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Topic Started: Mar 2 2011, 03:50 AM (2,338 Views)
Donnie7
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Count me in, I am currently trying to clear a plot for this year.

Okplotz, listen to Ray he has been at this for a few years and has certainly done his homework :omg: You mentioned that you went to local Feed Store in Renfrew, I am assuming you mean M&R Feeds. I have always been a little leary about information coming from there.

Where abouts do you hunt or are you putting your plot in as I am somewhat familiar with the area?

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thanks donnie im assuming ray is bigr? lol and ive been told so many different things by different people that i have just been doing what bigr has been telling me to. im gonna be planting my clover this week cuz we are finally getting sum nice weather and im planting it not far from my house just outside eganville on the 4th chute rd. are you from the area donnie or have hunted this area? also going to take pics of the tools i use for my plots so i can maybe help someone else out with ideas for their food plots implenaments. im going to be modding an old disc this week aswell so my bike will be able to pull it and make it more usable in tight spots in the bush.
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Ray,

yeah your right on that, I checked on prices at my feed store. Regarding the Forage Peas (if you recall my plans for this year) they are $20 / 55lb bag. The Roundup Ready Soybeans are going for $60.00 / 50 lb bag. Just one concern I have with what you are doing, you said you were gonna mix those forage peas with your soybeans. How are you going to Roundup after you plant the soybeans, cuz that will kill off the forage peas (unless your not planning on doing that). And to OKplotz, one bit of advice, get a soil sample after you rip it up, it will only cost you $20 and it gives you a hell of a lot of info. I can fax you one that I had done last year so you can see what you get if you want. This will save you heartache in the future. Believe me, I've been through it.

Man o man am I ever frustrated with all this rain. I had all of my plots (7) offset disced up and chain harrowed by the 2nd week of April. And plots were seeded by the last week of April. I wouldn't even attempt to get my tractor into some of these spots right now with all the water we have.
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We just got more snow today, we are soooo far behind last year. Going to take a long time to dry around here. :(
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May 1 2011, 06:57 PM
Ray,

yeah your right on that, I checked on prices at my feed store.  Regarding the Forage Peas (if you recall my plans for this year) they are $20 / 55lb bag.  The Roundup Ready Soybeans are going for $60.00 / 50 lb bag.  Just one concern I have with what you are doing, you said you were gonna mix those forage peas with your soybeans.  How are you going to Roundup after you plant the soybeans, cuz that will kill off the forage peas (unless your not planning on doing that).  And to OKplotz, one bit of advice, get a soil sample after you rip it up, it will only cost you $20 and it gives you a hell of a lot of info.  I can fax you one that I had done last year so you can see what you get if you want.  This will save you heartache in the future.  Believe me, I've been through it. 

Man o man am I ever frustrated with all this rain.  I had all of my plots (7) offset disced up and chain harrowed by the 2nd week of April.  And plots were seeded by the last week of April.  I wouldn't even attempt to get my tractor into some of these spots right now with all the water we have.

I use RR beans just because they are the best beans . I don't round up them after planting so mixing them will work OK. :hick:

The forage beans will ( So I'm told crawl and they like to crawl up so ,,, Between the 2 I'm thinking they might work well together. Soy will gow up and forage beans will attach to them. Its a test. :hick:
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You probably know this, but always just drag over your clover and brassica's when seeding. Never disc them to cover... They normally only need to be just under the soil
to germinate...
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Add me to the list. I will be trying to put a couple of plots in this year at 2 of the properties I hunt. I just have to decide on what to plant. I would like something that would provide Winter food for the turkey & deer. I have dabbled in planting clover in small patches but it didn't grow very well. I want to try soil tests this time around.

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Welcome MH,,

Watch out ,,, Plotting is addictive. but so is deer hunting lol :hick:
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May 2 2011, 10:26 AM
You probably know this, but always just drag over your clover and brassica's when seeding. Never disc them to cover... They normally only need to be just under the soil
to germinate...

X2 on clover seeding.

If you disc clover seeds in you will have disapointing results. It's a small seed that needs to be planted very shallow, in fact just having loose (tilled) soil is generally enough seed to soil contact. If you want you can roll the plot with a lawn roller, or drag it as some people do with a length of chain link fence, but don't disc it.

We've actually had great results with white clover just by hand broadcasting over the ground, very low maintenance food plotting!

I suppose y'all can add me to the plotter list, even though I'm in absentee for the spring planting. :P
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Hope everyone's getting their plots in, I understand it's still pretty wet. My buddy sent me this picture the other day and I thought I'd share.

Cheers.

Tim

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I will be putting in some fall plots this year. We got completely rained out, so my low spots got drowned out.
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Long time food plotter here.
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Allright I know its a little late but am almost ready to plant something now.Anyone here have any experience with the Rackstacker you get at Canadian Tire?
Or being we are in July now,is something better to plant,maybe for later in the season?
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Allright I know its a little late but am almost ready to plant something now.Anyone here have any experience with the Rackstacker you get at Canadian Tire?
Or being we are in July now,is something better to plant,maybe for later in the season?

I 'm not sure what is in rackstacker but have had very good results planting rape,turnips,and buck forage oats in July.
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Jul 5 2011, 05:26 PM
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Allright I know its a little late but am almost ready to plant something now.Anyone here have any experience with the Rackstacker you get at Canadian Tire?
Or being we are in July now,is something better to plant,maybe for later in the season?

I 'm not sure what is in rackstacker but have had very good results planting rape,turnips,and buck forage oats in July.

Could not have said it better myself,,,,O ya and that is a second on that !
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Allright I know its a little late but am almost ready to plant something now.Anyone here have any experience with the Rackstacker you get at Canadian Tire?
Or being we are in July now,is something better to plant,maybe for later in the season?

Its not to late to plant for late season, still a little early actually, pick up a bag of Field Edge and trust me, this stuff is amazing! Iam going on my second year of Rackstacker and had amazing results last, deer lived in it come frost! I cant get over the germination rate of this seed, I think every single seed that hit the ground grew!

I just re-worked my kill plot, about 3/4 acre in the bush that was planted with oats in late May, I dicsed them into the ground to create some organic matter as this is a compleatly new plot that was 100% thick bush last year. I over seeded it with Field Edge last week and its just exploding out of the ground already. Iam putting in another 2 acres of field edge in my destination plot that has about 1.5 acres of soyabeans and 1/4 acre of corn aready, hopefully about another 2 weeks, depending on weather everything will be ready to rock for Oct 1st!

Good luck!
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i bought the mixed seed before and it was too heavy on the millet so now i just head to the local seed sore and get 10 times the seed for the same price and make my own mix
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Jul 6 2011, 11:42 AM
i bought the mixed seed before and it was too heavy on the millet so now i just head to the local seed sore and get 10 times the seed for the same price and make my own mix

Yup ,
Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. :D

I think everyone in business should turn a reasonable profit but when they sell it for around $10 a pound :sick:
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Jul 6 2011, 05:16 PM
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Jul 6 2011, 11:42 AM
i bought the mixed seed before and it was too heavy on the millet  so now i just head to the local seed sore and get 10 times the seed for the same price  and make my own mix

Yup ,
Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. :D

I think everyone in business should turn a reasonable profit but when they sell it for around $10 a pound :sick:

:fishin: i agree with bigr r ... i did have a beautiful field of millet though that the deer didn't touch .....and the deer browsed on the rest of the plot but not much action once hunting season approached
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Jul 6 2011, 05:16 PM
Yup ,
Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. :D

I think everyone in business should turn a reasonable profit but when they sell it for around $10 a pound :sick:

What do you know, Bigr trash talking Rackstacker again haha. No offence to you but man, every chance you get to jab them on this forum you do. I'll gladly pay for a quality Canadian product that shows big time results! Whats 300$ in the hunting industry, peanuts! One quality trail camera, one half decent scope…. Basically what Iam saying is my 3 months of hunting and part of success is based on holding deer on my property to give me the opportunity to harvest them. Spending some extra money on some seed that I KNOW will grow to its full potential and the deer are going to hammer it until it’s gone is my choice I guess.....

I believe the people at Rackstacker have there mixes figured out to a T, and until I dont see every deer I hold on my property feeding heavy in my plots (which was 14 at once on 89 acres last November) I will continue to buy a quality product that I know will produce the same results year after year....

If some guys want to do it there selves and have time to, perfect, but dont trash talk a great product.
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Jul 7 2011, 07:03 AM
bigr
Jul 6 2011, 05:16 PM
Yup ,
Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. :D

I think everyone in business should turn a reasonable profit but when they sell it for around $10 a pound :sick:

What do you know, Bigr trash talking Rackstacker again haha. No offence to you but man, every chance you get to jab them on this forum you do. I'll gladly pay for a quality Canadian product that shows big time results! Whats 300$ in the hunting industry, peanuts! One quality trail camera, one half decent scope…. Basically what Iam saying is my 3 months of hunting and part of success is based on holding deer on my property to give me the opportunity to harvest them. Spending some extra money on some seed that I KNOW will grow to its full potential and the deer are going to hammer it until it’s gone is my choice I guess.....

I believe the people at Rackstacker have there mixes figured out to a T, and until I dont see every deer I hold on my property feeding heavy in my plots (which was 14 at once on 89 acres last November) I will continue to buy a quality product that I know will produce the same results year after year....

If some guys want to do it there selves and have time to, perfect, but dont trash talk a great product.

Good for you !

I'm not trash talking,,, I'm helping fello outdoors people.

Who said anything about Rackstacker,,, I was telling people what some companies do. If rackstacker dose this and you like it then good for you.

I support canadian companies every time I buy from a coop as well so ?????

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Jul 7 2011, 04:51 PM
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Jul 7 2011, 07:03 AM
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Jul 6 2011, 05:16 PM
Yup ,
Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. :D

I think everyone in business should turn a reasonable profit but when they sell it for around $10 a pound :sick:

What do you know, Bigr trash talking Rackstacker again haha. No offence to you but man, every chance you get to jab them on this forum you do. I'll gladly pay for a quality Canadian product that shows big time results! Whats 300$ in the hunting industry, peanuts! One quality trail camera, one half decent scope…. Basically what Iam saying is my 3 months of hunting and part of success is based on holding deer on my property to give me the opportunity to harvest them. Spending some extra money on some seed that I KNOW will grow to its full potential and the deer are going to hammer it until it’s gone is my choice I guess.....

I believe the people at Rackstacker have there mixes figured out to a T, and until I dont see every deer I hold on my property feeding heavy in my plots (which was 14 at once on 89 acres last November) I will continue to buy a quality product that I know will produce the same results year after year....

If some guys want to do it there selves and have time to, perfect, but dont trash talk a great product.

Good for you !

I'm not trash talking,,, I'm helping fello outdoors people.

Who said anything about Rackstacker,,, I was telling people what some companies do. If rackstacker dose this and you like it then good for you.

I support canadian companies every time I buy from a coop as well so ?????

hahaha, bigr we all know you have had it out for Rackstacker since day one, noone on here is fooled buy your "not pointing fingers at a certain company"..... Give it a rest already, go about your own seed mix, if it works, perfect, I for one have tried MNR feeds seed and had very poor results. The rackstacker plot right beside it, completely gone....
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Yup MNR seed given out are not that great. We can agree on that.
I don't use that stuff as well.

I think you misunderstand where I'm getting seeds from.

Good luck with your plots and I for one look forward to see the resaults !
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if u buy mixed seed from whitetails institute, biologic etc u end up buying lots of cheap seed at an expensive price ..your paying for pretty packaging , advertising etc..why not buy the same seed locally ..which has provenly performed locally .my self i have used some of the above and they performed well but i can get way more seed if i get from the local seed companys...i didn't mean to trash anyone or open up a can of worms ....i used rackstacker in the past and will continue to buy from them ....if it would be nice if companies listed percentages of seed in the bag so u knew where your money is going ... :fishin:
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Sign me up. Been plotting for three years now. RR soyabeans and some plots in turnip/brassica/clover mix

Willy :hick:
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I am hearing all these names of seeds that I have heard of but----------
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Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. 


What the heck is Millet?
I know,Probably sound like an idiot but all this stuff is new to me,never know if you dont ask right?

From what i am reading here I dont want to go buy 10 pounds of Millet for cheap and plant just it?
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I am hearing all these names of seeds that I have heard of but----------
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Some sales people sell us a bag of millet and it is worth $..80 a pound at the coop. 


What the heck is Millet?
I know,Probably sound like an idiot but all this stuff is new to me,never know if you dont ask right?

From what i am reading here I dont want to go buy 10 pounds of Millet for cheap and plant just it?

when u buy cheap birdseed mix it's loaded with millet, deer will eat it but i never saw any of it being eatin in my plot not did the birds touch it ...i think its just a cheap filler to make it look like your getting lots of seed..buying a mix of deer plot seed is guess work unlessthe percentages of seed are on the pack...
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lol))) Gotcha,so basically buying a bag of bird seed with some deer seeds of various thrown in the mix (;
I gotta do my homework :D
I gotta figure out what to plant soon.I will post before and after pics .
Thanks for all the great info so far and please keep the pics coming of the plots :tractor:
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Here is a picture of a food plot with millet. The millet is what looks like corn stalks growing.

http://newbrunswickhunting.com/forums/inde...ker-field-edge/
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I'll start this old one up again because the question I have is in it. Does anyone know if you can get Eagle Seed Soybeans in Canada yet? Thanks. I thought I had better get planning. Only two more months of winter. :CanFlag: and then construction season.
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Angus,

I'm not certain if you have ever planted soybeans for deer, especially Eagle Seed. I don't want to rain on your parade but if you don't plant at least an acre or two the deer will wipe it out without protection such as e-fencing and your size of your local deer population. Also Eagle seed is very expensive around $120.00 a 50 lbs. bag the last time I checked. And last time I checked their were no dealers in Canada. Don't get me wrong its a great product but requires a lot of extra details to insure a final crop. A friend was vacationing in the US two years ago and brought back a bag and we planted it with some local R/R soybeans and both turned out great together (3 acres) but the deer ate most the Eagle soya first then he put up an e-fence and this saved the rest from being destroyed. It was interesting to see how the eagle seed plants out performed the local soyabeans. The Eagle seed plants were taller and the seed stayed in the pods longer and their was twice as many pods. Just make sure your PH is at least around 5.8-6 but anything from 6 and above is better. Your P and K should be in the medium levels at least and a little nitrogen is needed for germination.
The biggest problem I saw was early browsing but to some growers want that to feed does with young fawns. But the dry soybeans are amazing for late season feed for deer and turkey. Also, don't forget to broadcast some winter rye and red clover when the soybeans turn yellow in late summer then your set for the following spring with early green up food.

Or plan#2, you can always see what the local farmers are growing in soybeans in your hunting area and make sure they're Round-up Ready which will make things easier. Their are different soybeans with different maturity dates and you have to find one that suits your area that's why ask the local farmers or co-op. Also, ask them which variety has the best/longest pod production with the least shatter resistance.

All the best with this crop and keep us informed.
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Sorry Angus, to answer your question....NO, Eagle Seed soybeans are not sold in Canada.

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Hey thanks for the answer. We are right by the boarder so I can have someone jump across and get a bag or two. Is it alright to bring across the boarder? Deer density is not that good in my opinion. Do you know if there is way to find out what they say the density is in certain WMUs? You would plant at like 14lbs per acre I think? Maybe not I will have to check on that. Cousin planted soybeans a couple of years ago about 2 Km away he said they did good. I don't think he has any deer at his farm as it is out in the open maybe some came a night but nothing really did touch the beans. I will check with him and see exactly what he planted. My food plot is a long way away from power and I can't afford a remote fence. The plot is about 3 acres you got me thinking. 120 American is quite a bit more than I expected. Do you think bears will get in the beans also? Man I wish I could spend more time at the farm. :( Thanks again Friggs I'm sure if you don't mind I will be in contact.
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Angus,
QDMA in the USA have developed a deer density map below. Not certain if they plan on doing one for QDMA Canada. My wife and I head down south on a road trip every March Break and I usually buy and bring back food plot related stuff. I know Eagle Seed has an agreement with Monsanto which holds the patent on Round-up Ready Soybeans so Monsanto does not allow Eagle Seed to be sold in Canada, that might change in the future who knows. So, I don't know if its legal to bring back Eagle Seed into Canada.
http://www.i-maps.com/Qdma/frame/default1024_ie.asp?C=48449&LinkID=0&NID=0&cmd=map&TL=100000&GL=010100&MF=11000

Not certain if your planting with a seeder or broadcasting, my friend broadcasted his at 75 lbs/ac and Eagle Seed's website said the same. I looked around online and I found many different amounts, so anywhere from 70-100 lbs/ac broadcasted.
The questions on bears I can't answer because it also depends on bear density in your area.

I guess the best thing to do is give it a try and see what happens, maybe try local R/R soybeans from a local co-op like my friend still does, he finds the local seed works for him.

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Yeah the farmer doing it will be using a planter. I am worried about the bears. I'm getting a spring tag this year so hopefully one less to worry about. Before I put that kind of money out I think I will go with local stuff and see what happens. Only been doing this a few years so it is the first go with soybeans. I will keep everyone updated on how I make out. Thanks again.
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