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Oxford County - Zorra TWP. Noise Bylaw
Topic Started: Jan 17 2011, 07:37 PM (2,167 Views)
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Taken from the OOD site with a few replies thrown in.

Oxford County-Zorra Township- Noise Bylaw

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If you live,hunt or shoot in Zorra Township in Oxford County you should know that there is a noise bylaw which amounts to a no firearms discharge bylaw being proposed that will take away your right to hunt or even shoot on your own property in Zorra Township. Tavistock and District Rod and Gun Club is working to have the Municipality change the onerous provisions, but the council is not budging. Hopefully this urban GTA cancer does not spread to other rural municipalities. If you shoot in the Township or even the County call your counsellor. A meeting is being held at the Harrington Library on January the 20th at 7:00PM. We need the support of the sportsmen and women to stop this in its tracks !!!!!!!

I'll try to find it and and get a link up,but the Draft bylaw was tabled January 19,2010.It is bylaw No.46-87. The Tavistock
and District,Rod and Gun Club successfully delayed passing of the bylaw back in the fall by rallying its local members and concerned citizens to attend a council meeting that was not advertised. By shear luck a resident gave a member a councillor newsletter which mentioned the meeting or it would have been passed by the lameduck council without any
citizen input. Hows that for democracy . The OFAH ,MNR, and CSSA have been contacted. These councillors,the Mayor
and CAO don't get it. The taxpayers in Oxford/Zorra will hopefully help them get it !

UGH I am on afternoons this week, or I would be attending. The Mayor, Margret Lupton, is a bit of a bully, I am aware of a certain incident involving Margret, and a land owner involving the townships desire to expand a gravel pit. However I will be contacting my ward councilors.

Thank you for the heads up on this. I had no idea. I've contacted my councillor Marie Keasey (ward 2 - Thamesford). This is definitely an issue that affects me. For anyone else who wants to get a hold of their ward councillor, their info can be found here, http://www.zorra.on.ca/index.php?menu_id=20 .

Bring in all the help you can on this....... This is crap. Don't let it happen.


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No person shall, at any time, emit, cause, or permit to be emitted or caused, any noise
created by:
2.1 The persistent barking, calling or whining of any domestic pet;
2.2 The squealing of motor vehicle tires for reasons other than emergency braking; The Corporation of the Township of Zorra Page 2
By-law No. XX-09
2.3 The use of a horn, whistle, alarm, bell, gong, or similar device, except for an
auditory safety or warning device;
2.4 The detonation of explosives, including the discharge of any gun or other firearm,
air gun or spring gun, or any similar device;

Seems to me that, they would need some pretty good argument to create a bylaw that is in contravention to the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act.




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Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act, 2002.

Right to hunt and fish
1. (1) A person has a right to hunt and fish in accordance with the law.
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(2) The reference to the law in subsection (1) includes the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, the Fisheries Act (Canada), the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada) and the regulations made under those Acts.

I'm not a constituent, so It probably wont help a lot, but I've sent a message to your Mayor and Councillors.


Thanks for the " quotes " and the contacts links guys. Fill their voicemails and inboxs and get this thing quashed.
Oxford counties got a huge coyote problem and deer problems in some pockets and these guys are trying to make it easy for any anti in the township to call and have the bylaw officer lay charges. They're threatening charges against our gunclub thats been in existence since 1967 without any issues until now .

get as many people involved as possible. i can't begin to tell you on this site about all the details but there is one person behind this and she has fabricated so many lies and council has fallen for it. we have done sound test at the clubs expense ete., etc., and they still won't listen.going to be a hard fought battle as this person is a very wealthy person.

Wow. I didn't believe this one; Zorra being so rural....
http://www.zorra.on.ca/documents/10-...d%20Agenda.pdf
(the meeting where it originally appeared)



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cramadog2
Jan 17 2011, 08:37 PM
Quote:
No person shall, at any time, emit, cause, or permit to be emitted or caused, any noise
created by:
2.1 The persistent barking, calling or whining of any domestic pet;
2.2 The squealing of motor vehicle tires for reasons other than emergency braking; The Corporation of the Township of Zorra Page 2
By-law No. XX-09
2.3 The use of a horn, whistle, alarm, bell, gong, or similar device, except for an
auditory safety or warning device;
2.4 The detonation of explosives, including the discharge of any gun or other firearm,
air gun or spring gun, or any similar device;

Seems to me that, they would need some pretty good argument to create a bylaw that is in contravention to the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act.





sounds like an old bag complaint to me.
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Sounds like a group of nutz on counsel there

Well if it passes than I would be calling in and complaining and demanding the law be up held every time I heard a coyote howl
2.1 The persistent barking, calling or whining
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an air gun is a noise violation? Whats next getting a ticket if you rip a big fart?
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I live in Zorra Township, have contacted my counsler to see what i can do! This is not good.
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Another one of these bend over issues.

Hope you get enough support from the locals up your way to put a quash to this nonsense.
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I made a call this morning to a councillor this morning. he's in southwest Oxford which adjoins zorra. He is a big gun toter, travels all over the US and competes, big moose hunter as well. He is also on the committee to do with the coyote problem in Oxford, in certain areas. He has not heard of it and was quite surprised, was getting off the phone and making some phone calls.
He's going to get back to me on what he finds out.
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I made a call this morning to a councillor this morning. he's in southwest Oxford which adjoins zorra. He is a big gun toter, travels all over the US and competes, big moose hunter as well. He is also on the committee to do with the coyote problem in Oxford, in certain areas. He has not heard of it and was quite surprised, was getting off the phone and making some phone calls.
He's going to get back to me on what he finds out.


That should be interesting.

Who comes up with this stuff anyway? It is laughable.
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be interesting to see what that guy finds out
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will lawn mowers also be put on the list, as they make more noise than a air rifle
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anyone hear that the OFAH is trying to drop the maximum rifle calibre around here from 270 to 243! If this is true i'm one that can say the OFAH is not the voice of this Ontario resident, thats for sure!
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will lawn mowers also be put on the list, as they make more noise than a air rifle


lol, no kidding.

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anyone hear that the OFAH is trying to drop the maximum rifle calibre around here from 270 to 243! If this is true i'm one that can say the OFAH is not the voice of this Ontario resident, thats for sure


What would be the idea behind that? Makes no sense at all. OFAH has a voice?
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Jan 19 2011, 08:33 PM
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will lawn mowers also be put on the list, as they make more noise than a air rifle


lol, no kidding.

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anyone hear that the OFAH is trying to drop the maximum rifle calibre around here from 270 to 243! If this is true i'm one that can say the OFAH is not the voice of this Ontario resident, thats for sure


What would be the idea behind that? Makes no sense at all. OFAH has a voice?

Thats what i was told by a friend. His buddy went to the general area meeting and this was brought up.
If it is True ...... What a joke they are
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pure nonsense and proof that stupidity can make its way up the food chain

i will be attending this meeting tomorrow night to see what is going on as this bylaw affects me directly as i live on the township boundary and many of my prime hunting properties are in zorra township.

from what i have heard, the intent of the bylaw is targetted (no pun intended) towards the gun club, which is still not fair to them and that the bylaw would not be used against hunter (horse feathers is what i call it). in my eyes once the bylaw is in place fines could still be placed against hunters and target shooters if complaints are made to the township.

i will report my findings.

p.s. i am not a member at the gun club in question.

cheers

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anyone hear that the OFAH is trying to drop the maximum rifle calibre around here from 270 to 243! If this is true i'm one that can say the OFAH is not the voice of this Ontario resident, thats for sure!

try living in NWO and see what OFAH has done for ya
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Jan 19 2011, 06:30 PM
anyone hear that the OFAH is trying to drop the maximum rifle calibre around here from 270 to 243! If this is true i'm one that can say the OFAH is not the voice of this Ontario resident, thats for sure!

try living in NWO and see what OFAH has done for ya

betcha they been good at taking membership money from you guys up there.. :wink:

I am ceasing my membership this year......

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meeting is not a council meeting but council members will be there to here arguements.
Not sure if its everywhere but around here when you join a clud its mandatory that some of your membership dues goes for an ofah membership. Total BS. I told them i didn't want one and was told its mandatory in our Province. I've belonged to two clubs in two different townships and its the same!
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Clubs should not require members to be OFAH members but they do it up here in NW Ontario as well. What can we do about it? It is rediculous. You should be able to be part of the club and put that money towards repairs and work at the club instead. Maybe time to start some new hunting and fishing clubs, non-profit types? Would need a group of people to share costs and work and maybe have our own clubs. (;
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Well attending that meeting was pretty much a waste of time.

Somehow that meeting was supposed to be between township council and the neighbours of the gun club and the gun club executive.

The mayor showed up at the meeting with a pickle up her **** as she has been on the phone and answering phone calls and emails for the last 3 days since many hunters/shooters called in voicing their opinions on the intent of the bylaw.... therefore she made it clear that members of the public who were not part of the groups mentioned above would not be heard. Enough said.

I listened to the gun club executive mention that their range already met the provincial and federal regulations however they were prepared to raise the bar in the spirit of keeping neighbours content. They have proposed spending in upwards of 100G for additional noise testing and sound barriers/insulation at various shooting stations. The membership was looking into provincial and federal grants as they do not have the resources to support this capital expenditure. It was noted that current decibel levels around their perimeter does NOT exceed 50-51 decibels which apparently is considered the "acceptable" normal outside noise.....


The plaintiff neighbour stated her claim that the noise is generaly not loud however "annoying" with continuous popping sound going on for extended periods of time. She proposed that the gun club limits their shooting every week to a couple of days of week and NO weekends. It is noted that weekends is where the club has their highest membership attendance...

It was difficult to sit back on the meeting and not be able to say anything. It was also funny to watch others sit their with _hit in their mouths and for them not be able to blurt out some statements.

At the end of the day, the mayor and the councillors made it quite clear that the noise bylaw is not there to attack hunters and target shooters on their property. If a complaint is made to the township the bylaw officer would require to go on site and evaluate the situation. I still disagree with how the bylaw is written as it is black and white that discharging firearms within the township is illegal however I was told by the plaintiff actually that there is additional information within the bylaw that absolves hunters on private property.

I was able to have a calm discussion with the plaintiff on my way out the meeting, tough times ahead for both the neighbours and gun club membership.

Cheers

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Thanks for the update CDN hunter. Sounds like the range may have to make concessions on days/hours of shooting. Too bad.
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Thanks for the update CDN hunter. Sounds like the range may have to make concessions on days/hours of shooting. Too bad.

Yea it to bad because the Range was there long before the cityiots moved out to the country side and built thier new homes.

Just love it when they come out and build a nice house beside a hog farm then bitch about the smell :bang:
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