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fairest system
Topic Started: Dec 13 2013, 02:43 PM (701 Views)
Shane
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The philosophy of Buckmasters' new Full-Credit Scoring System is to measure and record whitetail deer antlers without forcing them to conform to a criterion of perfect symmetry. This Full-Credit Scoring System takes nothing away from the rack. It simply measures every inch of antler and classifies it accordingly. The Buckmasters system can be distinguished from other whitetail scoring systems in these nine important areas:
The Buckmasters system does not deduct differences between lengths of opposing typical points.
It does not include the inside-spread measurement in the score because it is a measurement of air, not antler.
Since the inside spread between the main beams is not added into the rack's score, a rack with a broken skull plate can be entered into the BTR.
There are four classifications of antlers categorized as: Perfect, Typical, Semi-Irregular, and Irregular.
Minimum score is the same for each of the four categories of antlers. The minimum score for all firearms-harvested deer is 140 inches. A minimum score of 105 inches is required for all bow-harvested deer. These minimum scores may sound low until you realize the inside-spread credit is not included.
The BTR system provides categories for all types of firearms which include centerfire rifles, shotguns, handguns, and blackpowder guns. The bow-and-arrow category includes all compounds, recurves, and longbows, with a separate category for crossbows. The "Pick-Up" category is for racks which have been found rather than harvested by a hunter. The minimum score for this category is 140 inches. There is even a category for shed antlers which are measured only as right or left antlers, not as a pair. Minimum score for shed antlers is 75 inches.
No drying time is required before antlers can be measured.
The BTR also has a separate category for antlers still in velvet.
There is opportunity for entry for bucks which have been taken behind deer-proof fences, providing they meet the entrance criteria noted on the BTR Code of Ethics for Hunting On Game-Proof Fenced Properties.
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It is a good measuring system for sure. I enjoy reading Rack magazine and buckmasters magazine. I don't normally plug too much on here but here are the links to these two great magazines.

http://www.buckmasters.com/top-stories/rack-magazine.aspx

http://www.buckmasters.com/top-stories/buc...s-magazine.aspx
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Shane
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a lot less controversy thats for sure , never could figure out why " perfect and even frame " was such a big value when it come to determining the largest ? a 300 plus non typical buck would be deducted if its typical frame wasnt even , wtf is even on anything with that much horn ?

lets say for example you have a buck that has a gross score of 225 typical and after deductions its net score is 180 and then you have a buck that has a gross score of 186 and after deductions its net score is 182 ...... which is bigger?
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The B&C scoring system gave us a yardstick for comparing deer but it wasn't perfect to be sure. The BTR system is a more advanced system that makes a lot more sense for the purpose of comparing different whitetailed deer. Takes a little getting used too but now that I understand the scoring system a lot better B&C looks more and more inferior to me. Glad you brought this topic up Shane. :cheers:
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Shane
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how many main frame 10 or 12 point mature bucks that make book dont grow stickers or a fork or something. Its a freak when a mature buck that makes book that is slick and clean and perfect and yet thats what b&c use as a guideline even with odd ball non typicals?

by b&c standards the biggest typicals out there are the perfect ones not the biggest ones
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Gross score all the way,He grew it,score it notwor
I thought I was wrong once,But I was mistaken
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Shane
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Dec 13 2013, 02:16 PM
Gross score all the way,He grew it,score it notwor

exactly
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I was taught how to score by BTR methods, and they came up here with a whole bunch of junk to score.
I still keep in contact with one of the big wig scorers
makes scoring something like this a bit easier
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condescending twat
Someone who looks down on other people and is beyond arrogant
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Personaly speaking, although I like big racks, I really like symetrical racks. It doesn't matter if there are non-typical points (e.g. drop-tines), as long as they are the same on each side.
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Sam Menard
Dec 13 2013, 07:48 PM
Personaly speaking, although I like big racks, I really like symetrical racks. It doesn't matter if there are non-typical points (e.g. drop-tines), as long as they are the same on each side.
Sam

I agree Sam. BTR system does recognize that and has four main categories.

a. Perfect
b. Typical
c. Semi Irregular
d. Irregular

I like the fact that they look a % irregularity and that they still recognize typical vs non-typical and those somewhere in between.
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The BTR scoring system is a Canadian invention. Russell Thornberry came up with the concept when he was an outfitter in Alberta. I have a copy of Russell's Trophy Whitetails of Alberta that was published long before Jackie came up with the idea of Buckmasters that uses the "full credit scoring system."

The only point about the BTR scoring system I question is the non-use of the inside spread in the final calculation. Their insistence that this measurement is a measurement of air is week. Antler spread is a desired trait by most hunters. If you saw two fairly equal bucks most would choose to shoot the wider one.
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Shane
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With the exception of the inside spread the btr system is a more fair and accurate system when it comes to determining the bucks horns. Sure most prefer a wide spread as it obviously makes the horns look larger. But if a buck had a 15 inch inside spread or if it had a 25 inch spread the actual horn stays the same The Hansen buck has a 27 inch spread I think but slender and very even horns. It was made for the b&c system not many giant whitetails are made for it tho. Take the top 20 typical bucks and take away the air between the horns and you will see what horns are the biggest
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Dec 14 2013, 09:21 AM
If you saw two fairly equal bucks most would choose to shoot the wider one.

How many hunters shoot a buck and go up to it and say " damn I wish it wouldn't have grown these extra points cause it's not even and perfect " ?
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Shane
Dec 14 2013, 11:55 AM
Buckstopper
Dec 14 2013, 09:21 AM
If you saw two fairly equal bucks most would choose to shoot the wider one.

How many hunters shoot a buck and go up to it and say " damn I wish it wouldn't have grown these extra points cause it's not even and perfect " ?

Not a one that I know of. I love non-typical points or character. That said, I really find large clean typicals be it 8 points or 12 points pleasing to the eye. It is nice to be able to compare apples to apples as best we can. The inside spread credit not being factored into score is something I am on the fence about. It really is not a huge part of the overall score and for sure width is a desired trait to most hunters. I have heard some hunters talk about outside spread as the measurement of buck size. It would be nice to include the inside spread measurement but dilute it somewhat. lol.
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This system of scoring is bang on in accordance of the animals credit I like this system. :cheers:
I don't always chase tail, but when I do; its whitetail. Stay camo my friends.
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ONbuckhunter
Dec 14 2013, 08:24 PM
This system of scoring is bang on in accordance of the animals credit I like this system. :cheers:

I agree.....good system.
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