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License fees going up again
Topic Started: Jan 9 2014, 03:56 PM (1,243 Views)
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Just had this pop up on my Facebook news feed...getting pretty expensive to enjoy hunting anymore! Almost $50.00 for a deer tag!

http://www.oodmag.com/news/list-fishing-hu...-fee-increases/
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Yikes, and to think I ate all my tags and so did my wife. I am going to reduce the number of extra doe tags I buy next year. Just one each. It is too bad my donation to Ontario Wildlife is not tax deductable.
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Don't ever expect prices to ever go down. I would guess they will go up every year.
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Wow. Taking my money south
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come here deer

it was brown its down for me in the year of 2013, cause I bought a new rifle and wanted to break it in and ive been eating tags for a few seasons, may end up being brown its down this year to, sure id love to pick and choose but sometimes it doesn't happen like that and im tired of eating glue for 50 bucks! :cheers:
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I'd be curious to see how the increase in license fees compares with inflation over the last few decades.
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Its not just hunting tags going up. Anyone remember when fishing licenses were first introduced in Ontario? They said it will never go up and if I remember correctly I think they were $8. Just checked online and now they are $28.89. Where does all this money go?
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Getting to the point where it soon will be cheaper to hunt outside of the province. I know I'm considering this hard, time I pay my share of the camp I part own and license and week worth of food, I could head out west to hunt them just as cheap nearly.

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Just sucks big time.
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180 gets me 3 Turkey tags 2 in spring and in fall or 1 in spring and 2 in fall. And 5 deer tags and a bear tag in Virginia and where I go its guaranteed deer its private land but nothing to see 20to 40 deer a night. No mention on the doubling of the hunting test and the 2 buck increase of the hunting book. Licences went up a bit over a buck on 50 but the of ah went up 2 bucks on 18 brutal
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Wow! I remember them being 30
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Mattones
Jan 9 2014, 09:18 PM
Wow! I remember them being 30
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LOL lol))) I remember when they were five bucks
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The cost to produce deer has gone up lol
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Yeah... production and management is sky rocketing :spinning: That explains it. lol
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Everything in perspective, there isn't much you can buy these days for $50. It's less than half a tank of fuel, it's about a third of a pair of Nike sneakers, and it's about half the cost of a dine in meal for my family of five.

Every time I release an arrow at an animal it's costing me $30 for the shaft, fletching, and mechanical broadhead.

As far as where that money goes, I don't know, but $50 certainly doesn't get you a whole lot these days.
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Everything in perspective, there isn't much you can buy these days for $50. It's less than half a tank of fuel, it's about a third of a pair of Nike sneakers, and it's about half the cost of a dine in meal for my family of five.

Every time I release an arrow at an animal it's costing me $30 for the shaft, fletching, and mechanical broadhead.

As far as where that money goes, I don't know, but $50 certainly doesn't get you a whole lot these days.

Good points.
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A $1 here a $1.50 there. Heck I wish my wages could increase like that every year or two. Glad I hunt close to home.
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It's my understanding that licence increases are due to the rise of the consumer price index. I also heard that MNR will be adding transaction fees to cover the cost charged by the company that does the licencing on their behalf.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa suck it up buttercup...everything except wages go up so welcome to the real world!
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Brampton Mike
Jan 10 2014, 08:26 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa suck it up buttercup...everything except wages go up so welcome to the real world!

easy to spew off when you sell everything you have on forums

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Jan 10 2014, 07:54 PM
Brampton Mike
Jan 10 2014, 08:26 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa suck it up buttercup...everything except wages go up so welcome to the real world!

easy to spew off when you sell everything you have on forums

:lol!!!:

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What bogus reasoning!

You think tags should go up because everything else goes up? Because you can't get value from other things without spending a fortune? Because everything else in hunting is expensive?

Man, as long as hunters are complacent, the government is going to jack up the prices.

I think price hikes for this crap is ####### retarded.

There is not VALUE for the extra money we spend.

WAGES ARE NOT GOING UP!!!

People will be poaching in short order and there will be no $ for the MNR.

Tags were originally issued to PREVENT POACHING. Now it ENCOURAGES it.

And all that extra tag money? And all the UNUSED tags!?! Where does all the money go?

Into the pockets of paper pushers.

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I have to agree. The rising cost of commodities shouldn't drive up tag prices. The government doesn't manufacture the animals. The OMNR has been cutting back big time and looking to privatise everything the managers can dream up. Also there is a big push of self-regulation by industry. The government in general has been cutting back people/resources and license costs have been going up. We don't see any value with rising costs. Ontario as a province is in Big Trouble and will continue to go down the tubes thanks to our ingenious politicians.

Keep up the good posts Brampton Mike.... :thumbsup:
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As I mentioned earlier, the increases are tied to the consumer price index. That's because the money is earmarked to pay for MNR propgrams and those costs go up every year. The MNR pays full price for gas, hydro, vehicles, etc. and those prices go up a few percent every year.

As for comparing MNR with some US states, I agree that there's room for improvement on our side of the border, but at least our government doesn't shut down because we're broke e.g. Minnesota.

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Jan 11 2014, 10:41 AM
As I mentioned earlier, the increases are tied to the consumer price index. That's because the money is earmarked to pay for MNR propgrams and those costs go up every year. The MNR pays full price for gas, hydro, vehicles, etc. and those prices go up a few percent every year.

As for comparing MNR with some US states, I agree that there's room for improvement on our side of the border, but at least our government doesn't shut down because we're broke e.g. Minnesota.

Sam

I see your point. But I would think with the reduction in services/programs and overall less people being employed. That would lower there costs of hydro, vehicles and insurance etc. We are seeing a reduction in services/programs but we are not seeing the $ benefit to the public. Its seems their revenue stream is increasing. I do realize that it just a pipe dream and regardless of what happens costs go up and not down. :coffee:
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all it does is cause hunters to poach more and more...Pretty sad when you are paying 55 dollars to apply for a moose tag in which you have more chance of winning the lotto 6/49 at in lots of wmu where there are tons of moose. In the past few years, I've see and heard more and more hunters not even purchase their licenses anymore and just harvest game without a tag. Why doesn't the ministry use their heads and simply for charge a successful tag applicant rather than charging simply for apply for a tag. That's the same logic of cancelling the spring bear hunt while bears are crawling all over towns and cities hurting ppl so they finally implement the spring bear hunt back in action after years and years of this going on. And to think that all theses decisions are coming from suit wearing pencil pushing politicians. Wether or not everything goes up such as gas, food, etc... they should at least use their heads and change the system if they are gonna rape ppl for our money. Just my opinion !!
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hunters don't poach, criminals do

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hunters don't poach, criminals do


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What's the difference between someone that pays too much for a tag and one that doesn't?

Poaching?

Seems logical.

What do you call a government that raises the cost of a tag and does not provide a service in return?

A thief?

Seems logical.

Stealing from a thief is what?

Canada is so complacent when it comes to these fees and costs, it's like stealing from a baby.
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That is some of the most faulty logic I have ever heard.

When you go to a fast food joint and buy a combo, do you expect the burger to be bigger than it was a few years ago when it was $3.99? Do you expect more fries, a bigger smile, and maybe for them to change your oil while they're at it? It's the same god damn burger for $8 now. Your service didn't increase, but it costs more.

Anyone who even suggests that poaching is a "logical" move and rising fees "causes hunters to poach more and more", says a lot more about themselves than what I hope it would about the community.

When I hear that some CO's don't even have enough gas to patrol their zones the latter half of the season is alarming. Again, I don't know what the total revenue is for the MNR, and exactly where the tag money is allocated, but I am also not contemplating some of the extreme measures that I see in this post.

I do own a business, and like most places in the world my costs go up over time and so I charge more over time. Should my customers now start to figure out ways to steal from me? I am offering the same service and products at a slightly increased amount.

All I know as a small business owner is that $50 sure as hell doesn't cover a whole lot when it comes to vehicles, wages, tools, supplies, etc.
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I just ran some quick numbers for the cost of enjoying the outdoors next year- 3 deer tags (47.30), 1 Moose (54.57), 1 Bear (47.30), 1 wolf (10.93), 1 Elk (52.26), 1 small game (24.59), 1 fishing 28.89= $360.44
Individually its not a whole lot of money to put out to be able to do the things I love to do legally.

If you consider there is 450,000 hunters buying on average 1 deer(47.30), 1 moose(54.57), one small game(24.59) and fishing(28.89)= 155.35
155.35x450,000=$69,907,500. It would be interesting to find out how this money is allocated. Does anybody know.
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This report shows the breakdown and includes non-res numbers.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/report/stdprod_109164.pdf
With the reduction in staff/service and programs the SPA Balance should be greater now. It will be interesting to compare this years report and next years.
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The government doesn't make the animals, nor do they actively manage them. What are you paying for exactly?

At the end of the day, the money is to pay for someone else's job to shove papers around in an office.

If the CO's don't have gas money, it's because the money is misallocated.

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In 2010 the money collected was 75,000,000 of that 875,000 was collected in fines.

Figure it out. You're tossing 75 million to collect 875k in fines.

The rest of the money was pleasantly used to "monitor things", and toss some fish in some lakes. Also move some elk around and "educate."

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The MNR SPA will be putting a notice on the EBR website regarding generating funds. I will post when it when it gets there. Should be any day now. This will give everyone a chance to add comments on where monies are spent and where additional fees will be added.
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Jan 13 2014, 09:04 AM
In 2010 the money collected was 75,000,000 of that 875,000 was collected in fines.

Figure it out. You're tossing 75 million to collect 875k in fines.

The rest of the money was pleasantly used to "monitor things", and toss some fish in some lakes. Also move some elk around and "educate."

'phew'...that's a relief. I figured it was all going towards Toronto's transit system. :D
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Jan 13 2014, 12:37 PM
The MNR SPA will be putting a notice on the EBR website regarding generating funds. I will post when it when it gets there. Should be any day now. This will give everyone a chance to add comments on where monies are spent and where additional fees will be added.
Thanks, Tracker. This will be interesting to see.
I wonder whats up with the big jump in fines? Would be interesting to see a breakdown.
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i'm sure a good percentage of your monies is going to their fancy trucks :) and nice green suits
i'm sure a good percentage of your monies is going to their fancy trucks :) and nice green suits
Edited by moosewhisperer, Jan 16 2014, 07:51 PM.
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