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Life with a Jack Layton Gov't
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People are not using thier brains here. Jack Layton has a record of being a hard left Socialist from his early days on Toronto City council. He is deeply imbedded in the civic unions and owes them big. The campaign promises he is making while juicy are not realistic in a normal economy. In a post recession one they are outright dangerous. The elimination of corporate tax breaks will kill minimum 250,000 manufacturing jobs in Canada. His "cap & Trade" program to curb GHG is a proven failure in every jurisdiction that have implemented it and it has proven to add near 25% to the price of fuel. Everything around you is delivered by trucks except babies so expect everything to rise in price accordingly. The team he has in place has all kinds of completely unqualified people to be MP's. He scrambled to have 308 candidates and has many students, a bar tender, some cab drivers etc. 2 of his candidates are off on vacation during the campaign and one in Toronto hasn't even campaigned at all. Layton will double the size of government and quite frankly I already pay half what I earn to pay for this one now. I can't afford a kneejerk reaction election that will tax me further. Ontario has never recovered from the NDP government of Bob Rae. An NDP Federal government would bankrupt this country. And don't forget that Layton whipped his caucus to force them to vote in support of the gun registry and is on record as wanting to remove "all" private gun ownership. This guy is dangerous.
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The elimination of corporate tax breaks will kill minimum 250,000 manufacturing jobs in Canada


Isn't spending on infrastructure going to create jobs right away and in the long term? How do you just come up with 250,000?

How much foreign ownership is there in Canada?

I take it you don't like unions? Let the free market work, no free rides, reep what you sow. It works but you need some checks and balances to give the biggest benefit to the most people.


So we let Harper continue on his path of removing more rights and freedom's from us. That trumphs some of Layton's shortcoming, I certainly am not impressed with layton forcing his MP's to vote down the registry, you know that hit home but I feel like we need a little shake up and I am hoping Layton will get things together. Iggy is not an option for many of the same reasons Harper isn't. It is not unexpected for the NDP to have some younger less qualified candidates, some of those cab drivers and school teachers are probably not on the take like so mny of the "old" polished politicians. The oncervatives have candidates linked to Tamil Tigers in Toronto and links to the Air India bombing in Vancouver or something like that. Are they better MP's? Most of the power in Canadian Federal Politics lies with the leader and Harper is a proven liar and manipulator.
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What rights and freedoms has Harper removed? The man had a minority government and couldn't pass a law saying the sky is blue without opposition support. Foreign ownership of a company still creates jobs here for people to pay taxes and spend thier earnings.
As for unions, no I have no use for civil service unions. Aprivate company with a union doesn't bother me as I can "choose" to deal with that company or not to. Can't make that choice with government. And these unions who shout Harper is anti democracy all are "closed" houses where one has no choice to decide on joining or not. Don't see the democracy in that.
As for Jack being "pure" ? careful with that one. He used to live in subsized housing in Toronto while on city council. He and his wife made great money and they didn't have to use up one of those rare units that should go to the poor. Layton and his gang of idealists may have less scandals attached but then again they have never been the government have they?
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What rights and freedoms has Harper removed


Where does one even begin? There are so many examples. You seriously don't see it do you!

-His staff can vet the credentials and leanings of campaign event participants but he is not aware of the criminal nature of one of his closest advisors

-prorogue of Parliament

-Harper has recently attempted to control the media by allowing his entourage to censor who gets to ask questions. This led to journalist walkouts in press conferences, a sure sign something is just not right.

-Harper does not believe in Canada. He is about globalization.

Stephen Harper claimed there would be “long-term benefits” of globalization, and the “short-term costs” should be ignored, as he is fully aware of the dramatic economic impact it would have on the country.

And so, the sales job begins in Canada – pushing the foreseeable “promised land” at the price of liberty and economic independence. Our Prime Minister is poised to suggest that Canadians should role over, and throw away our sovereignty and independence in hopes that “they will take care of us” in the new, global world.

Of course that would be the sales point. The promise of something better at the price of what we have.


Here is a great link for you Terry:

http://www.takingliberty.org/2011/04/steph...encing-dissent/
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I think I could list over 100 different distinct examples of abuse of power and corruption on Harper's part. It is truly sickening.


Removed from the sniping of the Liberals and Conservatives, voters can look at the NDP platform and find ideas worth supporting.


-Capping credit card interest rates at 5 points above prime. With Canadian debt levels at an all time high its not hard to see why a proposal like this would find traction.


-A promise to hire more doctors at a time when so many Canadians are without a family physician.


-Reducing taxes for small businesses to spur job creation. Sure sounds better than giving billion dollar tax breaks to the big banks and oil companies when they're rolling in record profits.


Those are the big three from where I sit, and its not hard to understand why Canadians are suddenly warming to Jack Layton and filling up NDP rallies.
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Wikileak today:

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A leaked cable from December 2008 suggests that U.S. Embassy officials in Ottawa saw Stephen Harper's appointment of senators as "a major about-face for a PM and a party that long campaigned for an elected upper chamber. The cost of the eighteen new senators also conflicts with political messaging about the need for official belt tightening."


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How about this great website:

http://harperlies.blogspot.com/
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What rights and freedoms has Harper removed


Where does one even begin? There are so many examples. You seriously don't see it do you!

-His staff can vet the credentials and leanings of campaign event participants but he is not aware of the criminal nature of one of his closest advisors

-prorogue of Parliament

-Harper has recently attempted to control the media by allowing his entourage to censor who gets to ask questions. This led to journalist walkouts in press conferences, a sure sign something is just not right.

-Harper does not believe in Canada. He is about globalization.

Stephen Harper claimed there would be “long-term benefits” of globalization, and the “short-term costs” should be ignored, as he is fully aware of the dramatic economic impact it would have on the country.

And so, the sales job begins in Canada – pushing the foreseeable “promised land” at the price of liberty and economic independence. Our Prime Minister is poised to suggest that Canadians should role over, and throw away our sovereignty and independence in hopes that “they will take care of us” in the new, global world.

Of course that would be the sales point. The promise of something better at the price of what we have.


Here is a great link for you Terry:

http://www.takingliberty.org/2011/04/steph...encing-dissent/


The RCMP are the ones who actually decide who gets close to the PM and nobody else. Thats what happens when you are the PM and under heavy guard. The left media and CBC forgot to mention this, funny.

Of course he controls the media. The media is left wing and hates him. The CBC a tax payer funded body has a mission of doing nothing but attack him. CBC should be eliminated.

Harper is the one who has attempted to make the Senate an "ELECTED" body but The Liberals have fought it every step. Again, who is trying to make government democratic? Nothing gets passed without Senate approval. So yes Harper ended up appointing people to vacant seats but what was supposed to do? Let the Liberals enjoy the majority they had and therefore guarantee to never have elected Senators?

The Liberal party stole $100 million dollars from us and funnelled it through friendly ad agencies to refinance local Liberal riding associations to buy the next election. We have never recovered that money. You do remember that little mistep called ADSCAM right? Democracy? The money/bagman Alphonse Gagliano was given an ambassadeursip overseas in an attempt to shield him.

Cretien scrapped the helicopter deal and we were fined $500 million dollars. The result is our troops have no helicopters and have to patrol on the ground and hit homemade bombs and die at 10 times the rate as those who patrol from the air. I have personally been behind 2 of these funeral processions on the 401 now. Very moving and sure makes me angry. How do you think the families of these dead soldiers vote? Cretien sent them to Afghanistan ( the desert ) in green jungle camo?

Instead of buying badly needed choppers they bought 2 used diesel subs from Britain. One sunk on it's way over and the other caught fire. They have never been safe enoygh to go into service.

The NDP is running 10 candidates right now who are only university students and have never had real jobs yet you want these kids in Parliament making economic, fiscal and foreign policy decisions? 3 of the candidates aren't even campaigning. You want to pay these people $100K with a lifetime pension? The NDP may be all heart but it has no brains at all.

The NDP will impose a cap & trade program that will spawn a new set of stock market emmissions traders who will reap billions and the envirenment will see no benefit. It has already happened in Europe, interestingly Jack doesn't talk about this much? Your Hydro, gas and fuel costs will skyrcket to the same levels as Europe. Better get used to driving a 4 cyl econobox, good luck pulling a 5th wheel then.

Harper isn't perfect but the others are a disaster waiting to happen. I couldn't care less if the leader is ice cold as long as the country is heading in the right direction and Layton would slam into an iceburg in no time. Harper is the only choice.

You think Harper want's to give away our Sovereignty? Why do you think he is trying to rebuild our armed forces after years of neglect by the Liberals? Do you think he's buying F 35 jets because we have extra cash sitting somewhere? He is also building Arctic class patrol ships to guard our Arctic territory and the resources under it. What did the Liberals do about Arctic Sovereignty? Nothing. Thats what they did. Liberals are a joke.

The CBC, which is the unofficial media arm of the Liberal party has refused the auditor Generals request to submit expenses? Democracy?

Hey, vote your conscience. Thats the beauty of living in a free country. But don't come crying when someday you can't own a firearm or use an outboard motor. You might enjoy golf more, who knows.
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Good response Terry. Do you really think that the difference between each of these parties is as great is you imagine? Sounds like the Liberals are worse than the conservatives as far as abuses of power.

The riding where the NDP haven't gotten longer term politicians with life experience are likely riding that are very pro liberal or conservative now. You can bet that will change as the NDP finally get looked at as a real alternative instead of a "wasted" vote.

I understand much of what you say but I don't see Canada going down the tubes with a Conservative minority and the NDP as leader of the opposition.
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The problem is that a Conservative minority will become a a NDP led coalition government after the first vote in the house. I guarantee you the Libs and NDP will vote non confidence and with the bloc imploding that will be enough seats to do it. I have no doubt at all that the Governor General would haand them power over another immediate election. So yes, Layton at this point is likely our next PM. Scary ######.
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This site is all about reliving past hunts and planning for those in the future. All year I work hard to ensure my business prospers, allowing me those few precious weeks of hunting with close Friends and family. Hunting isn't a hobby. It defines who I am.
I will not vote for any political party that supports our gun registry. Both Iggy and big Jack are very much anti gun. Not sure about the rest of you but I don't want my semi auto rifles and shotguns confiscated. Think it can't happen, remember the spring bear hunt!
Canada has weathered the global recession of the last few years far better than most other developed countries. The conservatives have done a reasonably good job of keeping interest rates down and our dollar strong.
I am a farmer, family man and I live to hunt. From where I'm standing you'd have to be crazy to vote either liberal or NDP


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This site is all about reliving past hunts and planning for those in the future. All year I work hard to ensure my business prospers, allowing me those few precious weeks of hunting with close Friends and family. Hunting isn't a hobby. It defines who I am.
I will not vote for any political party that supports our gun registry. Both Iggy and big Jack are very much anti gun. Not sure about the rest of you but I don't want my semi auto rifles and shotguns confiscated. Think it can't happen, remember the spring bear hunt!
Canada has weathered the global recession of the last few years far better than most other developed countries. The conservatives have done a reasonably good job of keeping interest rates down and our dollar strong.
I am a farmer, family man and I live to hunt. From where I'm standing you'd have to be crazy to vote either liberal or NDP


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Now thats what I call cutting through the bull and straight to the core of the issue.

Thats why I love farmers !!!!

WELL SAID WILLY !!!!!!
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Conservative :allright:

the way the other 2 parties flip flop are not to my likeing
our country just went through the biggest recession since the depression and im dam glad the conservatives were there
Iggy scares the hell out of me and Jack is blowin smoke

a vote for anyone of you who are an outdoorsman family man should be conservative
dont be fooled :cheers:
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Turdeau prorogued Parliament more than 15 times if I remember correctly.

NDP, LPC, Green, BQ: First they'll come for the restricted firearms, after they'll come for your "high power" hunting rifle because they'll call it a sniper rifle. :run!!:
I guess it's alright if you're into archery

I can't believe how much an union can brainwash it's member to the point where they're ready to vote for Taliban Jack. :brainfart:
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People are not using thier brains here. Jack Layton has a record of being a hard left Socialist from his early days on Toronto City council. He is deeply imbedded in the civic unions and owes them big. The campaign promises he is making while juicy are not realistic in a normal economy. In a post recession one they are outright dangerous. The elimination of corporate tax breaks will kill minimum 250,000 manufacturing jobs in Canada. His "cap & Trade" program to curb GHG is a proven failure in every jurisdiction that have implemented it and it has proven to add near 25% to the price of fuel. Everything around you is delivered by trucks except babies so expect everything to rise in price accordingly. The team he has in place has all kinds of completely unqualified people to be MP's. He scrambled to have 308 candidates and has many students, a bar tender, some cab drivers etc. 2 of his candidates are off on vacation during the campaign and one in Toronto hasn't even campaigned at all. Layton will double the size of government and quite frankly I already pay half what I earn to pay for this one now. I can't afford a kneejerk reaction election that will tax me further. Ontario has never recovered from the NDP government of Bob Rae. An NDP Federal government would bankrupt this country. And don't forget that Layton whipped his caucus to force them to vote in support of the gun registry and is on record as wanting to remove "all" private gun ownership. This guy is dangerous.

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They are all crooked, they all lie and make promises they can't or won't keep. Vote for the lesser of 3 evils.
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STRATFORD, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND — Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is sounding the alarm over the spectre of an NDP government that would hike gasoline taxes and plunge Canada into a national unity crisis.

Looking confident and delivering his standard stump speech more assertively than he has in recent days, Harper told 400 raucous Tory supporters here that only he or NDP Leader Jack Layton could be prime minister after Monday’s vote.

“(Liberal Leader Michael) Ignatieff has taken that party away from its roots and the consequence is the best he can now hope for is to be a back seat passenger in an NDP government,” he said.

“Let’s be clear. A vote for the NDP is not a protest vote. A vote for the NDP is a vote for an NDP government. A vote for the Liberals is now a vote a for an NDP government.”

Again pleading with “traditional Liberal voters” to cast Tory ballots on Monday, Harper escalated his rhetoric against Layton.

“What is the alternative? What exactly would an NDP government look like? Just look at what their platform says,” the Tory leader said.

“Their policies would hike gas prices by at least 10 cents a litre — some say 18 cents a litre at the pumps,” he said, neglecting to mention that when he and Premier Dalton McGuinty launched the harmonized sales tax last July 1, gasoline taxes increased 8 per cent in Ontario.

This “unusual election” could also reignite the unity battles of the past over Quebec’s place within Canada, said Harper.

“The NDP is already raising controversial and divisive issues, constitutional issues, language issues. Canadians must not go back … in disunity. We must go forwards,” he said, rejecting “wars over the constitution and language policy.”

Facing the possibility of losses of Conservative seats in Nova Scotia, Quebec, Saskatchewan, and British Columbia, the minority Tories are banking on Ontario to get them on the brink of the 155 seats in the 308-member House of Commons for a majority government.

They calculate they must win at least 74 of Ontario’s 106 seats to achieve that goal — an increase of 23 over their current tally of 51.

Conservative sources say they believe vote splits between the NDP and the Liberals will help them come up the middle in several Ontario ridings, including in Toronto.

Harper, who will not be taking reporters’ questions Sunday except for some broadcast interviews, is criss-crossing the country in a final mad dash.

He began his day in this suburb of Charlottetown before flying to London, Ont., for a rally at the airport, then on to Abbotsford, B.C., for another appearance. He is expected to arrive home in Calgary early Monday morning.

“The moment is urgent, the time is now. Nothing is decided yet,” said Harper, imploring Tory supporters to keep the pedal to the metal in these “final crucial hours.”

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the things i am concerned with most is my pension and health care. both of which the conservatives plan to screw up. my guns dont mean that much to me or define who am(personally love that one). my guns wont pay my medical bills or my hydro bills. as "government" worker so to speak, provincial thank god, the consevatives, would love to cancel my job and privatize it. that would create more lower paying jobs. great idea. but thats okay, give corporates more tax breaks cause thats who needs it, what a crock. then they promise "transperancy". bull, they are only really promising to muzzle those who talk.

being an avid outdoorsman comes second fiddle to my families needs. i am first a provider, then a hunter/angler.

all that said, doesn't matter who you vote for, they WILL screw things up somehow, someway. taxes, gas, hydro, they will go up. vote for whichever party will suit your own personal needs best.

as terry put it, maybe we can all hook up on the golf course and reminisce about our guns.
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the things i am concerned with most is my pension and health care. both of which the conservatives plan to screw up. my guns dont mean that much to me or define who am(personally love that one). my guns wont pay my medical bills or my hydro bills. as "government" worker so to speak, provincial thank god, the consevatives, would love to cancel my job and privatize it. that would create more lower paying jobs. great idea. but thats okay, give corporates more tax breaks cause thats who needs it, what a crock. then they promise "transperancy". bull, they are only really promising to muzzle those who talk.

being an avid outdoorsman comes second fiddle to my families needs. i am first a provider, then a hunter/angler.

all that said, doesn't matter who you vote for, they WILL screw things up somehow, someway. taxes, gas, hydro, they will go up. vote for whichever party will suit your own personal needs best.

as terry put it, maybe we can all hook up on the golf course and reminisce about our guns.

It has become very obvious that who has allowed themselves to be brainwashed by their union leadership. In the past I was employed in a union facility. I agree they are necessary but I witnessed a number of employees expending more energy to avoid their job than it would take to do it properly. The underdog employees were against the big bad employer. With that attitude it's no wonder jobs are leaving in droves.

I am in no way defined by my guns,you just don't get it. Hunting and fishing are , by tradition a means of providing for our families. This evening my family enjoyed a meal of wild turkey breast from the tom I harvested Friday. My wife and two of my daughters often hunt with me. It is more enjoyable watching them take an animal than taking one myself.

Look at all Mr Mcguinty has done for us in the last two terms. Our health care has improved, Hydro rates have dropped drastically and thousands of new jobs have been created here in ontario. NOT

I guess we will end up with the government we deserve

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Say what? Union has nothing to do with it. Have you read each parties platforms? Anyway, the only brainwashing going on is what the big blue machine has been doing and continue's to. Harper has never been able to appeal to a majority of voters because of unprecidented number of scandals and lies he has been linked with. Also many of his positions don't sit well with most Canadians. Pro-life, more prisons, tax breaks for corportations, tax breaks for the rich, scrap public health care, leave the elderly poor, take away rights and liberties, etc etc.

But at the end of the day, we have a democratic system and hopefully the combined wisdom of the nation will elect the minority government of their choice.

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No party in the near future will gain a majority for one reason and one reason only. The Bloc!

To the best of my knowledge there has not been one elected federal government without it's fair share of scandals and corruption. Unprecidented number of scandals and lies? Your memory is quite short my friend. Cretien and Mulroney almost qualified for sainthood.

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Hunting isn't a hobby. It defines who I am.

? nuff said.
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It has become very obvious that who has allowed themselves to be brainwashed by their union leadership


Say what? Union has nothing to do with it. Have you read each parties platforms? Anyway, the only brainwashing going on is what the big blue machine has been doing and continue's to. Harper has never been able to appeal to a majority of voters because of unprecidented number of scandals and lies he has been linked with. Also many of his positions don't sit well with most Canadians. Pro-life, more prisons, tax breaks for corportations, tax breaks for the rich, scrap public health care, leave the elderly poor, take away rights and liberties, etc etc.

But at the end of the day, we have a democratic system and hopefully the combined wisdom of the nation will elect the minority government of their choice.

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I never know wether to laugh or cry when people always say Harper is destrying health care and the like. The Canada Health Act stipulates that the provinces and Feds split evenly at 50% each. Obviously I guess the Liberals aren't bound to that. Harper has increased funding to Health Care every Budget by 6% and so was the budget that triggered the election. Yes thats correct. Layton and Iggy voted against increased funding of 6% for heatlth care but some how Harper is destroying Healthcare. What HArper is on record as wanting is "PRIVATE DELIVERY" of fully funded services. That means you still hand the provider your health card and they in turn bill the Provincial Gov. Go to a family Doc, Xray clinic , labratory, Specialist whatever is outside the walls of a hospital and it already is a private delivery of state funded services. You take your kid to the family Doc and he is a privaste provider who bills McGuinty. So you see HArper is just trying to do more of that which saves money. You can keep blowing money like it grows on trees but at some point you go bankrupt. Half the damn countries in the EU are at that point and when that happens guess what? They can't pay the Doc's & Nurses and then you have nothing. What he's trying to reduce is the bureacracy in Ottawa that jacks up the price of healthcare. Otawa spends billions on healthcare yet doesn't actually provide a single service to patients, it's all bureacracy. Rub & Tug Layton says he will add Doctrs and nurses yet we are in a deficit now and can't afford to educate or pay them. I already pay half my salary for the size government we have now. What are they going to want from me to double or triple it like JAck will do?
This country now pays out one dollar for every 3 dollars it takes in on taxes to ervice the debt. That means 1/3 of all revenue only covers the interest and doesn't pay down the principal. Long term all you are doing is preventing your children and grandchildren of the services you enjoy now as the country is not growing enough workers and tax payers to change the demographic trend. We are getting older and healthcare will soon eat up every other service you expect from government. LAyton will accelarate the process and double the size of the unionozed civil service.
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all BS and rants aside, i like things the way they are right now. minority conservative government is okay with me. our country is in relatively good shape considering the way things are elsewhere.

i dont want a a majority conservative, nor do i want either of the other 2. i just like that the conservatives can be held in check.

guess what i really hate most is that we have to vote again in such a short period of time. once we vote in a certain party, it should stay that way for 4 years. period unless of course they are going to turn the country inside out.
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Say what? Union has nothing to do with it. Have you read each parties platforms? Anyway, the only brainwashing going on is what the big blue machine has been doing and continue's to. Harper has never been able to appeal to a majority of voters because of unprecidented number of scandals and lies he has been linked with. Also many of his positions don't sit well with most Canadians. Pro-life, more prisons, tax breaks for corportations, tax breaks for the rich, scrap public health care, leave the elderly poor, take away rights and liberties, etc etc.

But at the end of the day, we have a democratic system and hopefully the combined wisdom of the nation will elect the minority government of their choice.

What right and what Liberty has Harper taken away? Scrap public healthcare? Show me one single service or pprocedure that HArper has proposed be delisted from funding in Canada? You won't find any because it's Provincial jurisdiction. Now, tell me what services that McGuinty delisted? There are several. He cut eye exams in half to only every 2 years now, physiothereapy and the list grows every budget. All this after imposing the hHealthcare tax to prevent it? You say he is against abortions yet he has repeatedly stated that he would not touch that and has voted against any propsed changes that were ever brought in the house by pro life members. What he did do is change the focus of Canada's foreign aid to improve maternal health vs. Abortion in the countries we send aid to. 90% of those countries have abortion listed as illegal and unfunded, Canada has no jurisdiction in telling Zimbabwe on how torun thier lives. I do find it odd though that the left always screams for more funding to kill babies and the right would rather help the mothers and babies who are alive. I have no desire to stop or decrease any funds for abortions and feel it is the woman's choice but feel that it also reduces humanity when it becomes a form of birth control.
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Reasons why the NDP will be official opposition tomorow night to a minority Harper Government:

•Liberals and Conservative basically ran the most negative campaigns ever - dark, brooding goth style pictures from the Conservatives and negative answers from the Liberals
•too many elections- Canadians were tired of the repeated trips to the polls and the expense that that entailed- I don't think Canadians were fooled into thinking the election was the fault of the opposition parties and some would like to punish Harper for that
•Layton and party's optimistic message of empowerment- while the Conservatives and Liberals basically had messages of "you have no choice" or at best from the Liberals a message of damage control
•Harper's scripted campaigning and shutting out of the media - too much control freak there for most Canadians
•Hints of scandals to come- International Criminal Court, convicted criminal in the PMO, and scandals past( NOT), as well as our loss of status with the UN
•Social Media- why with the example of the Middle East Canadian political parties were not ready for this is a little puzzling. Harper has learned that a large part of the message is out of his control - and learned it the hard way
•Usage based billing- This issue is so large with the 20 something set and the determination of young people to defeat it totally underestimated by the Conservatives. There has been media coverage of this issue lately in BC and young people are very motivated to get rid of UBB . With tech jobs disappearing to India and other Asian countries a lot of young people are making their own living online. Usage based billing would actually cause a recession among those innovators and entrepeneurs that exist online.
•Harper's patronising tone of voice - Canadians aren't children and aren't stupid
•People know that the middle class can't pay much more in taxes without collapsing and they know that the corporate tax cuts promised by Harper can't be paid for in any other way except to start axing social programmes or letting them collapse by underfunding them. I think that Canadians don't want drastic change - they want to hold onto the Canada in which they grew up.
•Harper's non participation in the French debate sealed the deal. He was seen as a non player in the Quebec identity question, an economist who only cared about economics. It was a silent reminder of his casual dismissal of culture in the last election that cost him so dearly in Quebec. Meanwhile, he let Ignatieff and Layton stake out critical positions on the Quebec identity question. Ignatieff foolishly opted to dismiss the issue as a leftover from a previous era, while Layton sensitively recognized that it was an issue that has not been resolved, and remains as a legitimate issue for all Canadians. Layton's opponents(and the media) tried to portray this as reopening the Quebec question(which was untrue), but nobody cared outside of Quebec.

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all BS and rants aside, i like things the way they are right now. minority conservative government is okay with me. our country is in relatively good shape considering the way things are elsewhere.

i dont want a a majority conservative, nor do i want either of the other 2. i just like that the conservatives can be held in check.

guess what i really hate most is that we have to vote again in such a short period of time. once we vote in a certain party, it should stay that way for 4 years. period unless of course they are going to turn the country inside out.

The problem is you can't have another Conservative minority. The very first budget will be voted non confidance and then you will have a NDP prime minister supported by the Liberals. The NDP caucus is made up of straw candidates who don't even campaaign, university students and aging hippies. Do you really wasnt some 20 yr old anthropology student who lives off "daddy" now becoming an MP? That student will make $100K salary off your taxes and vote on fiscal policy, domestic policy, foreign policy? You good with that? Personally it scares the hell out of me.
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The problem is you can't have another Conservative minority. The very first budget will be voted non confidance and then you will have a NDP prime minister supported by the Liberals. The NDP caucus is made up of straw candidates who don't even campaaign, university students and aging hippies. Do you really wasnt some 200 yr old anthropology student who lives off "daddy" now becoming an MP? That student will make $100K salary off your taxes and vote on fiscal policy, domestic policy, foreign policy? You good with that? Personally it scares the hell out of me.


You sound just like Harper. Let majority rule. If Harper can not work with other parties then yes, a coalition is good option. You really are concerned about a few ridings with "green" candidates. Who cares? It will be unlikely that NDP win any of those seats, if they win one or two I doubt the sky is going to fall. LOL. I think that some of these "green" candidates will bring a breath of fresh air to a stagnant old boys network. The scariest thing for me is a Conservative majority.


Harper with carte blanche to do more of what he’s doing — ransack parliamentary process, weed out anything connected to government that doesn’t conform to his ideology, trash environmental regulations, cut social programs, give more to large corporations, entrench “deep integration” with the U.S., create more electorally-driven tax havens, put prisons and militarism into overdrive, and give us the full Bush/Cheney treatment................ :yikes:
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all BS and rants aside, i like things the way they are right now. minority conservative government is okay with me. our country is in relatively good shape considering the way things are elsewhere.

i dont want a a majority conservative, nor do i want either of the other 2. i just like that the conservatives can be held in check.

guess what i really hate most is that we have to vote again in such a short period of time. once we vote in a certain party, it should stay that way for 4 years. period unless of course they are going to turn the country inside out.

The problem is you can't have another Conservative minority. The very first budget will be voted non confidance and then you will have a NDP prime minister supported by the Liberals. The NDP caucus is made up of straw candidates who don't even campaaign, university students and aging hippies. Do you really wasnt some 20 yr old anthropology student who lives off "daddy" now becoming an MP? That student will make $100K salary off your taxes and vote on fiscal policy, domestic policy, foreign policy? You good with that? Personally it scares the hell out of me.

could you paint a more extreme picture terry. anthropoly student. okay. like i said before and i'll say it again. whoever gets voted in, like it or not, stays for 4 years. this non confidence crap is a load of BS. thats what has to be changed.
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i guess. pretty sad situation.
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Vote NDP. We need a change in federal politics. :D

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Vote NDP. We need a change in federal politics. :D

So as an Administrator of Hunting Website you are endorsing a Socialist Government who have total disarmment of private citizens as one of it's basic party policies? Wow.
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All lines in the sand aside! My opinion with todays government and the ones of the near future are that it truly is not a democracy!!! When the leader of a political party tells his MP to vote party policy and not what his constituents want. That to me is not democracy!!! We vote our local MP in to represent us!!! Not the party. The course that the party has laid out is a guide to the future but is not in stone. We as the people need to have that say, and when it is ignored and the leader of the party makes up our mind. Well then there is a serious breakdown with a democracy!!! Very few MP's now a days are realistic people that have had or do have real jobs. They look to it as a well set up pension plan for their future and not ours and the people leading the course or giving in site to it are graduates of a political university program that have never really held a job to understand the dynamics of real life. To me we are all puppets on a string anymore and the whole democracy part is gone!!! Time for a party that believes in what we the people can believe in all the time not most of the time! I just don't know if it is any of them that are out there anymore?
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So as an Administrator of Hunting Website you are endorsing a Socialist Government who have total disarmment of private citizens as one of it's basic party policies? Wow.


Wow indeed.

Stephen Harper’s Executive Dictatorship Style Impatient for Majority
By Murray Dobbin, Vancouver

It’s been a long five years for Stephen Harper, his gaggle of ex-Reformers, and the gang of three from Harris-era Ontario – Jim Flaherty, John Baird and Tony Clement. Long and infuriating, I am sure, because for all that time they had to pretend that they were a government. They had to masquerade as people who believed that government could be a force for good. They even “stimulated” the economy. They were a minority government and the big ticket items they really wanted to get their teeth into were out of reach.
They couldn’t slash Medicare or gut the Canada Health Act, they couldn’t cut transfers to the provinces, or further weaken EI, they left the public services unions with their rights intact, they had to leave education alone (more or less), and they didn’t risk slashing the civil service they hate so much.
Even the CBC has been spared (though they raised millions from their loyalists attacking it in fundraising letters).
The frustration level, especially for Harper, must have been almost unbearable. Remember, this is a man who got so frustrated being in opposition as right-hand man to Preston Manning that he bolted from politics altogether.
The place he chose to cleanse himself after all those years having to play the democrat was the National Citizens Coalition, by a big margin the most virulently right-wing organization on the national scene. At the time, he said he was glad to be out of politics so he could say what he really thought.
Harper was hoping for revenge in the last election and blew it by attacking culture. He’s eager for another try, making Jack Layton an offer he had to refuse. And if you want to see what real revenge looks like, give this crowd a majority and they will unleash the most destructive, nation-changing blitzkrieg in living memory.
I can still remember the night that Brian Mulroney won the historic free trade election 1988. It was devastating. But Mulroney was a kindergarten teacher compared to Stephen Harper. Free trade started us down the road to Americanization. Harper will take us to the end of that road and beyond.
Every once in a while some right-wing pundit will opine (hoping to lull us) that Harper has actually gotten accustomed to governing, that his hard edges have seen worn down by the day-to-day responsibility of running a country. It’s a ruse. If you believe that then perhaps you would like to have a look at this bridge I have for sale.
There is nothing to suggest that Harper has mellowed. He is still the past president of the National Citizens Coalition and that is where his heart and mind remain. He will apply its slogan “More freedom through less government” with an efficient and ruthless dedication.
Harper’s “governing” style has done more to put our arcane and anti-democratic voting system under a spotlight and a solid majority of Canadians now support a proportional representation system of voting. Our first-past-the-post voting system combined with cabinet government has always vulnerable to executive dictatorship. But no one really imagined what that could look like until Harper took the reins.
Murray Dobbin is an author and researcher living in B.C.
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Again i find this article to be written by someone that is anti conservative. I vote for the party that best represents me and my family but that party is getting harder to find. Politics create great divides amongst people and because of this we allow all parties to continue. We cannot trust any of them anymore and no matter who gets in we continue to circle the drain. They are all self serving, power hungry people that have forgotten about us the people, the ones they represent. Values that once represented us as Canadians, are now gone. Honesty, integrity, moral values!!! That in my opinion is what lacks in todays politics. All the smear campaigns do is take away from what we really need to hear. I am so sick of hearing about what the others have done wrong and not what they are going to do. Spend that money on working for us not on researching what the others have done in the past. The past is the past and we need to move beyond that. If it is important then it will come up again and come to a vote at that time. Smear campaigns and commercials only help media skewed by certain political parties that run these ads or commercials. Just my rant i guess!!!
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Again i find this article to be written by someone that is anti conservative


Very true. He is definately not a conservative.

Funnny thing is, I am probably more of a right wing or conservative at heart than a left wing liberal. My decisions are based on the past and present performance of the liberal and conservatives. They have pushed me to the NDP in my riding and nationally.
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Pretty crazy looks like a majority Conservative.
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