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| WoodLand Caribou Issue is gaining steam | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 21 2013, 01:38 PM (1,061 Views) | |
forkhorn
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Dec 21 2013, 01:38 PM Post #1 |
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I was just watching Treehouse with my kid and a commercial about protecting woodland caribou came on and how logging is destroying there habitat in the North. You can donate money and buy clothing to support the cause. Greenpeace and other anti groups are so smart by pulling in members at such a young age and starting this campaign at Xmas. Greenpeace has been pushing the woodland caribou issue for sometime and its gaining steam. They are very smart in realizing that they can use it to back door the forestry industry in the North. This issue will be very interesting in the next few years and will affect northern communities economies. You got to love when citiots affect your backyard and the future of your communities.
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baydog
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Dec 21 2013, 08:49 PM Post #2 |
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It's a joke. Caribou are given priority over moose by wildlife managers.also, the caribou could throw a monkey wrench into the ring of fire and other mining projects. |
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Cervus_stalker
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Dec 22 2013, 11:06 AM Post #3 |
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Not such a joke that humans are going to cause the extinction of woodland caribou. Human greed has no end... Please realize that these green peacetime activists are on our side more than any other. How we treat the north and the extinction of caribou will serve as a precedent for how we balance economy and environment. If economy wins over caribou, who do you think will win in the struggle between fisheries and economy, agricultural growth and deer habitat etc. |
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Brooke
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Dec 22 2013, 11:45 AM Post #4 |
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Hanover, Ontario.
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I am all for protecting species that need protecting. But make no mistake, groups like Greenpeace and WWF are not OUR friends. They would stop all hunting if given half a chance. |
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forkhorn
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Dec 22 2013, 12:43 PM Post #5 |
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Its a whole lot of area to protect for such a small amount of animals and I have hard time thinking its about the caribou. Its a great platform for these orgs. to push for bigger agendas. The golden egg! People should worry about there own backyard and there own ecological foot print. From what I have been told there more affected by the heat than anything. And trying to bring down ungulate numbers in some WMU to minimize predators doesn't work. We are going to end up with no animals and no jobs. I guess we can move to the bigger cities and work at McDonalds and hopefully see one on TV someday. Do we stop economic development in fear of them becoming extinct, when there are other factors affecting there survival. There are mgt. guidelines for caribou already in place in some forest units.. but it appears its not enough. I guess its an easy decision when the outcome doesn't affect you directly. I am a firm believer that industry can't regulate itself. We need a balance. Government seemed to be the balance in the past. But with the reduction in services they don't have the capabilities anymore to regulate our resources. Other special interest orgs.(non-Canadian) are stepping in and having a say in what occurs with our resources. Good and Bad! |
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baydog
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Dec 22 2013, 06:11 PM Post #6 |
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In the area that fork horn is talking about they are a fringe species at best. I don't think caribou numbers were ever high in that area. We continue to ignore falling moose populations while putting a huge effort into the caribou. |
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Norma
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Dec 22 2013, 07:27 PM Post #7 |
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Around here they want to restrict logging and mining to save Woodland Caribou habitat, the only problem, no Woodland Caribou was ever seen here for hundred of years!!! It's us Northerners that will become extinct if this keeps up. ![]() Lot's of news stories about this already..... http://www.timminstimes.com/2011/09/08/nor...-at-queens-park http://www.republicofmining.com/2011/03/06...bruary-28-2011/ http://www.timminstimes.com/2012/02/22/nor...rthern-concerns |
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Moe "Only a dead fish goes with the flow" Proud member of OFAH, NFA, CSSA | |
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4ST EYES
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Dec 30 2013, 10:41 AM Post #8 |
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One thing the "greenies" don't mention is that there is no such thing as a woodland caribou. They are caribou plain and simple that just happen to evolve to be able to survive in a woodland environment. The OMNR biologist are using them to push there own (or political)agendas. |
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Norma
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Feb 5 2014, 08:07 PM Post #9 |
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Article in today's Timmins Daily Press... Quote: "Cochrane could end up losing jobs in this sector because of the impacts from government policies to protect caribou habitat." http://www.timminspress.com/2014/02/05/caribou-protection-hampers-forestry-upswing |
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Moe "Only a dead fish goes with the flow" Proud member of OFAH, NFA, CSSA | |
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| winston | Feb 7 2014, 10:09 AM Post #10 |
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I believe you are mistaken and without arguing politics (I will argue biology), there most certainly is a woodland caribou (Rangifer tarandus-caribou) . Woodland caribou are a distinct and identifiable subspecies. The need for evolutionary change resulting from habitat and biological preferences are how new species evolve. If in doubt, see Darwin and his many examples. |
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4ST EYES
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Feb 12 2014, 12:08 PM Post #11 |
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Winston, I stand by my original statement. Actually it is not mine but that of a Federal wildlife biologist and then confirmed by an Ontario biologist (off the record of course). Many animals adapt to various habitats but that doesn't make them a new sub-species. Some "scientists" like to declare them so, just to get their names and papers into publication. Politics I won't debate either. By the way I did take wildlife biology in college also. |
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| winston | Feb 13 2014, 02:02 PM Post #12 |
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Interesting, a CWS employee stating that woodland caribou do not exist? I hope they don't speak too loudly. May I ask if either are actually ungulate biologists? Weather said biologists or you want to acknowledge subspecies distinctions, they are indeed recognized by the scientific community for more than just local adaptation. These subspecies have distinct physiological differences: woodland caribou (Rangifer tarandus-caribou), barren ground caribou (Rangifer tarandus groenlandicus), Peary caribou (Rangifer tarandus pearyi). The scientists who just want to get their names on publications...each of these publications are peer reviewed and accepted by the scientific community...but I'm sure you knew this, you took wildlife biology in college. |
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forkhorn
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Feb 14 2014, 11:41 PM Post #13 |
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Had a good conversation about this today and It is apparent we are screwed. IMO we are 'trying' to convert areas into caribou habitat that aren't caribou habitat. I am sorry but we can't eradicate deciduous trees from the caribou zones. This is our governments mind set- These deciduous areas bring in moose and deer. Moose and deer are a target for eradication because they bring in predators. Roads are also a means for the wolves to travel(because they don't travel in the bush anymore ). So eliminate moose, deer, roads and deciduous forests and bingo we got caribou. Hugs all around.IMO again its the perfect plan to mismanage our resources. Its one hell of a good idea to gain revenue and not do a thing. Sell tags like crazy..... and wash there hands of the public access issues. No need for staff or any other mgt. plans. Pretty soon a smoking monkey is going to be running our resources.... Oh wait its already happened. |
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). So eliminate moose, deer, roads and deciduous forests and bingo we got caribou. Hugs all around.
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