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How many pass up Jake's
Topic Started: Feb 28 2008, 07:16 AM (671 Views)
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l just saw the post on everyone's biggest bird and these thing's are huge. l've shot six turkey's so far and all of them have been jake's. l was wondering if many of you pass on Jake's in order to kill that Tom. The reason for me not passing on Jake's is that my first season l killed a jake on opening morning and then l decided that l will wait for that Tom, well he never came and l finished with tag soup as many call it.
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Usally depend on what we have been seeing before the season. We are most likely to past on Jakes for the first couple of weeks inless we have setup were we can't let them walk with out educating them to the hunting pressure. Have only had one season where we didn't have to past on jakes managed to shoot 4 toms in three weeks. This years looks as if it might also be a good year for toms also.

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Although i was lucky enough to harvest a mature bird....it was the first ...and it would have hit the dirt either way tom or jake.... :D ....and i'll likely hunt turkey's with the same stratagy as deer(fawn's not included)....first legal animal is for the freezer!!!...then i might hold out for trophy...... :D :cheers: ...


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I will hold out in the beginning of the season when the toms don't realize their being hunted, after that I find it gets a little harder then I will take a jake.
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This is gonna be my first year at it, and highly doubt I'll pass on a jake.
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I have been luckey to have taken 7 Turkeys. 6 Toms and 1 Jake. It's mostly luck, although I do usually hunt where I know there are Toms, at the moment of truth I will take whatever is standing there, atleast for the first tag. The second tag is the one I'll hold out on for a Tom.

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It all depends on the situation. If I only have a few days to hunt and I can take 2 turkeys let's say. Jakes are in trouble. I've shot three jakes and they taste real good. My first bird was a jake.
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the first one gets it and depending on the how much time i have i will try for a tom but so far i have shot many Jakes
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A jake is a lot better eating then a big tough gobbler.
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Feb 28 2008, 09:15 AM
A jake is a lot better eating then a big tough gobbler.

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I like em all, I have 2 jakes and 3 gobs in the past. Only one with the bow and I want to focus on it now so when opportunity knocks, jake, tom or bearded hen they are gonna have close encounters with sharp steel.
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ive only shot one jake and now choose to pass them up.....killing a jake is one less gobbler next year. Sort of the same idea as shooting mature bucks and leaving the little guys to grow.
ITS FUNNY HOW A BIRD WITH A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A PEA, CONTINUES TO OUT SMART ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN!...I LOVE SPRING GOBBLERS.
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my first bird was a jake, not sure how many birds walked in but the first one close enough got it.
My son's first bird he shot when he was 13, had a jake walk through the decoys at less than 20 yards, first time having a bird this close when he had a gun in his hand. he decided not to shoot :yikes: he said he wanted his first to be the boss, i asked several times before that bird walked away "are you sure?" yup he was sure. 3 weeks later and still no bird for him, then it happened, got himself a 22 1/2# double beard tom
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If its legal, it dies. woohoo

The reality is the last couple seasons I have been lucky to get out a few days at best so any oppurtunity to take a bird gets taken.
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Feb 28 2008, 02:22 PM
my first bird was a jake, not sure how many birds walked in but the first one close enough got it.
My son's first bird he shot when he was 13, had a jake walk through the decoys at less than 20 yards, first time having a bird this close when he had a gun in his hand. he decided not to shoot :yikes: he said he wanted his first to be the boss, i asked several times before that bird walked away "are you sure?" yup he was sure. 3 weeks later and still no bird for him, then it happened, got himself a 22 1/2# double beard tom
what a rush

thats awesome..... :shoot: Now he'll never want to shoot a jake!
ITS FUNNY HOW A BIRD WITH A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A PEA, CONTINUES TO OUT SMART ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN!...I LOVE SPRING GOBBLERS.
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Feb 28 2008, 03:22 PM
my first bird was a jake, not sure how many birds walked in but the first one close enough got it.
My son's first bird he shot when he was 13, had a jake walk through the decoys at less than 20 yards, first time having a bird this close when he had a gun in his hand. he decided not to shoot :yikes: he said he wanted his first to be the boss, i asked several times before that bird walked away "are you sure?" yup he was sure. 3 weeks later and still no bird for him, then it happened, got himself a 22 1/2# double beard tom
what a rush

That awesome Ian.. :cheers:

The only reason you wanted him to harvest the Jake was so you could get the gun from him the rest of the season. lol))) lol))) lol))) I know I've been there. lol)))

The MNR should let apprentice hunters purchase a turkey tag.(more money for them)

I have shot a jake but the last few years have passed on them but i just really enjoy getting out. With that said i only missed hunting 4 days last year.
like TEAM TENPOINT said a Jake is next years Tom.

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i don't know much about turkey hunting but any jake or tom that i have a chance at will go down, 2 bird limit of course. It will be my first gobbler hunt this spring and looking forward to it... :allright:
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get r done and chevy, what ever walks on by with a beard is yours for the taking, i should be tagged out by then :D i hope

and Road i had my bird the second day so that tag was his to fill, crazy kid was wanting to get up nice and early so we could hunt a couple of hours and then i would drop him off at school, think i might of even got that story of my son published in a hunting magazine :wink:
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I've never shot a jake yet, but my first year I certainly would have if the opportunity presented itself.

After my first tom I decided never to shoot a jake and I think they all knew that I made the promise because I step all over them now. Here's a picture from a group of 11 jakes right after they had a big gang fight...

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here's two jakes that Kevin and I worked for 1hr and 45 minutes before bringing them into range. We thought they were toms and only realized they were jakes about the time I took this picture. They finally presented a shot and after working them for so long they were really tempting but they walked...

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Here's one of my favourite pictures. This is Kevin hiding behind a decoy. We snuck up on this group of jakes out in a cow pasture with the hill hiding us and as they came in closer and crested the hill, we only had the decoy to hide behind and we still called them into shotgun range and could have killed them. They hung around forever trying to figure out what we were...

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thats a great last picture *L*
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great pics Paul :cheers:
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How about a detiled map to that spot Paul? LOL!
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I think Kevin is a little toooooo close to the pie in that last pic. lol))) I didn't know you needed cover scent. :cheers:
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I think Kevin is a little toooooo close to the pie in that last pic. lol))) I didn't know you needed cover scent. :cheers:

now thats funny :haha:
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turkeys are different than deer in many ways. You can't compare the 2. Passing on a jake doesn't do anymore to help your local turkey pop necessarily. That jake probabaly won't be there anyway next year. If you want to shoot mature animals only then really you should pass on 2 yr old gobblers as well. I mean they will run in to the gun, all horny, more then a jake will sometimes. They are basically still young ones with bigger fans and finally some spurs. I personlly love 2 yr olds. Yes, I'd shoot a mature 4 yr old if given the choice but man, who cares when you're actually out there on that given day trying to fill a tag.

The hunt is also different than with deer. It's about what unfolds, how it unfolds, how long it takes, what the birds does in the process, how you hunted him, where you hunted him that day or the next. At the end of it all if it's a jake or gobbler it shouldn't matter. I mean let's be honest, most every turkey looks pretty much alike. Except for a few 1/8 of inches on beards and spurs whats different? Bucks are more unique for the most part. All that stuff can still apply to a deer hunt but what buck you shoot might very well matter a bit more.

I've shot mostly longbeards and passed on many jakes but the couple jakes I've killed were more recent. The circumstances of those hunts were what made those birds special.

I like a nice set of spurs but if I spend all morning runnin' and gunnin' on a particular bird, work him with the calls and finally after hours get him into gun range.......bam! he goes down and I'm happier than a pig in sh!t. That's as rewarding as a sharp set of spurs.

The fact that I have a couple fans on the wall with a few feathers shorter than the others doesn't matter. Actually gives a little variety.

On this day I found another hunter in my blind. Rather than screwing up the morning for both of us I helped call in the longbeard for him. After the shot I called in these jakes. He couldn't figure out why I didn't shoot. It was already a successful morning and it was also April 26th. I would of never regretted passing on these if I ended up eating tag soup. If I thought I would of had regret I would of whacked one for sure however.

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I pass up Jakes but I have no problem with others shooting them. I hunt almost every day of the season so I have a lot more opportunity to take Toms. Opening day I passed up 15 Jakes. When I first started turkey hunting I would be happy to just get a crack at a Jake. Its not a turkey management decision bacause a Jake is better to take thean a Tom mainly because most Jakes are not capable of successfully breeding a hen compared to a Tom. I hunt Toms because I like the challenge and I have a pile of time and experience at hunting Toms. I do guide and take others out who are more than happy to take a Jake.
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I usually only get to hunt 1 or 2 days of turkey season, so I don't think I would hesitate to shoot a Jake if it offered me a shot but so far I have been fortunate enough to take gobblers, but when it cames down to it, if its a legal bird its getting it :archer: .
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In Ontario I would not shoot a jake as long as I knew what the bird is. Now saying that I did shoot a jake in Texas one time with a Full fan and that did fool me. When I'm on the road down in the USA I will at last chance the end of the hunt take a jake if thats all the offering I get. Reason because I spend to darn much money on Non Resident tags. Everyone to their own, I hold nothing against anyone if they take a jake, as I see it they are all trophies.

Now - How in the day lights does one tell the difference between a two year old and a mature 4 year old, if you don't see the spurs before hand ;)

Most adult birds all look the same to me if the have a beard that hangs and a Full fan. I've shot a number of adults and can not tell just by looking at them unless I see spurs. So I just wondered as I thought I read that up there :crazy: lol)))
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Now - How in the day lights does one tell the difference between a two year old and a mature 4 year old, if you don't see the spurs before hand


lol. Very true. Not sure he meant that he could discern the difference just that he would take a 4 year old over a 2 year old if given the choice and assuming he could tell the difference. The only way in my opinion to tell if a bird may be older is by the birds behaviour and other subtle clues but definately not difinitive. Just things that tell you that the odds are this or that. Now this is just my experience and understanding and does by no means mean I am right.....often mature gobblers are alone. They also, act smarter and often are more difficult to work. 2 years are often still in groups of siblings if they were fortunate enough to not be too badly disturbed from hunting or predation etc. I have seen 2 year olds in groups of 2 to 5 birds quite often. The few mature gobblers I have taken or seen taken were loners. Maybe in two's but rarely more, if a large group the one or two mature gobblers act different than the rest. Also, if you get to watch the gobblers, sometimes you may be able to tell who is dominant. Could be more mature. This is all just shades of grey. In the real world, if it has a full fan and some decent beard it is a shooter. Only once have I seen spurs clearly on an approaching gobbler that Deb was working. It was a good one and I had the shot she didn't. lol. I had no gun or tag.... :(
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Now - How in the day lights does one tell the difference between a two year old and a mature 4 year old, if you don't see the spurs before hand


lol. Very true. Not sure he meant that he could discern the difference just that he would take a 4 year old over a 2 year old if given the choice and assuming he could tell the difference. The only way in my opinion to tell if a bird may be older is by the birds behaviour and other subtle clues but definately not difinitive. Just things that tell you that the odds are this or that. Now this is just my experience and understanding and does by no means mean I am right.....often mature gobblers are alone. They also, act smarter and often are more difficult to work. 2 years are often still in groups of siblings if they were fortunate enough to not be too badly disturbed from hunting or predation etc. I have seen 2 year olds in groups of 2 to 5 birds quite often. The few mature gobblers I have taken or seen taken were loners. Maybe in two's but rarely more, if a large group the one or two mature gobblers act different than the rest. Also, if you get to watch the gobblers, sometimes you may be able to tell who is dominant. Could be more mature. This is all just shades of grey. In the real world, if it has a full fan and some decent beard it is a shooter. Only once have I seen spurs clearly on an approaching gobbler that Deb was working. It was a good one and I had the shot she didn't. lol. I had no gun or tag.... :(

Rene, you are looking at it the way I do only I don't put it in words. I do have one way I can tell a Older Mature bird over a two year Old, I just wanted to see if others have the same method... :wink:
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I've shot one turkey before and it was a jake. Wouldn't hesitate to take another one either.
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Ya ya. You know what I meant. I too think that there is a way to possibly determine whether you have a mature or young bird. And no you can't guess exct years by looking at them. That is the point. Who cares? My point was exactly what you and I have BOTH done. Worked a bird and found it to be a full fanned longbeard. If it's in range, we kill it :moderator: if that's what we set out to do ( and if the camera's on it and the rec. buttons pushed :shy: ) Don't know that we spend much time complaining if we pick it up and see it's a 2yr old when it's done. Last couple birds I watched you kill I remember exactly what went down but don't have a clue what they ended up being in terms of spur length. We also both enjoy going after that stubborn hard to hunt wiley old gobbler because he probably has big, sharp, nasty spurs. I've never heard you say"I passed because he's only a 2 yr old" lol)))

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Well boys.......I had a great time hunting with you guys and my Jake was just as good as your 6 year old bird Steve. ;)

Usually I will pass on a Jake but when the presure is on and the camera is rolling.

:wink: AND IT'S RECORDING :wink:

Any Jake is in trouble. :shoot:

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6 yr old? Come on man! That thing had big, sharp, curly spurs. He had to be 8 or 9 yrs old at least.

Ya that other guy is good with a camera. He is the :guitarjam:
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When the time comes, I'll have no problem with my first bird (and future birds) being a jake. I still located it, set-up on it, and convinced it to come awfully close to a piece of foam. To me, that's the cool part, not the spurs or beard.
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Jake's will be in big trouble if they answer to me...........not holding my breath though :(


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I kinda take the one with the larger head, more wattels and less feathers when I want to give it away to someone I do not like and if it is for our moose camp to feed four a 12lb jake will do?
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I passed up a jake on the first day of the season last year. I never seen another gobbler/jake for the rest of the season. This year I'll take a jake for the first one and maybe hold off for a good tom on the second. If nothing comes and times run out...Ill take a second jake.
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I was fortunate enough to tag a giant Tom my first season 9 seasons ago for my first bird. I made up my mind then I would never knowingly shoot a jake after that and I haven't. I have nothing against shooting jakes it was just my personal decision. I have been able to tag 15 toms in those 9 seasons with 4 coming falling to my compound. I pass on 'lots' of jakes with my bow aswell. I haven't been able to pass on any 2yr olds though. I really want to tag a big mature bird with my bow but I think that is almost as hard if not harder than taking a mature buck with the bow in the fall.
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