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Fall turkey season
Topic Started: Jun 16 2008, 08:14 AM (846 Views)
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A fall wild turkey hunting season has been approved in Wildlife Management Units 64, 67, 68, 73, 76, 77, 78, 81, 82, 84, 89, 90, 92, and 93. The season will run each year from the Tuesday following Thanksgiving until the second Sunday following Thanksgiving. Looks like it's a go.

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I wonder if we get to use our tags from the spring that we didn't get to fill or is that just wishful thinking??
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Jun 16 2008, 11:55 AM
I wonder if we get to use our tags from the spring that we didn't get to fill or is that just wishful thinking??

Don't see why not? Its a 2008 tag.
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Not sure but the way it was described was a SPRING hunt and a Fall hunt. Two birds in the spring , one bird in the fall any sex. I'll dig some more.

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I'm a little confused myself. So if you tagged out in the spring then you can't go in the fall?
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Jun 16 2008, 09:58 AM
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Jun 16 2008, 11:55 AM
I wonder if we get to use our tags from the spring that we didn't get to fill or is that just wishful thinking??

Don't see why not? Its a 2008 tag.

HUM, no. Common, it's the MNR were talking about here guys.... lol)))
You'll surelly have to buy another tag and spend your money again, we should know by now, I know I do lol))) lol)))
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Jun 16 2008, 11:55 AM
I wonder if we get to use our tags from the spring that we didn't get to fill or is that just wishful thinking??

Don't see why not? Its a 2008 tag.

HUM, no. Common, it's the MNR were talking about here guys.... lol)))
You'll surelly have to buy another tag and spend your money again, we should know by now, I know I do lol))) lol)))

True. So this means three turkeys in a year. I wonder if it will specifically say "fall" hunt?
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Not Sure myself CC...but imo they are going to allow us a fall tag also....this way they will also be able to collect more fee's....just my opinion though....



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So now that hens are being targeted why would we have to take the turkey course ?
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Found this today

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Provincial fall wild turkey regulations now in force
O.F.A.H. welcomes hunt, advises hunters to review regulations before fall season

As promised by the Ministry of Natural Resources (M.N.R.), there will be a fall wild turkey season in designated parts of Ontario this year. Changes to regulations pertaining to wild turkey in the Open Seasons-Wildlife section under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, were finalized on May 15 and are now in force. The move had been expected, as the fall hunt was proposed in the Wild Turkey Management Plan, which was posted on the Environmental Bill of Rights (E.B.R.) for public comment in February.

"The Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (O.F.A.H.) is pleased that the fall wild turkey season will proceed as promised in parts of Ontario," said O.F.A.H. Executive Director Mike Reader. "The wild turkey is thriving, and expanded hunting opportunities provide for sound wildlife management, time in the outdoors for hunters, and economic benefits for many communities that derive their livelihood from the outdoor industry."

A fall wild turkey hunting season has been approved in Wildlife Management Units 64, 67, 68, 73, 76, 77, 78, 81, 82, 84, 89, 90, 92, and 93. The season will run each year from the Tuesday following Thanksgiving until the second Sunday following Thanksgiving.

Regulations for the fall season vary slightly from the spring, so the O.F.A.H. is strongly encouraging hunters to thoroughly review the regulations before the season opens. Whereas in the spring hunters may purchase two licences and harvest a season total of two birds over two or more days, the fall limit is one bird per hunter, per season. Unlike the spring season, fall harvested wild turkeys may be of either gender, with or without a beard.

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* The O.F.A.H. initiated the highly successful program to bring back the extirpated eastern wild turkey to Ontario more than twenty years ago.
* There has been a hunting season since 1987, and during that time, wild turkey populations have continually increased. Moderate estimates place Ontario's turkey population at well over 70,000 birds.
* The wild turkey is a popular game bird, even though hunters require special training and certification to obtain the turkey designation on their hunting licence.
* Since 1987, the O.F.A.H. has trained 78,300 turkey hunters in seminars held across Ontario.
* Last year, wild turkey licence sales contributed $936,789 to the M.N.R. Special Purpose Account.

With 83,000 members and 655 member clubs, the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters is the leading fish and wildlife conservation organization in Ontario.

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Not liking this at all. Unless your the sole hunter on a property this is going to suck for bowhunters!!!!
October 14th is the start and and the second sunday is the 26th, this is getting into great bowhunting time, the end of October is my favourite.

No drives, no entering safe zones for the deer, not in our woods during archery deer just to get a turkey
I"m not happy about this at all, i wish we had one bearded turkey tag in the spring and one hen tag before archery season'
Way to go MNR, creating an unsafe woods for bowhunters while shotguns go a blazing in the deer woods chasing turkeys, at least it will be a bit safer up in the tree.
You definatley are allowed a 3rd bird if you've already tagged out in the spring., thats how i read it.

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Well, I wouldn't say that this is going to make the woods any less safe than a bunch of grouse hunters of bunny hunters walking through the bush, especially considering you fire at flying grouse while it's in the air.

Fall turkey hunting is similar to spring hunting in that you generally call them in. But first you have to find a flock and bust them up, and then start calling to try and bring the flock back together to hopefully get one in range. That's my understanding, anyways...I haven't actually done it. But for the most part, people shooting at a turkey in the fall will still be sitting on the ground in full camo, trying to get the birds to come in to them. There will generally not be much flush shooting at a turkey...

If I was a betting man, I suspect many might try and combine their deer and fall turkey hunting...there's no rule against shooting a turkey from your tree stand while you're deer hunting (just not over bait, technically speaking)

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my guess is that the poachers who decide not to follow property lines in the spring will now not follow them in the fall.

I would suggest to all that you have the CO's number handy and make the call, forget the BS and have them charged, eventually they will learn.

The property i hunt has gotten better since the farmer stopped a group from Toronto from coming, they seemed to travel 3 properties over for turkeys and deer and be rather flippant about it when i talked to them.

I plan on sticking a bird with the bow while i am out for deer if the opportunity allows, heck i might even stick out a decoy when deer hunting, sort of like a confidence decoy (like a blue heron decoy when duck hunting).
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i agree a poacher in the spring will be a poacher in the fall, but its yet another season for them to get out poaching.
The most common fall method is to get out there and bust the flocks up, then call them back to you.
So if your poaching, you get out there and bust the flocks up, and wreck whoevers deer hunt.
At least in the spring you weren't trying to move through the bush, seen, busting up flocks.
I don't have grouse or pheasant hunters in my area, at least that i know of, have never seen them while hunting. So for me, its not at all similiar to bird hunters being out there, this seems real dangerous.
I'm assuming there is or will be a new rule that we must wear orange to and from the stand during this two week period, just like bear hunting.

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have seen a trespasser flock shoot turkeys, not sure how many birds he wounded but he did manage to kill a hen.

I can almost picture his face when the CO showed up at his house where he was in the process of plucking his bird.

glad we had the number and a pen to write down his license plate
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thats great. I'm hoping to turn a few in this year myself :readytorock:
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hMMM,i SEE MY SOLE AREA FOR BOWHUNTING ISNT ON THE LIST,OH WELL,MAYBE NEXT YEAR :(
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be happy , i have a feeling this is not going to be to popular with your bowhunters out there in the deer woods after they've done a ton of work, scouting and setting up stands only to have it ruined by guys/gals tromping through the bush trying to break up turkey flocks :crazy:
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I have not been able to find out if the fall season is archery only. I believe that most, if not all, fall hunts in the States are archery only. I believe that if it is only archery only, then it would not effect the archery deer hunt, only enable you to harvest a turkey when and iff they should pass by.

Does anyone know of a link to the actual fall turkey season regulations (been only tod that the two seasons have different regualtions and to check with the MNR.

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be happy , i have a feeling this is not going to be to popular with your bowhunters out there in the deer woods after they've done a ton of work, scouting and setting up stands only to have it ruined by guys/gals tromping through the bush trying to break up turkey flocks :crazy:

Bryan,

I have for days read your replies and can not for the life of me understand why you could keep replying in a negative way over a Fall season yet say you will buy a Fall Turkey Tag in Ontario and hunt them if they walk by.

I will tell you and everyone on this board that Fall Turkey hunting is NOT as much of a problem as most thing. These conflists will happen, and will with every type of hunting no matter what you are hunting, but not on the high percentage you seem to be alerting everyone about.

The crying and bawling of Bow hunters really surprise me because all you need to do settle down and think about this issue and read from people that Know BOTH of the sports.

Turkey hunting in the fall is not going to be as bad as you keep hoping about. 75% of all hunters will be Moose hunting and will not pass up a once a year hunt for a turkey, believe me. That leaves 25% of hunters left in which only so many will be a turkey hunter. They could be small game hunters, duck and goose hunters, fishermen something else that they enjoy instead of being out there walking around your bow stand to stop you from getting a shot on a trophy buck on the bow season. If we ban Moose hunting then you better worry and bad,about your bow hunting places and spots because only then will you see the nightmare, you are wondering about. Bow hunting opens up on the first of October in most places that are going to allow a Fall turkey hunt. You have two weeks to get that buck and Bow hunt before hand and if it happens that you don't, so you may have one problem with a turkey hunter one day and beleive me turkeys move in great distance in the fall in search of food let a lone when they are presured in an area, so they are not going to hang around and be shot at in the same location location you hunt every single day.

I hunt Fall turkeys and have so for about 8-9 years and I will tell you the PA has a season that comes in about the same and I have yet had a problem with any Bow hunter let alone another turkey hunter and they have 10X the hunters we have with NO moose hunt to take away the highest population of hunters at the time of the hunt in question.

Believe me your getting all worked up for nothing and this comes from a person that bows hunts as much or more then the rest of Ontarians out there...
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I have not been able to find out if the fall season is archery only. I believe that most, if not all, fall hunts in the States are archery only. I believe that if it is only archery only, then it would not effect the archery deer hunt, only enable you to harvest a turkey when and iff they should pass by.

Does anyone know of a link to the actual fall turkey season regulations (been only tod that the two seasons have different regualtions and to check with the MNR.

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I kill turkeys in the morning with a shotgun and Bucks in the afternoon with a Bow in PA.

Most if not all Fall turkey seasons in the USA are shotguns.......
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You have two weeks to get that buck

Two weeks to get that buck? If i could take a monster buck with a bow in two weeks i'd have my own hunting show woohoo.
No matter how you slice it, shotguns in the archery season is not good in my opinion. Not in the little woodlots that we hunt
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I agree with you onmedic.....i can see conflict...especially if you only have public land to hunt....most of these area's they are allowing a hunt in are area's that do not allow dog's to hunt deer ....yet hunting turkey's in the fall with dog's is accepted....just when the rut is about to start...good bye all that hard work scouting and patterning a buck...after the turkey hunter's and their dog's wander through trying top scare up some turkey's...mr. buck will be long gone.....i hear lotsa people say there won't be conflict because we already have season's that run together at the same time.....smallgame/ duck's /goose......but out of all this other game i think turkey's are the one's that are hunted the same as deer....and in the same area's geographically....this will create conflict ...IMO....


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Maybe we should go back to the way Bow hunting used to be. Cut back the season and allow time for Turkey hunters ?

Ever think of that. Why is it that Bow hunting is so important ? Why is it better then any other sport ? Why is it that Bow hunters should get choice over any other type of hunter ?

Sorry Guys The arguements just don't make bow hunters look good. You choose to Bow hunt because of a longer season, but yet knock down anyone else that may have a chance to enjoy a different sport.

Safety in the woods is another farce, this is why we all in Ontario have to take a safety program before you can carry a hunting licence and gun into the woods.

I'm not sure why I'm waisting my time debating this because I Bow hunt and turkey hunt and don't feel or see any problems, it just all sounds like Bow hunters are Now set out from all the rest of the hunting world and I have a word for that that you would not like. They do not have anymore reason to use the woods then any other hunter out there.

lets get rid of Cross Bows now, we don't need them and if you want to be a Bow hunter Draw back a compound instead. Kinda sound like that same thing don't it.

If you bow hunters don't want to have any problems then get Soal permission Plain and simple.

Kit, your Crown Land and small parcels complaint does not justify other users of these lands like ATV's, dirt bikes, Horse back riders, tell me why these type of land users don't change the pattern of them big racks ?

Dogs runing your hunt Come On ! you can come up with something better then that ? There is not a Dog in Ontario that I know of, that can hunt Turkeys and a good trained turkey dog would be the last of your worries. Turkey dogs do not run all over the woods they stay with the hunter....

Please gather info on this before you type out debate so it all makes sence...
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Cool nothing to worry about then eh!!!!....all that you spew is just your opionion....and as a turkey guide in this province..another hunt is just more money in your pocket....who care's how it will effect other's eh!!!..I can understand why you defend it like you do .....NO where in my post did i suggest that me or bow hunter's had any more right's than other's to use public land you said that....I'm all for more opertunity's to hunt i just think this one is at the wrong time of year ....AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION.....


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You choose to Bow hunt because of a longer season

I choose to bowhunt because i love bowhunting, maybe you choose it because its a longer season, but i don't.
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There are tons of deer hunters on the public property where I grouse hunt, and tons of ATV's, horseback riders, and locals that use the land for their own enjoyment. Some guy and his dog that are setting up on a field edge to wait for a flock of turkeys to bust up is no different than some other deer hunter setting up in a climber treestand 50 yards away without knowing.

If anything, I would say that it's the dedicated turkey hunter who runs a greater risk of having his hunt ruined by other hunters...not the other way around. I don't believe you're going to find a lot of hunters running through the bush to bust up a flock...you have to find the flock first...they are going to be just as weary in the fall as in the spring, and there are many more eyes watching, so it's not like you'll be able to sneak up on a flock before busting them up.

I hunt grouse walking some field edges, and believe me, I'm not quiet about it as I look to flush a grouse. Are you saying that this doesn't affect the deer hunters sitting in a stand that I don't see? Should we then get rid of grouse hunting to preserve the deer hunting?

btw, I think it's going to be the same rules regarding firearms as the spring (bow and shotguns with # 4,5, or 6 shot size)

My personal views regarding the fall hunt is that I don't want it in my area, but only because I don't want to want to hunt something else at that time...I barely have enough time on my hands to hunt grouse and deer in the fall... :D

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Cool nothing to worry about then eh!!!!....all that you spew is just your opionion....and as a turkey guide in this province..another hunt is just more money in your pocket....who care's how it will effect other's eh!!!..I can understand why you defend it like you do .....NO where in my post did i suggest that me or bow hunter's had any more right's than other's to use public land you said that....I'm all for more opertunity's to hunt i just think this one is at the wrong time of year ....AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION.....


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Seems now this debate is turning nasty.

Kit, I have a opinion yes, and you do to. I'm only trying to give you people that have the wrong view a different angle to look at.

Guiding Nope not a chance, I don't have time for that because I'm a Bow hunter.

Sorry if this got you all upset, it was to be civil
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we'll all get along fine, will see how the first ever fall season goes then make opinions from that.
Good luck to everyone that is going to be out there turkey hunting. And yes i will have a tag for a hen with my bow, just cause i've never taken a hen with a bow before, look, i found a good thing about the fall season, will try and stay positive until we have a sesaon under our belts.
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When I first started bow hunting there was no shotgun season in my WMU and when the shotgun season was introduced I was one unhappy bow hunter. We hunt smaller woodlots and the deer numbers are way down but we still get our deer and good sized bucks. We now have a longer bow season, longer shotgun season, ( 3 days at first, 5 days and now 6 days). We also have a 6 day muzzleloader deer season. I hated every change but I lived with it and make it the best hunt I can each day I am in the woods. I hate the thought of a fall turkey season but I moose hunt first and usually miss the best part of the rut for deer. Most of my big bucks were taken with a bow after the shotgun season. Sometimes when we worry about change it is because we put every hunter at the same level as we are for taking game and not everyone in the woods has that same ability. I have a lot of hunts ruined by other hunters, etc and even the farmer who owns the land working his land at prime time. It really does not matter what we as hunters think the MNR or our politations have the final say?
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Good post fjj243...i truly feel the same way....i have my opinion and that is just it my opinion.... :crazy: ....


And regardless of my opinion ...my post may have come off a little strong.....no offence i hope Adrian.... but you are telling us we are out right wrong to have this opinion and that is why i think i re-act the way i do ....with this post and all the rest i have responded to that you are also involved with....NO offence but i don't think that before the hunt happen's that you can say we have a wrong veiw...again my apoligies...Adrian ....was not intended to be any thing other than civil..... :cheers:



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I think what Adrian is trying to say is that we all have our opinions as to what is going to happen, but none of it (or I suppose most of it, I can't say 'none' for sure) is based on actual experience because this is the first time a fall season will be held in Ontario.

As Adrian has indicated, he has been hunting the fall seasons in the US for quite a few years and has direct experience in how it turned out, and how it affected other hunters. He's merely trying to convey his experience, which seems to contradict a lot of our opinions.

As onmedic put it, let's see how it goes and make our opinions from that.

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15% of our bird got shot this year lets shot 15% more this fall :cheers:
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As Adrian has indicated, he has been hunting the fall seasons in the US for quite a few years and has direct experience in how it turned out, and how it affected other hunters.

What kind of land was he hunting on ?

public property or private ?

Do you think any one hunting Fall Turkeys is going to stop and ask some one in a tree stand how his hunt going. :sick:
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Well , I already booked a week off for the Fall Turkey.
I hunt crownland and private and I'll be using the shotgun some days but likely the crossbow most .
The Spring tags have "Spring" stamped on them so it looks like another $20 some odd bucks again for the fall.
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Well , I already booked a week off for the Fall Turkey.
I hunt crownland and private and I'll be using the shotgun some days but likely the crossbow most .
The Spring tags have "Spring" stamped on them so it looks like another $20 some odd bucks again for the fall.

Yeah...it's my understanding that a new fall tag will be issued...too bad you can't turn in the unused spring tag as a "swap" for the fall tag..
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I have not been able to find out if the fall season is archery only. I believe that most, if not all, fall hunts in the States are archery only. I believe that if it is only archery only, then it would not effect the archery deer hunt, only enable you to harvest a turkey when and iff they should pass by.

Does anyone know of a link to the actual fall turkey season regulations (been only tod that the two seasons have different regualtions and to check with the MNR.

Thanks.

Tom,

I kill turkeys in the morning with a shotgun and Bucks in the afternoon with a Bow in PA.

Most if not all Fall turkey seasons in the USA are shotguns.......

Sorry Adrian but I was under the impression (from friends in the US that fall hunt turkeys) that their season was archery only.

I would really like to get a link to the regulations some how to really see what the differences are that they talk about.

I do see a real problem in Ontario if they allow it as a shotgun hunt during the archery season for deer. Here is the problem that I see ............................. The Ontario Regulations say that if you are pacipatating in an Archery Only hunt, you are not allowed to carry a firearm, even if it is to hunt another quarry which has a legal season at that time. I have been told by the MNR Office that if you posses a BEAR LICENCE and your grouse hunting (no Orange required to grouse hunt) you are required to wear Orange because you have a valid tag for bear. That the MNR officer will deam your hunting that animal if you posses a valid tag on you, even if your are truely not hunting that animal, but another.

What will happen if your hunting turkeys with a shotgun and you still have a deer tag on you and you get checked, I can see a real problem here.

What we really need to do is find out what the regulations really say as to what is going to happen. before we start to condem or put other people's opinions down.

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I do not want to beat this topic up any more BUT to compare a U.S. state to Ontario for fall turkey hunts is not the same? WE had a tough winter this year and I found a lot of turkey feather piles while dogging yotes. When I go south as soon as I cross the border most of the snow stops, U.S. turkey have a easier winter and the farther you go north the less tusrkey you will find. I just do not trust the MNR, they lied to us about the moose tags and they will never stop the fall turkey hunt because they need the cash, cash they lost due to cancelling spring bear etc. The good news for me is my WMU is not a fall turkey unit, yet, but I still am against it and will be while sitting in the bush when there is a fall season in our unit. I spent 30 days in our moose camp last fall and I want to stay longer this fall so enjoy your fall this fall.
Experience is what you gain from not getting something you wanted.
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Well i won't be buying a tag....don't want to have to try and convince a co that i'm only deer hunting over my apple's..with a valid turkey tag in my wallet....(.there is a link to a site at the mnr with the new fall turkey reg's...at the lodge...i'm not computer savy enough to get it up over here)....as alway's it is illegal to hunt turkey's over bait....but now the reg's say's 400 meter's from a place that bait has been deposited...unless the spot has been free of bait for seven(7) day's......any thing that is put out that attract's them will be considered bait.....i use apples/corn in the fall for deer ...sooooo...just so there will be no confusion..., i will not hold a licence for fall turkey .....No licence mean's i couldn't possibly be hunting turkey's...no confusion....... :D .... :cheers:


....oh and don't take this post the wrong way....i have no problem what so ever with the baiting restriction for turkey's...no problem at all.... :cheers:


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I hunt turkey in the Michigan fall season every year in an area heavily hunted for deer by bow hunters and I have yet to have a conflict. Maybe I am doing something wrong and will get one this year, conflict that is. I have however had several conficts with other deer bowhunters just walking through my area on the pretext that they wounded a deer some properties over and are just trying to recover it. Every time I offer to assist they decline the help and for some reason never stop at the house to ask permission or help to recover a deer, which I would gladly have offered. So i guess its just a matter of ones perspective. I think beause this season is new it is being met with both apprehension for some and elation by others. I believe only time will tell.
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