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Dec 3 2013, 02:08 PM Post #1 |
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I still have three days of muzzleloading left to hunt although I am already thinking about next years food plots. Ordered my seeds today , i am in rotation year so the plots that were planted with brassicas this year will be planted with soya beans, Austrian winter peas and fall rye. I also have two small plots that have ladino clover and clover, fall rye mix those will be planted with a fall blend of brassicas. |
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Dec 3 2013, 06:13 PM Post #2 |
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we planted Austrian winter pea it turned out great . |
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Dec 4 2013, 10:25 AM Post #3 |
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How often do you rotate your plots? And what is the reasoning/benefits? |
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Dec 4 2013, 11:22 AM Post #4 |
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Dec 4 2013, 12:28 PM Post #5 |
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What happen's is if you put brassica's year after year on the same soil. It can cause a disease in your brassica plant. So you need to rotate I would say every two years for sure. Most people go every other... |
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| Friggs | Dec 7 2013, 06:09 PM Post #6 |
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Where did you get your Austrian Winter Peas ? Friggs |
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Dec 11 2013, 11:35 AM Post #7 |
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Purchased my Austrian Winter Peas seeds off of General Seed Company Alberton,Ontario 905-648-2101 . |
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| Friggs | Dec 16 2013, 09:13 AM Post #8 |
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Thanks Barr Creek Acres Friggs |
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Dec 16 2013, 10:56 AM Post #9 |
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I purchased them just north of Kingston at willows it's a feed store |
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Dec 17 2013, 07:00 AM Post #10 |
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Do u plant the peas in a mix or a whole plot of peas? How big of a plot and what's the deer density? |
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| Friggs | Dec 17 2013, 08:24 AM Post #11 |
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I planted 4010 peas last August for the first time with my rye and oats at 50 lbs/ac each along with tillage radishes and red clover. The deer started hitting the peas first at 4-6 inches tall then the radishes until those two were all gone by the end of October. They love those peas and were in the plot every night and I have photos to prove it. It sure is deer candy... I know some members here plant there peas early with another crop and this works for them. I only have 1/2 an acre and I would think that 1/2 acre of spring grown peas would be all gone by hunting season with my deer density. Im thinking they would start eating them in early summer. I would like to try the same combination as mentioned above but try Austrian Winter Peas instead of 4010. Apparently, the AWP continue to grow in colder temps. then the 4010 peas. But I'm thinking this wouldn't matter because they would still be all gone by gun season with 1/2 acre only. I like my combination because you have deer food till the following late summer and your adding organic matter and recycled nutrients to your soil. I guess I need to expand my plots. Friggs |
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Dec 17 2013, 01:42 PM Post #12 |
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My plan is to plant on 4 of my plots soya beans and Austrian winter peas. Food plotting for me is a challenge cause of my food plot are small biggest over 1/2 acre to 1/4 acre and smaller total probably 3.5 acre . Only one will be protected with electric fencing so that one might produce pods although the other ones will be forage on the soya bean plant itself that should give the austrian winter peas time to mature I am hoping although that depends on deer numbers. I have read a few threads on the qdma site the winter peas are described by some as deer candy. I thought i would try it as I am in a rotation year for my brassicas plantings. To note this same dealer has a pretty good price on soya beans per 50 lbs bag non gmo soya beans. |
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| Renegade | Dec 17 2013, 03:27 PM Post #13 |
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Can't wait to get started next spring. We did a small bush plot of oats over seeding clover and both did really well but the drawback was a bear pretty ate up every bit of those oats. We also had a food plot on a beaver pond bank. Cut the long grass and raked it, then disked and planted a mix of annuals and perennials. A deer mix from the local co-op. It did very well as well. That is a great option for crown land hunters. Just have to find dried out beaver pond or drain out a pond yourself. I am going to try some peas next year, you guys have me convinced to try them. I will also try turnips and radishes again as well. Both were quite productive for fall attraction. |
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| Friggs | Dec 17 2013, 05:26 PM Post #14 |
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I'm thinking if you plant soya beans with peas that might work out. The deer will feed on the candy (peas) first during the summer and leave most of the beans alone to grow into pods for late fall. If there is any peas left come fall that's a bonus. That might work, how many lbs. of each in the mixture any idea ? Friggs |
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| Friggs | Dec 17 2013, 05:46 PM Post #15 |
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You'll love the peas it really gets the deer into the plot early for bow season. Come early November all of my peas were gone and half of the radishes also. My deer really love the 4010 peas and I'm going to see the price of Austrian Winter Peas if there to expensive I'll stick with the 4010 peas. If something works why fix it. Friggs |
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Dec 17 2013, 07:42 PM Post #16 |
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QUOTE I'm thinking if you plant soya beans with peas that might work out. The deer will feed on the candy (peas) first during the summer and leave most of the beans alone to grow into pods for late fall. If there is any peas left come fall that's a bonus. That might work, how many lbs. of each in the mixture any idea ? I am buying 1 50 lbs of Austrian winter peas and i am buying 1 50 lbs of Lakeview soya beans i am going to do the mix on my own. For my plot that is a little larger than half acre 30 lbs soya beans 30 lbs Austrian winter peas and I will top seed Fall rye into the plot as the prime forage of soya beans and Austrian winter peas gets devoured. In the smaller plots I might be able to do several plantings. I am hoping this winter to open up a few more plots where evidence of a old skidder trail is present. Every 1000 yards of skidder sized road accounts for a additionnal acre in plantings, food for thought for the small scale food plotter. |
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| Friggs | Dec 18 2013, 10:15 AM Post #17 |
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Keep us informed on how this mixture works out this coming spring. Everything I read says that anything less than an acre won't last till fall, depending on your deer population. Maybe if you put an electric fence around that might save it till hunting season. In my new plot next August, I'm going to increase my peas and oats and decrease my winter rye. The peas and oats really attract the deer and both die out with a hard frost. My trail camera photos showed the deer attacked the peas from 3 weeks after planting till mid/late October. Eitherway, I like experimenting, keep us informed with and lots of photos. Good luck....Friggs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTtbDyiBhI |
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Dec 18 2013, 10:36 AM Post #18 |
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Thanks for the you tube clip. I will keep you posted. |
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Dec 18 2013, 06:49 PM Post #19 |
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Ok, thanks. I have a hard time getting peas but managed toget about 40 lbs this year. Did the same as you...mixed with oats and rye but also some radish. The peas never got a chance to grow before they were hit and eaten to the ground. |
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| Friggs | Dec 18 2013, 08:16 PM Post #20 |
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Want kind of peas did you buy ? how much were they ? How any acres is your plot ? Sorry for sounding like a cop...Friggs |
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Dec 18 2013, 10:56 PM Post #21 |
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Field peas, I think about 20 bucks in a one acre plot. 80 lbs oats, 80 lbs rye, 5 lbs radish, 10 lbs red clover, 40 lbs peas. Planted 3rd week of July approximately. 100 lbs urea, 150 lbs 19-19-19 Grazed to dirt by end of November. Peas were gone in summer. Never made it more than three or four inches high, then hit oats, then rye and radish. They were still feeding in rye until the deep snow came at the end of nov. even though there wasn't much growth left. I use the same mix every year minus the peas if I can't get them. I Rotate between that and brassicas. About three acres in plots in total. One acre cereal grains, one acre brassicas, one acre white clover. The plots are all interconnected so each area has a variety of clover, grain, and brassica at any given time. |
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Dec 19 2013, 07:32 AM Post #22 |
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From what I have been told from people in the industry, ( seed industry not deer industry ) 4010peas "are" AWP. I planted the end of May beginning of June and I had a bumper pea crop. Deer were all over it beginning of august. 4010 peas are what they grow in areas like Saskatchewan for crops. Its best to grow them together with oats or like I tried soy beans. My problem using beans with the peas is that the deer usually eat my beans as soon as there out of the ground. 4010 peas are going in one of our plots every year and maybe more then one plot.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 19 2013, 08:05 PM Post #23 |
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QUOTE:From what I have been told from people in the industry, ( seed industry not deer industry ) 4010peas "are" AWP Just wondering about this, there seems to be seed dealers here in Ontario that sell Austrian Winter Peas and Forage peas. Are forage peas considered 4010 peas? who in the seed industry said that 4010 peas and Austrian Winter Peas were the same? |
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Dec 21 2013, 08:32 PM Post #24 |
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What about bears? Some of the Saskatchewan boys are saying bears leave peas alone. Just wondering what you've noticed because that's one of the issues I have here. |
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| Angus0914 | Jan 8 2014, 09:46 AM Post #25 |
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Two years ago I had bears destroy 1/3 of a 3 acre plot with oats and peas. They rolled in it and crushed down to the ground. This happened not just when the oats were ready but during the growing part. The peas did have pods on them. This past year bears did not hardly touch the pea oat mix. I'm thinking it depends on how much food is out there for them. |
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| Friggs | Jan 11 2014, 03:00 PM Post #26 |
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I also had lots of bear activity around my plots from late September till all the peas were gone late October. I can only attribute it to the peas. Like the deer, the bears were in there because of the 4010 peas. Last year I didn't have peas and I had some trail camera photos of bear but not like this year. These two bears messed with my trail camera and repositioned it then sat down to eat peas, they visited quite regularly. ![]() These three came into my big plot down wind and ate peas and oats. ![]() Both photos taken last October, I think I'll be planting 4010 peas every year in late summer. Friggs |
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BEARS ARE CRAZY FOR THE OATS not the peas, that's why I don't add the oats. Bears leave the peas alone for sure! I believe it was Paul Knox that told me that 4010 peas are AWP's or someone at his level. Pretty sure it was paul or someone in the seed industry. I try to use beans with my peas to help stand the peas up longer but I have done peas alone. 80lbs an acre. |
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| Friggs | Jan 13 2014, 12:17 PM Post #28 |
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Bigr, I beg to differ.... I still had lots of oat plants still growing and then they went brown from the frost. I could barely find a pea plant during the gun season in mid November. So my conclusion is that the deer and bears ate most of the 4010 peas, I'm assuming it was mostly deer eating the peas from all the trail cam pics I got. |
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| trophy | Jan 13 2014, 04:05 PM Post #29 |
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bears love green oats. |
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Jan 14 2014, 07:36 AM Post #30 |
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Peas take a while to get too pod. Almost 3-4 months. When did you plant? The bears were eating the Green oats like Trophy pointed out I'm sure of it. I planted peas and oats one year and had bears,, After that I never used oats and I never had bears. If you peas didn't do much, Its likely that the bears rolling around killed a lot of your young pea plants as well. Oats come up much faster as well. Try it with no oats. |
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| trophy | Jan 14 2014, 09:47 AM Post #31 |
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oats also keep up to grazing better, so it might look like they are getting less use, while the peas grow to slow or get pulled right out of the ground. Must admit, I don't know much about peas except for my garden, but oats I have used for cover crops . Many times I've seen bears with mouthfuls of green oats. Edited by trophy, Jan 14 2014, 09:48 AM.
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