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equal or different
Crossbow 0 (0%)
compound 6 (35.3%)
shotgun 2 (11.8%)
no difference 9 (52.9%)
Total Votes: 17
cross bow, compound or shotgun; for contest points
Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 08:10 PM (381 Views)
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figured i would throw this out there for the point issue. The biggest thing you need to ask yourself before answering the poll is whether or not the difference in a pop up blind really makes a difference. Definatly more challenge to draw back on a bird with no blind but not many birds taken last year with a bow was done without a blind.
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The poll is confusing. Is it crossbow vs. compound as the title asks? You can't put shotgun in with archery gear but in my opinion archery gear is archery gear.
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You raise a good point, we should differentiate between the use of blind and no blind. If a blind is used then make compound and crossbow worth equal points, if a compound bow is used w/o a blind, then it deserves a higher point score. Long bow and Compound bow should be considered the same when assigning a point score.

BTW I use a crossbow.

Ven

PS i think the poll question is a little confusing! :crazy: It needs to be clarified.
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If I harvest a bird at 15-20yds sitting in the wide open with my xbow and no blind
taking into consideration that I probably had to reposition at some point more than
likely multiple times and I am also calling how is that any less of a challenge than
sitting in a glorified tent being able to move whenever I want :crazy: . In this scenario, in
my opinion it takes more skill with an xbow or even a gun to take that bird.

Now if you are sitting in the open with a trad or compound there is certainly more
skill or patience or both required to take a bird. Just that much more movement
to conceal.

So I guess I agree with venpiscator

And yes the poll doesn't make sense.
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if you were sitting out in the open with a gun or a crossbow, i think it is just as equal of a challenge to take a bird, since all you have to do is pick up the gun or the bow, but with a compound drawing back, waiting for the perfect shot, and calling all at once you would def need a blind.
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The North shore of L. Erie

Just reread it again, I think if a blind is used regardless of the weapon it
should be worth less points. JMO.
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i changed the poll to include shotguns, its going to be difficult to figure out which is more of a challenge, even with a shotgun in the open is more difficult than a recurve in a blind.

I am looking for feedback as to how the poll can make sense though, or we just allow a bird is a bird is a bird no matter how we take them, hence the doesn;t make a difference part of the poll :allright:
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fishnhunt
Feb 25 2009, 09:38 PM
If I harvest a bird at 15-20yds sitting in the wide open with my xbow and no blind
taking into consideration that I probably had to reposition at some point more than
likely multiple times and I am also calling how is that any less of a challenge than
sitting in a glorified tent being able to move whenever I want :crazy: . In this scenario, in
my opinion it takes more skill with an xbow or even a gun to take that bird.


Rob I just happen to have a extra bow and tent for you (;
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I didn't mean any offence Randy, it just seems sometimes xbows get a bad rap like
it takes no skill to hunt with one. If you are eye to eye with a tom at 15yds I don't
think it matters what you have in your hands you have to be able to read that bird
like a book and know exactly when you can move without getting busted. Being
inside a tent certainly takes that factor out of the equation. There is no question
however, that it takes more practice and skill to become proficient at shooting a
trad or compound. That wasn't my point.

And I would certainly take you up on your offer if that is what it was I used to shoot
my dads longbow that he hand made with some proficiency years ago.

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My thoughts are the only difference between a shotgun and a x-bow is affective range. Both use the same firing mechanisim. Now bring a compound in the picture completely different. Alot more movement involved in drawing the bow inside a blind or not. Once the x-bow is cocked it is the same as a loaded shotgun. Pull the trigger and bird goes down. Less room for error with the x-bow but that is the same as the compound.
IMHO
Shotgun a challenge
x-bow less range a greater challenge
Compound the biggest challenge alot of movement

Just my thoughts

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I believe guns and archery should be worth different values, shotguns shoot patterns archery equipment does not, birds also have the potential to react to the sound of archery equipment which may result in a miss, not so much with guns.

I have taken birds with a shotgun and tried to with archery (without success) and I can honestly say for me that it has been more difficult with bow in hand.

Archery equipment should be worth more than guns in my opinion and that would be as far as I would break it down with respect to equipment.

However if you want to break it down further I think crossbows should be less than compounds or traditional because of the extra movement for the latter and the fact that Xbows have a tendancy to be more acurate and can be shot from a rest.
You can break it down even further and reduce values for using blinds or decoys for that matter because both offer an advantage over not using them.

I personally think its best to keep it simple, like the deer contest

Award points based on the status of the animal Jake or Tom and by the weapon used Gun or Archery.

Just my 2 cents

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Gibby


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Maybe we should do a poll on the format for this contest. We have a lot of great ideas thrown around here.

We do have a lot of non-resident members and it would be nice to include them somehow. It adds to the spice of the forum.

I like the points breakdown but see no harm in some type of extra points for exceptional birds however you want to measure them. I figure spurs are the only really good indicator of age.

What about crossbow or ML?

Points system.

10 points for a legal bird. Allowed two in the season.

Add:

5 points for a TOM.

4 points for a Bow harvest

2 points for a X-Bow harvest

2 points for spurs greater than 1" (measuring tape in pic)

4 points for spurs greater than 1.25" (measuring tape in pic)

6 points for spurs greater than 1.5" (measuring tape in pic)

Spur length based on longest spur

So if you used archery equipment and harvest a bird with 1 1/8 and .75 inch spurs and it was a Tom you would score:

10+5+4+2=21 points

That's my 2 cents.


I don't think this is very complicated. We could eliminate the spur add. Was thinking it would be nice to have the individual portion of the contest too.
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