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THUNDER BAY RES.. Timís Meats rip off; Buyer Beware.. Local Butcher Shop
Topic Started: Oct 5 2012, 09:56 PM (7,274 Views)
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This year me and my hunting partners decided to try a different meat processor in town(Thunder Bay). Not that we had any problems with the people we have been dealing with in the past but just decided to try something different(North Country/ Sausage Pros). .We talked about a few different places but one place no one had ever tried was Timís Meats. After my bro-inlaw talk with him and got the prices it seemed a little high but if the quality was there no big deal.

Today I got the call the meat was ready and I hit the ROOF! I tried to make it to the store when the guys picked it up to see how it could be so much but just missed them. When I got to my bro-inlaws house he had my share of the meat divided equal between the three of us. They were still happy about the whole experience and slightly questioned the cost when they picked it up. They were told they got a deal because they didnít get charged storage(guy called him today).

A quick scan of the bill I knew we got screwed. Not one item on the bill added up correctly and the amount of trim added didít add up to the agreed apon amount. I called the meat shop and talk with the owner and I asked him to explain the bill to me he told me I had a problem talk with him face to face. I knew were this was going. I arrive at the meat shop minutes later and was greet very coldly by the staff. After a few minutes the owner asked my what my problem was.. I showed him the receipt. I asked him politely to explain the break down of the costs. I told him I look at it briefly and nothing was adding up. He said it did. I showed him some simple math that did add up on one particular part of the bill. Ex. 85lbs x 2.50 (beef). Not a big fan of this but when the guy dropped off the meat the owner told him to add ground beefÖ for fat. The agreed on 30% ground beef. The guy dropping it off took his adviceÖ When we added the amount of ground we actually took home the 85lbs was more like 70%... So technically my moose burger should be 70% beef using his receipt. I questioned him on this and it was a confrontation all the way, He told me that he bettered the product and should be happy. I couldnít believe what I was hearing. I told him he ran up the bill 40% without asking anyoneÖ He said..Yeah! I started questioning other parts of the bill and he ask what I wanted out of itÖ I told him all I wanted to pay for is what he agreed upon with my friend. All the additional cost are his expenses. He then told me that his price is his price regardless of what was agreed upon. He looked me square in the eyes and said what can you do about it. I left his store in a bit torrent and got back to my bro-inlaws. With a calculator at hand I found problems throughout the entire bill. Nothing added up. The tax was some random percentage and simple math didnít equal up. We got burned bigÖ I was just trying different things and it stung me hard. The kicker is today I was at a meeting and I guy told me to beware because he got ripped off.. He told me almost the same damn story. He said he refused to pay and the guy told him was going to through the moose away and call the MNR on him so he paid. I am not trying to run this business down but I just wanted to let people know my personal experience. If others have positive reviews about them I would like to hear them. But as it stands now I will see what I can do.
P.S. The usual going rate with cut, ground and vacuumed sealed is 300-500(max). Our bill was just over $1,200.00. Nothing adds up weights, cost, tax.. and donít get me started on a double charge. I consider myself an honest person and it burns my ass when someone scams me a smiles and says what can you do.

Sorry for the Rant but Buyer beware
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The worst part of this scenerio is that it takes alot away from our hunt. It also gets our families invloved and questions hunting. Not so much for me bu the others. So I will see I will take his advice and see what I can do :cheers:
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forkhorn, you did the right thing. It is a total scam and this outfit is unfit to be doing business. Get the word out big time. Post on facebook and tell all your hunting friends and every person you know. Thank you so much for saving your OTB friends from the same fate.
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we always go to sausage pros on simpson forkhorn. It was 200 bucks last yr for a bull cut frozen and vacuum sealed.

I also used to work for Tim, he is a great guy, knows what he is doing in the meat dept, but for the moose i know he get's overwhelmed with the moose and deer and was out there until 3am some nights cutting. no excuse for overcharging and being the way he was though
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1200????? You did get hosed..that sucks and don't blame ya for being upset or warning others and putting him down....tell everyone you know.
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Forkhorn thanks for the heads up and sorry to hear about your bad experience.

I will definately let people know when they ask about butchering.
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$1200? :yikes:

Thanks for the heads up. Sorry to hear you got screwed over like that but I don't know what you can do about it now.
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I would think you have a good case to send in a complaint to the Better Business Bureau. :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:
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I had a similar experiance down here. The guy has since passed away so no more issues.. I took my meat to him on several recommendations.
It was my own fault as I did not get him to weigh the meat wehn I was there I took him only one recycle box full of ground I carried it myself no sweat I would say around 70 pounds when I went to pick up sausage and Pepperettes the weight I picked up was 40 pounds ..Sounded about right.. The cost came it at
$375.00 I just about crapped. I asked to have the bill explained and he said I dropped off 150 pounds and they added 30 pounds of Pork. I just laughed and said that is quite a smoker you got to make basically 180lbs turn into 40!! He said If I did not like it just leave it there.. I did.. He kept it all I never paid him a cent..
I hate getting screwed over as well Fork..Did he at least give you a kiss!!
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There was alot of meat and the fresh sauage he made looks and smells good. I am not knockin the quality.
All I wanted was him to explain his reciept.
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If you add up the amounts he charged 90 lbs(hot)+ 75lbs(mild)+ plus an additional 65 lbs of pork butt(that was't discussed at $2.50lbs)=230lbs(of sausage/product). When we added up the actual amount we took home it was 120lbs(givin the him the benifit of doubt and the variance in weight between the packages. We will say 150lbs). 230lbs-150lbs= 80lbs(110lbs) of a over charge or missing meat according to his reciept. I don't think we are missing meat... just got over charged.

We only got a little bit of sausage.. made. We never got any of the expensive items. The Fresh sausage was supposed to be $1.50lbs. So Using the 150lbs x $1.50=$225(this what I think the cost should be)

Using the figures of his receipt
165lbsx1.50$($247.5)+65lbsx2.50($162.5)=$410(thats his figures and the math on the reciept doesn't added up to this :spinning: )


And NO I did not even a kiss or a pat on the bum :sad:
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I have been cutting my own meat for the past 6 years because of issues like this. One year I brought a young doe in for processing. She dressed about 110Lbs. Cape off and bone in there was about 70-80Lbs. Had some fry sausuge made and the rest into regular cuts. Picked up 25Lbs of Sausage and another 20 Lbs of cuts. I had paid for 15Lbs of Pork and it was supposed to be a 50/50 mix. So why only 25Lbs? Spice, water and paork mixed with 15 Lbs of trim should be upwards of 35Lbs finished weight. I know where the sausage went.....right into his freezer. Plus the cuts I got tasted like an old gutshot donkey........Never went back.

One of the guys I hunt with has a son who is a butcher by trade and he comes and helps us cut and process every year for a case of beer and $20 a guy. Costs me less than $30 and I usually walk away with 100-120Lbs depending on how many deer we get.

I've been told by a few guys in the biz that various butchers often hold 5-10lbs of finished sausage back and they will sell back door to their buddies. Some guys think that 10Lbs trim +10Lbs pork +20Lbs sausage but it actually works out to 25 most times as they add a ton of spice and water to the mix. Trick of the trade........Smoked sausage is an exception....

Sucks you got screwed. I'd report him to BBB and tell as many people as I could.
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Boy you are get'n quite a deal @ $1.50 a lb. for sausage, i'm paying anywhere from $2.00 to $2.25 for sausage. The quality of the sausage is the best i have had, so i don't mind paying. :cheers:
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DIY can take some time, but it's worth the effort. Never really understood why a hunter would go to the effort of taking their own game only to have someone else process it. If you've got the time, DIY. At the rate you pay for processing you might as well just buy beef right from the store. When you DIY you know exactly what you're getting and don't have to look over your shoulder. If you hunt in a gang, a few hours is all it takes to get a few deer into the freezer and it can be quite fun and relaxing. By the time you add up bringing your deer to the butcher and arranging for pick-up and payment, you're way ahead.

If the weather is particularly warm, I'll stay up until midnight and bone out a deer and put it into pots, stainless bowls, etc. and put them in the refrigerator. That will give me another week at my leisure to clean the cuts up, wrap, label and freeze.

I've made sausage before and it's not terribly difficult, just messy and you need special equipment. This year I added some ground pork from the store to my "sausage" venison trimmings with some onion, formed them into hamburger patties and froze them on a cookie sheet. Once frozen, I just scooped them into freezer bags. Instant BBQ patties. I used last years venison trimmings lightly defrosted before grinding then mix and re-freeze. Works just fine. You get kinda tired of cutting so doing the burgers later with frozen trimmings is the way to go.
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Thanks for the heads up. Another one to put on the "AVoid" list. :crazy:
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Billert:
I always cut my own deer and have had cut moose up before, but it takes me at least a day. Other times we have a butcher come to the house and he cuts and we wrap. Lately we have been taking them to another local company and they (moose) cut, ground, wrapped and vacum sealed for around 250-350.

We decicded on something different and we did realize it was going to cost more,,,, we didn't realize that we were going to get ripped off. If all the costs added up and were honest I would have no problem. All the owner had to do is explain the recept to me.

I also would like to start making my own sausage... and my inlaws dropped off a small meat grinder yesterday. I am goin to attempt deer sausage this year. I have to watch the pocket book before the wife start to do it for me :buttkick:
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$300 for a day is a good paycheck, to keep or to spend. At that rate, it's worth doing yourself and with a bunch of people, fun; part of the hunt.

Have a drink, watch your fingers, and enjoy.

You'll get faster with more practice.
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Hey guys, this is no surprise. I had the almost the exact same experience with Tim's 2 years ago. I too decided to try out a new butcher just to see what else was out there and I got screwed. The yearling bull bull we took in apparently grew into a 550lb moose after we dropped it off and the price for the sausage was double the quoted rate. I have now heard of no less than 6 others that have gone through the same thing with guy. Lesson learned.
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Don't you guy's ask all the obvious questions first... Like what are your prices? even if it's just a ball park figure. For $1200 i would have told him to keep it.
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Don't you guy's ask all the obvious questions first... Like what are your prices? even if it's just a ball park figure. For $1200 i would have told him to keep it.

WE DID..... and was it wasn't $1200. But when it wasn't weighed infront of the guy that drop it off and when the owner added(or claims) large amounts of beef and pork to the mix without consultation it adds up. My hunting partners are somewhat new to hunting and by the time I got there it was paid for and they didn't clue in because I usually line up processing. He just took advantage of the situation And after spending X amount of dollars on the hunt and the time away from work and families, I am not sure if leaving it was the answer... it was a good bull and we all deserve to enjoy eating it(and not that scum).
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Wow that does certainly suck... Sorry if i offened it wasn't my intention. You are right about one thing he doesn't desreve it. You have my support in spreading the word
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Got my buck processed @ European meats, usually use the Commisary but they are still getting over the flood. European came through great, took 75 lbs in from my buck, got back 150 lbs broke down like this - 50lbs of Ham Garlic Kielbasa - 50 lbs of pepperettes and 50 lbs of fresh sausauge all very good 280.00 out the door. Freezer is full wife and kids are happy :D
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Sorry to hear forkhorn. I have been taking my moose and deer to Tims for 8 years. Never a problem top quality product as many other members hear know.
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My bull quarters were just under 700lbs this year and I paid $340. Deboned, Roasts, Steaks, and Ground. The going rate in the Sault Ste. Marie area is .40 to .50 cents a pound for straight Roasts, Steaks, and Ground. That guy just flat out ripped you off. I will spread the word as I work all across NWO.
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hey forkhorn we hunt close to raith my son posted pics. of our bull cow and calf in here we checked on their phone and choose north country sausage co. first time out of the blue.These guys were obliging from the get go.I have the bill right here two adult animals $ 200.00 each one calf $150.oo total$ 550.00. Had something new called ham rings plus peppertts plus sausage plus vac. pack at a cost of 365.83 bill seams more then reasonable compared to down in this area. n0w i use to do my own cutting and sausage too but try getting any never mind all the guys together good luck.not their fault just life so i gave it up due to getting older and my poor wife spending days not hrs. after cleaning equip. , blood, hairs and me lol off the house after. i did this cause when you use a butcher its like a auto mec. find a honest and fair one is the game. are you getting your animal back? are you getting all your animal back?.But getting older and so many different guys each yr. to deal with for me the hell with it to the butcher we go lol. but unless something shows up we will surly go back next yr. if the moose gods shine on us again. Sorry again i feel your pain for sure.
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Next time might be worth while finding out who processes wild game "on the side" . There's a few I know of here in Tbay and surrounding area. Most charge a flat rate of $150 , cut, wrapped , burger ground and sausage cuts bagged(the ones I know don't make sausage). If your interested send me a pm.

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forkhorn just bring it to sausage pros on simpson st in the old alves fishmarket. great job and well worht the money plus they vacuum seal it as well
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I have been dealing with Mike at Sausage Pro's/North Country for the last few years and never had a problem.. I really like there product. I also like the Comissary but I hear there not doin sausage anymore.
Sometimes tryin new things back fires big time... The sausage we got from Tim's is garbage. I have been cutting the casings open and removing the large unchewable pieces of grissel. It does have a good taste but the big unchewable chunks aren't to popular with the wife and guests.
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ya i dont blame you for removing those chunks. I heard the commisary isnt doing anythign still trying to recover from the flood

we may have ot go out when i get home from work on the 21st for my calf and deer.
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Thanks for the heads-up forkhorn! It's a good thing to know as a thunder bay resident!
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OMG that totally sucks.
What a rip off
He charged you tax......and made you pay cash? Or does he ring it through his till?
Just curious as it seems to be common practice for butchers to do wild game on a cash only basis.
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The other two picked it up and paid.. One guy had cash and the other guy put mine and his on his debit card.... If he would have used his credit card I would have told him to stop payment.... :buttkick:
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There is an alternative that you all should consider... For the cost of what alot of you are paying for one just one butchering could equipt you with the right and enough equipment to to process your own kills for life. Take you hunting to the next level. I've been doing it for the passed 10 yrs and thourghly enjoy it... it really adds to the enjoyment of the hunt when you can say you took it from feild to table and the distance in between. Deboning is not as difficult as alot of folks think and trust me there is alot of useful scraps that you don't get such as bones. I persoanally smoke all the bones for my dogs over the cold months... Trust me they will love you for it win win situation. Also anyone that hunts yotes knows there value of meat scraps. For anyone on a budget places like Princess Auto and Canadian Tire have low cost equipment also check out Kijji. Hope i was able to give some insight for some of ya's good luck and happy huntin ya ole.
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BBQ72 great idea but you need the time if you want to butcher it yourself and it costs 175 bucks to butcher it. not sure how much butchering equip you can buy for that.

plus lots of people have full time jobs and just dont have the time to do it
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Princess Auto - meat grinder $75.00
Canadian Tire - set knives $ 65.00
Canaidan Tire - rubbermaid containers $12.00x3+ = $36.00
Goodwill - kitchen table $10.00
Costco - 100' roll of butcher paper $25.00
Cadaian Tire - rubber gloves $1.99
Kijiji - band saw $100 obo
Kijiji - freezer $100 obo
the little things you can pick up as you go
Grand total= $382.99
remember you will have this equipment for many years of enjoyment


As far as having the time to do it... the butchering part really on takes a few hours making sausage and others is where the time thing happens but thats another hobby all together, i'll let you in on a secret if you can't get it all done at once... freeze it, cutting frozen meat is easier. I didn't think about the butchers on here that charge for this service sorry guy's wasn't trying to cut your grass
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I have heard so many bad story's of this happening to others, so this is just a bump.... Unless u know him and your gold ;) :sick: :girldance:
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And if any one in the T-bay area wants a free bag of his sausage. U can have what I will not eat. PM me for a sample :sick:
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Just got my whitetail back from tims meats. He charged me, $175 plus taxes for a basic cut and wrap. I have never paid more than $75 to have a deer cut. I told him this and he said well thats what i charge. No negotiations what so ever. I was in there for the first time in early September. He asked me and my buddy if we were students and we said yeah, he gave us some awesome steaks for half price. We asked about deer at the time and he said on average $70-80 what a crook.
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$175 that is insane. Must have raised his prices to pay his legal fees after he was charged a couple of weeks ago.
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$175 that is insane. Must have raised his prices to pay his legal fees after he was charged a couple of weeks ago.
What was he charged with?
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$175 that is insane. Must have raised his prices to pay his legal fees after he was charged a couple of weeks ago.
What was he charged with?
He supplied a party with food and 9 out of 25 people got food poisoning
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