private Members Bill introduced by Mr. Mauro. The reinstatement of our spring bear hunt would help to manage the number of Black Bears in Ontario, reducing the number of nuisance bears, helping stabilize the bear to food ratio and bring revenue to our local guiding and outfitting industry. There would also be a fallout of economical benefit to businesses like restaurants, hotels, car rental companies, etc. etc. Being the MPP representative for Grey and Bruce County means that you represent an area of people who believe in doing the right thing. The people of Grey and Bruce believe that bringing back the spring Black Bear hunt is the right thing to do. I trust as the Representative of our counties you will also do the right thing. Sincerely, Adam Stanley Hanover, Grey County, Ontario |
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Nov 18 2013, 07:52 PM Post #5 |
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I don't think we can shake that mentality after years of people getting the run around by a dysfunctional system. I know the people out at my inlaws camp have lost all faith in the system and have taken matters into there own hands. I don't recall anyone being a bear hunter so they have no personal interest in brining back the spring bear hunt. I don't agree with what goes on because I know some of the bears shot have not been nuisance bears. But and can see there frustration. One guy had his camp broken into three times in 1 year. I believe it was $15,000 in damages. People that don't have a desire to hunt spring bears will continue to SSS. Not sure how to change that mentality after people have tried the system and it failed them repeatedly? |
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Nov 20 2013, 09:04 PM Post #6 |
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Good job with the letter Adam. $40 million dollars cost of the cancellation of the spring bear hunt paid by us taxpayers= bear wise program,relocation cost,enforcement hours cost . If our trustee does not realize that we need a season a universal season for outfitters for resident and non residents alike everyone wins. Pure intellectual sluggishness on the part of our government. Bring back the spring bear hunt for good.
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