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| Dolomite Lime; Ontario bulk source | |
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| Friggs | Apr 10 2013, 07:44 AM Post #1 |
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I thought I would share this information. I going to order a skid of Dolomite lime in a few weeks from Weston Aggregates in Omemee, Ont. http://www.westoneaggregates.com/ Mark Lowes from Weston quoted me $5.50 for a 50 or 55 lbs. bag and there is 40 bags on a skid which weights a little over a ton. They also sell large truck loads at $27.50 a metric ton plus trucking charges from Eagle Lake Quarry to your farm. Or they will load bulk into trailers or large fertilizer spreaders from Eagle Lake. Their Dolomite Lime comes from their Eagle Lake Quarry near Haliburton, Ontario. Bolenders Limited P.O. Box 329 Haliburton, ON K0M 1S0 E-Mail: wcgrocks@sympatico.ca Quarry Location: Eagle lake, Haliburton Type of Lime: Dolomitic Guaranteed Minimum Specifications: 25% calcium; 17% magnesium; 103% neutralizing value; 100% passing #10 mesh; 72% passing #60 mesh Calculated Agricultural Index: 102 |
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| Friggs | Jun 26 2013, 09:19 AM Post #2 |
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Well , I finally got my Dolomite lime from Bolenders Quarry north of Haliburton, Ontario (Eagle Lake) two weeks ago. I got 6 - 45 gallon drums full or about 3000 lbs. Mind you, it was wet so that could add about 200-400lbs. It cost me $30.00 for 3000lbs and cost me about $70.00 in gasoline to haul it with my truck back to the hunt camp. I put all the drums in my shed and removed the lids to dry it up a little. In late July I'll mow my plots short and spread the lime on top, then come back in 2-3 weeks and spray glyphosate, then back in two weeks to fertilize, disc, plant and roll/pack which should be around the end of August. I'll try to get some photos posted of liming. Friggs |
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| Friggs | Jun 26 2013, 09:24 AM Post #3 |
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I forgot to mention, they didn't have any bagged lime and/ or bags and Mark said that they could fill a trailer or any container. It would be ideal if you could tow a lime spreader to the quarry and spread it on your fields the same day. Friggs |
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Jun 26 2013, 10:24 AM Post #4 |
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I have access to tonnes of used feed bags if you are interested. |
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| Friggs | Jun 26 2013, 12:52 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks rdneckhillbilly, I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the offer. Changing the subject.....Is Swain Seed's still in business there in Blackstock ? Friggs |
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Jun 26 2013, 06:57 PM Post #6 |
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As far as I know they are. I usually go to Wrights up the road or the Co-op in Sunderland. Harold starting ordering me my di-cal at Wrights so I do not need to go up to Sunderland much. Good guy. Always helpful. |
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| Donnie7 | Feb 1 2014, 09:11 AM Post #7 |
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Hi Friggs, I must first admit that I don't know much about food plotting or lime etc. but continue to read. In your above post you indicated that you got 6 45 gallon barrels filled with lime that was about 3000#'s. So each barrel when full would be about 500#'s. I would never of guessed this it must be a very heavy substance? How the hell do you move them afterwards? The only reason I am asking is that we were going to get a dump truck load delivered in spring, but it will take a while for road to dry, if we were able to get the barrels it would certainly spead up the process. Thanks Donnie |
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| Friggs | Feb 2 2014, 12:23 PM Post #8 |
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Hi Donnie, Yes, last summer my brother and I drove up to Bolenders Quarry at Eagle Lake with my 5x10 trailer and bought and filled 6 - 45 gal. drums of powdered dolomite lime for $40.00 a metric ton. I know a 45 gal. drum of sand is 500-600lbs. depending on moisture content of sand so I assumed it was about the same. We tipped the barrels over and rolled them down the ramp on my trailer then two of us tipped it back up, not easy but do-able. I spread 3 barrels on my 1/4 acre plot and kept the other 3 in my shed. These barrels had lids with a locking ring which tighted up with a nut and bolt. It wasn't easy spreading the lime and i tried my electric ATV spreader and my big Earthway push spreader and had to agitate the spreaders by shaking them back and forth. That's why I only spread 3 barrels and parked the other 3 in the shed. If your plot is small you can hand-bomb it with a shovel. Next weekend, I'm looking at buying a 10' lime drop spreader like in the you tube video below. Next time, I will fill the back of my truck and shovel it into the spreader. These spreaders have an auger or long paddle along the bottom and push/force the lime into the openings. These spreaders can spread powdered lime, fertilizer and small seeds, only problem is that its 10 feet long and difficult to tow through small plots and tight trails. I saw somewhere online that you can chop them down to 6 or 5 feet long which I might look at doing this summer and maybe rent it out. Also, where are you getting your lime from and how much for trucking and all ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpvdYJ6HyHs&feature=youtu.be Take care...Friggs Edited by Friggs, Feb 2 2014, 12:26 PM.
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Feb 3 2014, 08:45 AM Post #9 |
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So here is the stupid question for today....does lime not come in a pelleted form?? My land is in some serious need of lime this year, and I bought some dolomite lime last year to do one plot, but it was a pain to spread (push spreader) just wondering if there were other lime options that may go a bit easier? $30 for 3000lbs is pretty good!
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| Friggs | Feb 3 2014, 12:21 PM Post #10 |
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Yes, lime comes in pelletized (pellet form) which is finely ground then processed into a size similar to the size of fertilizer or kitty litter which can easily spread and doesn't cake up. It can be found for around $5.00- $8.00 per 40kg. bag or 40 bags per ton, $200.00-$320.00,(ouch). Then theirs the agriculture lime or Ag-lime also dolomite lime which is ground to a powder which is a pain to spread. Co-ops have special spreaders or trucks that can spread it mostly on larger fields. In the powdered form it is quickly absorbed into the soil and starts doing its thing (6-10 months). Ag-lime is about $30.00 - $45.00 per metric ton (2,200 lbs.) in bulk. I have spread both types of lime, powdered from an open trailer pulled behind an ATV and hand bombing it all over (just watch the wind) and 10 bags of pelletized lime which is spread in a normal fertilizer spreader. I've tried spreading powdered lime in a normal spreader and it cakes up inside and needs to be constantly shaken. So, for powdered lime you need a large drop spreader such as http://www.groundbusters.com/ Friggs Types of liming materials Agricultural lime (calcium carbonate) This is the most commonly used liming material on the North Coast. It consists of limestone crushed to a fine powder and is usually the cheapest material for correcting soil acidity. Good quality lime has 37 – 40% calcium. Burnt lime (calcium oxide) Also known as quicklime, burnt lime is derived by heating limestone to drive off carbon dioxide. It is more concentrated and caustic than agricultural lime and unpleasant to handle, so is rarely used in agriculture. Hydrated lime (calcium hydroxide) This is made by treating burnt lime with water, and is used mainly in mortar and concrete. It is more expensive than agricultural lime. Dolomite Dolomite is a naturally occurring rock containing calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate. Good quality dolomite has a NV of 95–98, and contains 22% calcium and 12% magnesium. It is good for acid soils where supplies of calcium and magnesium are low, but if used constantly may cause a nutrient imbalance, because the mix is two parts calcium to one part magnesium (2:1), whereas the soil ratio should be around 5:1. Gypsum (calcium sulfate) Gypsum is not considered as a liming material, as it does not reduce soil acidity. It is used mainly to improve the structure of sodic clay soils, and these are not common in many areas of Tasmania. Other links below. http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/pages/publicationD.jsp?publicationId=112 http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3684 Edited by Friggs, Feb 3 2014, 02:00 PM.
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Feb 3 2014, 03:57 PM Post #11 |
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Perfect, thanks for the info Friggs
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| Donnie7 | Feb 3 2014, 08:37 PM Post #12 |
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Hey Friggs, not exactly sure where it was coming from. One of the farmers that I moose hunt with has a spreader for lime and nows where to get it. He lives about an hour drive (by vehicle) from where we are going to spread it, he indicated that we should be looking for 8-10 tons to spread on our 2.5 acres. He did not want to travel that distance ith the lime in the machine as it would be hell on his wheels. He indicated that we should get a dump truck to dump it in clearing and then have our tractor there to load his spreader. He thought that it should be around $220 for the lime and have it delevered. He would come down and spread it for supper and a beer. That being said, he is a farmer so will be busy in spring, if we could get the lime in the barrels we could transport either in truck or on trailer and probably get it into the bush earlier than waiting for the road to dry up for a dump truck. Never really thought about the weight of things, but a 45 gallon drum of sand would be heavy. I know that I have half filled my truck with sand for the kids sand box and it squatted big time. Now the other question I would have, is one member had a soil test done last year and it called for non domolitic lime, what is that? |
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| Friggs | Feb 4 2014, 08:41 AM Post #13 |
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Dolomite lime is a natural occuring mineral which is mined from a quarry and ground up to a powder or aggregate. Dolomite is used for many things, mixed in livestock feed and chicken gizzard gravel to mention a few. Dolomite has two major important soil amendments used by most plants and found in most living things also the calcium is needed in raising the PH in your soil. The member your mentioning possibly and I'm just assuming without looking at the soil test that he had reasonable magnesium levels on his test that's why they recommended just calcium lime only. Also, you need the have a ratio of calcium and magnesium 1:3 - 1:5 (calcium being the larger #) depending on your soil and CEC. Not certain if you mentioned getting a soil test or not, if so, what did your test recommend in lime ? That's a good deal and plan with your farmer friend. You probably won't need all that lime on your 2.5 acres depending on your soil test and maybe you can cover/tarp it for later or your hunt camp members can take some home for there lawns, fruit trees and gardens like I did. Just grab some buckets or feed bags and fill them up. Hope this helps...Friggs |
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| Friggs | Mar 19 2014, 07:33 AM Post #14 |
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Bought myself a vintage New Holland Drop Spreader especially for apply powdered lime. Last summer my brother and I applied 1200-1500 lbs of powered dolomite lime by hand and with a broadcast spreader to our kill plot and it just about killed us and we decided right then and there that "there has to be a better way". So after doing some research this is what I bought. Still have 1200-1500 lbs. or 3 barrels of lime still to use.![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This vintage New Holland drop spreader can apply dry poultry manure with no straw, fertilizer, powered or granular or pelletized lime, and certain seed such as grain and grasses. The only problem is that its 10 feet wide. Most of my trails are 7-8 feet wide and my kill plot is pretty tight but it will work. Back in the day these things were popular and were used up to the early 1960's. Today their are trucks and tote trailers that do this type of job and these are good. Everything works no rot or holes just surface rust. It was kept in a shed and was well greased after usage. I still have to pick it up and take it to the hunt camp once the snow is gone and just needs a good sandblasting and paint job. Here is a photo I found online and its not me driving. Just showing that an ATV could pull a small load of lime. ![]() Here is a 12 minute video I found online showing the drop spreader in action spreding 6 tons o powered lime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpvdYJ6HyHs Friggs |
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