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| Final Fantasy; The Greatest RPG Ever Made | |
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| Dawnreaver | Aug 31 2005, 12:46 PM Post #21 |
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Touche, but what about Midgard. THe Midgard of AE isn't going to look identical to the Midgard of FF7's main game. Then again, niether will Bahamut, though why he looks like a ffx reject I"ll never know. |
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| Slappy | Aug 31 2005, 07:45 PM Post #22 |
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New and Improved
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You mean AC right? Well, you're correct. But everyone has been saying that the Midgar in the Tech Demo didn't look as good as it could have, which means they didn't spend THAT much time on it. I still agree that it is likely they will remake it. But I don't think it would have been as strenuous on them to make this as you might think. |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Xantar | Aug 31 2005, 10:25 PM Post #23 |
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Not Jeff Probst
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I don't think it will be very hard to upgrade Final Fantasy VII to the PS3. However, I don't think Square will try to clarify the story in any way with it. That's what the spin-offs are supposed to be for. In any case, even though it makes sense economically, I think it's a bad idea. Squaresoft used to be one of the great giants of videogaming. They used to be so good that they didn't hhave to resort to cheap tricks like porting games willy-nilly or making direct sequels in order to stay profitable. Not even Nintendo could claim that. True, all of Squaresoft's major games were named "Final Fantasy," but they were all so different that they might as well be original games. Whether you thought all of the Final Fantasy games were really that great, you had to at least respect that they didn't take the path of least resistance. And then they made a direct sequel to Final Fantasy X and injected it with lots of female flesh. And then they started work on three spin-off games for Final Fantasy VII along with a movie. Now come rumors that they will remake Final Fantasy VII altogether, and nobody is surprised in the least. What would you have thought if you had heard about this back in the Playstation days? Squaresoft's reputation is now tarnished, and any of their fans have to admit now that deep down, their favorite company seems to be hitting a creative dry spell. Final Fantasy VII: Remake might make sense economically, but in the long run, it's the last thing they need. |
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PureVideoGames — Made From Only the Finest Ingredients Launched September 12, 2004 Xantarcube: Dragon, I need you to render a thief. She should be a 15-year old girl with ninja-like abilities and a knife. Try to give her a badass pose, too. Dragon of DTT: Ok. How's this? http://www.purevideogames.net/images/Character_Art/thief_full.jpg Mortal Kombat: Dragon. Wins. L33tality! Dragon of DTT: Don't complain. Buy a hooker. Xantarcube: What am I going to do with a hooker? Dragon of DTT: Wii Sports. Shadyshark: but adrienne may be pregnant Shadyshark: or have cancer Shadyshark: she's hoping for cancer Seriously. Even I'm in my signature. Fix yours. | |
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| Dawnreaver | Sep 1 2005, 12:06 PM Post #24 |
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Good thing I'm not a fanbot and managed to find joy in a plethora of other games. Shadow Hearts 2 springs to mind. And since when have the cities ever looked up to par. I'm sorry to say, but I"ve yet to see a game in which the cityscape ever looks "as good as it can" Hell, all of FFVII didn't look "as good as it could" Besides, when people complain about games, how often do you hear: "The chaacter design was brilliant, but the glaring inefficnecy of the background quality made the game tank."? |
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| Slappy | Sep 1 2005, 12:59 PM Post #25 |
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I don't know how to respond to you BF, it seemed you were just asking random questions. What kind of a point are you trying to make? Or are you? Anyway... I agree with you Xantar. 100%, but sadly if they remake it, yes, I would play it. And I do seriously think they're going to remake it, or there's a high possibility anyway. And I think this because of what you said for the most part. They're running dry and this will make them money. As much as we may hate it, it will make them money. I'm not saying it would be good for them to remake it, or any Square fans will like it. But many people will look at it and say "PRETTY!" and they'll go out to buy it. I might just rent it on a Gamepass and see if its worth buying. But now I'm getting ahead of myself. |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Dawnreaver | Sep 1 2005, 08:08 PM Post #26 |
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You played FFVII the oroignal right? Play that again and close your eyes and imagine pretty. Is that worth buying? That's your answer. |
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| Slappy | Sep 5 2005, 05:45 PM Post #27 |
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Actually, now that I think about it, my friend borrowed and broke my old FF7, so if they do remake it I suppose I will buy it. If I have a PS3 that is. |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Trippy Skippin Tomato | Sep 8 2005, 03:16 AM Post #28 |
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TOTALLY SEXY GAMER DEMON GOLFER
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I have had a...revelation, of sorts. Last night while I was at work, I had a good amount of time to think. And I decided to think about why it was, exactly, that I didn't like FF7. After a bit of pondering, I think I have stumbled onto the root of the problem. See, over the last few days, I've been having a big plot discussion with some people at another web forum regarding FF7's story and characters and what have you. As we talked, I began to realize that the story to FF7 is actually pretty decent, albeit covered in a massive glob of goo called poor writing. Really, it's kinda like a badly written mystery novel, where the author leaves very telling clues, pointing the crime at one specific person and driving it home time and time again, but at the end, the real culprit is some guy from the background that you hardly noticed in the game. But aside from that, FF7 really isn't HORRIBLE, as I've made it out to be in the past. It's just painfully mediocre(Much like the rest of the FF series, really). The thing that really made me dislike it so much was the fact that such a mediocre game could manage to garner so much media and fan attention, over games that were clearly of much higher quality, such as Suikoden, Vandal Hearts, or hell, even other FF games. And it bothered me even further that the game is STILL revered in this kind of light today, when other games that are many, many times better have come and gone without notice. I mean, FF7 is getting 4 sequels! How many did Vandal Hearts 2 get? None. Beyond that, how many people have played, or even HEARD of Vandal Hearts 2? That's my real problem with FF7. When mediocre products manage to overshadow masterpieces, it bothers me to no end. I still think it needs to stop. I still think they need to NOT MAKE THESE POINTLESS SEQUELS. Just something I felt I needed to say to you all. ALSO: I was reading an interview with FF7 character designer Tetsuya Nomura, and he admitted(Not word for word, but it's close enough) that he didn't design Cloud and co. to be good characters, he designed them to be "Memorable Icons". What I've been saying for years now has finally been proven true! Nomura can't design a "character" to save his life, but he's a mastermind at creating a popular "product". |
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| Xantar | Sep 8 2005, 05:59 PM Post #29 |
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Not Jeff Probst
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Well, I'm not mad about Final Fantasy VII's popularity. I've never played Vandal Hearts. The RPGs I like most (Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger and Cross, Tales of Phantasia and Symphonia) are given their due. Sure, people don't scream and wail in self-indulgent ecstasy at the sight of Celes, but the games are well known enough for me. All the same, I still don't like Final Fantasy VII's story. It's not terrible. It's just flatter than Kansas. I'd go into more detail, but it seems that it's never any use. Nobody ever wants to actually talk about FF VII's plot with me for some reason... By the way, I thought of one way that a graphical update of FF VII would actually improve it a bit. You'd actually be able to tell what the hell the characters are doing. Those miserable, squat little models had about as much range of motion as a Barbie doll. Every once in a while, I'd see Cloud raise his cube-hand upward and it would take me a moment to figure out whether he's supposed to be raising a hand, scratching his head or doing a military salute. And don't get me started on Barret's angry shooting gun motion. It took three times before I figured out what the hell that shaking was supposed to be for (it didn't help that there was no accompanying sound). |
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PureVideoGames — Made From Only the Finest Ingredients Launched September 12, 2004 Xantarcube: Dragon, I need you to render a thief. She should be a 15-year old girl with ninja-like abilities and a knife. Try to give her a badass pose, too. Dragon of DTT: Ok. How's this? http://www.purevideogames.net/images/Character_Art/thief_full.jpg Mortal Kombat: Dragon. Wins. L33tality! Dragon of DTT: Don't complain. Buy a hooker. Xantarcube: What am I going to do with a hooker? Dragon of DTT: Wii Sports. Shadyshark: but adrienne may be pregnant Shadyshark: or have cancer Shadyshark: she's hoping for cancer Seriously. Even I'm in my signature. Fix yours. | |
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| Legendary-Elf | Sep 24 2005, 04:58 PM Post #30 |
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Ahhhh Yes the famous Final Fantasy seris, started off with the four crstal warriors, and now worked their way up the ladder to online playing. My favourite Final Fantasy would have to be Final Fantasy VII. Sephiroth was the first villian in any RPG made to be as unpredictable and have such an evil yet admirable personality, everyone liked him as a favourite. Vicent Valatine was also a cool character in FFVII. FFX was a great game, probably one of the few good RPG's on PS2 other than Kingdom Hearts. The creative idea of Blitzball was introduced in this epic RPG. My favourite character in FFX would have had to have been damn forgot how to spell his name, I think his name was Jecht or something. He gave up basically everything to save Spira. He was the best Blitzball player, had a child and was raising a family, he was at the top of his life. He gave up all that plus the trust of his son, to save Spira. About all this Square "Enix" falling under, it's true. Xantar is right about the the sequal part, FFX-2 was rediculous. The only good games they made on the PS2 were Kindom Hearts and FFX. They made others like Drakenguard, holy shit that sucked half the people here probably haven't even heard of that game. The remaking of FFVII as a game, which i highly doubt they will I think it's all rumors, maybe the only thing they can do at this point. One last thing as well Xantar HOLY SHIT YOU'VE PLAYED TALES OF PHANTASIA!!!! Damn you Xantar, thats one game I really wanna try, Cress is pretty cool on what I saw in Tales of Destiny 2. Oh ya if you like Tales of Phantasia you'll like Tales of Destiny and Tales of Destiny 2. [size=7]Stay Gold All[/size] |
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| Malagossa | Sep 28 2005, 08:10 PM Post #31 |
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Eternally Dreaming
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Spoken like someone who didn't truly play the game. Although I haven't finished it yet, I am rather engrossed in 50+ hours of gameplay my first play through. The mini games are immersive, the plot ever thickening, and the depth/intensity/difficulty of the battle system was a pleasant surprise. I agree with the begining of FFX playing like a movie, but this title is truly a game. If anything the game play is almost too non-linear. You have trouble picking from 1 of 12 places to go to next! But you can go on to say it was a ploy for horny japanese boys. Even though this game is practically G rated. I'll also throw in my vote for FF7 as one of my top picks. I enjoy this title everytime I pick it up, and it truly re-energized, and pushed this series onto next generation consoles. I think one of my favorite things about this title is that it takes place in more modern times. The previous titles were all basically medieval; while many of the following titles were futuristic. FF7 took alot of bold steps, and I don't see any other game that pushed the envelope to progression further than this one. |
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| kowru | Oct 28 2005, 01:14 AM Post #32 |
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I'M SO SMART S - M - R - T SMART! |
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| kowru | Oct 28 2005, 01:33 AM Post #33 |
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whoa, i bet i could fill that space up reaaaal quick. my ps2 40 gig is capped, i sometimes have to erase stuff to make room the hard drive is not just for save games u know, silly willy! |
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| Xantar | Oct 28 2005, 06:59 AM Post #34 |
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Not Jeff Probst
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And you know this how? Are you a game developer or a programmer? And if so, why does it seem that your mind can't sustain a thought for longer than ten words? And why did you double-post instead of just editing your first one? Did you forget to read the rules? And are you aware that there's a shift key on your keyboard? And if you're about to start yelling at me for being uptight about your grammar, save it. I've heard it all before, and I don't care. Neither does anybody else here care what your justification is for not reaching a pinkie finger over to the side every once in a while. |
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PureVideoGames — Made From Only the Finest Ingredients Launched September 12, 2004 Xantarcube: Dragon, I need you to render a thief. She should be a 15-year old girl with ninja-like abilities and a knife. Try to give her a badass pose, too. Dragon of DTT: Ok. How's this? http://www.purevideogames.net/images/Character_Art/thief_full.jpg Mortal Kombat: Dragon. Wins. L33tality! Dragon of DTT: Don't complain. Buy a hooker. Xantarcube: What am I going to do with a hooker? Dragon of DTT: Wii Sports. Shadyshark: but adrienne may be pregnant Shadyshark: or have cancer Shadyshark: she's hoping for cancer Seriously. Even I'm in my signature. Fix yours. | |
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| kowru | Nov 4 2005, 01:19 AM Post #35 |
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not sure, i guess i didn't think about it...i thought about it later on? you seem pretty angry about it, seems like you have more of an issue with me than with the forum topic. i'm not writing an essay, just typing away at whatever thoughts enter my brain, isn't that how these things work? and btw i love not shifting, its fits my personality very well actually...knowing that i can shift, yet, i dont feel the need to. try reading what i am saying rather than what my writing looks like :p. i am not only a programmer and game designer, but try to learn everything about games down to how they work. made my first game at forteen-that i did. are you saying that they'd use the same engine from FFVII to make a remake? not even if they remade it on ps1... because FF8 had a different game engine than VII did. making a powerful game engine these days takes at least two years, incredible programming and thought goes into the process (unreal 3 engine is in the spotlight at the moment, before that doom 3 engine)...this on top of the barrage of graphics that many ff games exhibit clocks in at many years...if they had more than 500 guys working on the game (how much they had for the 50milllion ff9 for a two year production), then they could cut their time, it could very well be that they are already working on the game without anyone knowing about it...which is how they have always worked, they began production on FF13 awhile ago for example. if it seems like i cant sustain a thought for very long, its because i have ADD ok? the only thing i can seem to concentrate on is videogames. so you expect me to yell at you, you've got me read...ok let me save you the yelling. dude ever think about just asking nicely? it says newbiness next to my name for crying out loud, i dont write in forums... |
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| Xantar | Nov 6 2005, 10:39 PM Post #36 |
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Not Jeff Probst
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I can come up with a dissection of your entire post, but seeing as you have ADD, I'll just boil it down to an easy, digestible essential piece for you. In fact, I'll just use your own words.
That's right. You didn't think about it. You just typed away whatever popped into your hormone-addled little brain without taking a moment to think about whether any of it made any sense. And you know what? It made you look like an idiot. And you know what else? I don't care about how not shifting doesn't fit your personality. If that's the truth, then it means your personality is lazy and pathetic. Really, it's quite laughable that you're telling me to read what you say when you apparently didn't even read the bit in my post where I said I didn't give a rat's what your reason is for not reaching over a finger to the side of your keyboard every once in a while. Now if you've made it this far in my post, I'm very impressed. Good job on maintaining your attention. Keep going! You can make it to the end, I know you can! Now let's see, oh yeah, if making a graphics engine takes so long and so much effort, pray tell how did Silicon Knights manage to update Metal Gear Solid—with no gameplay modes and mechanics, no less—in such a short time? Their development schedule didn't quite get all the way up to 3 years... Still with me? Good. Then here's where I tell you to stop whining about how nice I'm not being and worry a little bit more about yourself. Nobody here cares about how polite I am because I'm not doing anything except speaking plain, simple truth. I guarantee, however, that they're all noticing what a fool you've made yourself out to be, and they don't care one bit that your post count makes you a newbie. I thought I saw you claiming to be Ooburi, after all. If you don't like me, then that's just too bad. Deal with it. And while you're at it, I'd really like to see how far you get in the real world with an attitude like that. Most people wouldn't even waste the effort to respond to you. |
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PureVideoGames — Made From Only the Finest Ingredients Launched September 12, 2004 Xantarcube: Dragon, I need you to render a thief. She should be a 15-year old girl with ninja-like abilities and a knife. Try to give her a badass pose, too. Dragon of DTT: Ok. How's this? http://www.purevideogames.net/images/Character_Art/thief_full.jpg Mortal Kombat: Dragon. Wins. L33tality! Dragon of DTT: Don't complain. Buy a hooker. Xantarcube: What am I going to do with a hooker? Dragon of DTT: Wii Sports. Shadyshark: but adrienne may be pregnant Shadyshark: or have cancer Shadyshark: she's hoping for cancer Seriously. Even I'm in my signature. Fix yours. | |
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| kowru | Nov 6 2005, 11:40 PM Post #37 |
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dude first of all, as i'm sure you know, my ADD hasn't quite reached the level of unawareness just yet...i do think it was incredibly low and tasteless of you to add that in your peice repeatedly. my hormone addled little brain did cause you to: 1. respond to me...so you must have felt just a little "challenged" 2. personally attack ppl to what, make them feel inferior? try to stick to facts bub. were you also implying that i have an adolescent mind? if so try to count all of the name-calling you did there, feel like a big man now? didn't know what to say other than that? pshh mommy raised a rude lil boy, need to work on that. its true that i can be damn lazy, but i can be brilliant when i want to be. pathetic, i guess that's your opinion, but what matters is mine, not some snob-nose-in-the-air-my-opinion-is-always-better-i-am-god-because-i-write-perfectly (hows that for name calling, take notes ^_~) foolio. no i didn't read the part about you not giving a rats ass about my not hitting shift, or maybe it was just me, being amazed enough to write back about it...though i had no idea i wasn't actually allowed to write about the subject...but just to clear things up, take a chill pill, how you write doesn't make an opinion... which metal gear solid are you talking about, for someone so detail oriented you failed to mention that, considering they all use a different engine (with the exeption of metal gear twin snakes) if you happen to be talking about metal gear on gamecube (i believe that is the one made by silicon knights) it uses MGS2 engine and is exactly like the original in just about everyway. otherwise, you must also realize that they are making an engine on a system that was inferior the day it came out in the US...does that make sense to a college boy that it might take longer for an engine on a brand new console, or for a top-of-the-line-computer...not a 6 yr old console. also, ever heard of making a game before the engine is done!??! >.> then on top of that, the graphics in metal gear are good, but not exactly FF on ps3 are they...or FFX for that matter. try to do some critical thinking before you state your so called "plain truth" which is either a true or false statement correct, either one or zero. thats funny you say that because everything you said was either opinion or made no sense (metal gear bit). save your temper tantrum namecalling for other forums. attacking me with the real world aye, forums aren't real world for one thing...so i'm not going to worry about essay writing, know what i can be as lazy as i want when im at home...but if i'm trying to get a job do you think i'm gonna slouch?...no way. also mr, i dont whine, i simply state the truth that your one day going to pop a vein in that head of yours (big head to fit that big brain you think you have i guess) and bleed to death, so this is a matter of your safety. do you get far in real life acting like your from england? maybe if you'd try actually making a good impression of yourself instead of trying to blow ppl out of the water first time talking to them you might get farther, were you not loved as a child? if you dont like me thats all good, just dont blow up at me about it...now thats whining. people respond to me, know why? cuz i talk facts and have educated opinions, if i dont know about the subject i try to learn more about it or ask. man lish really pumped you up to be some god of war, but i have to say i was quite unimpressed by that last post...cmon wheres that ammo! and listen, i am really...deeply sorry that you are just a much better person than i am because you can reach over to the shift key. but then again thats because i lost my pinky when i was little... |
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| Trippy Skippin Tomato | Nov 7 2005, 04:22 AM Post #38 |
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TOTALLY SEXY GAMER DEMON GOLFER
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Ok. I seriously just don't know where to begin with this mess. Best just to start from the beginning, I suppose.
No. That is not how a web forum works. That is how a CHATROOM works. In a chatroom, it is acceptable to type fast and not check yourself often, because you need to keep up with the flow of conversation. If hitting the shift key drains your typing speed so much that it causes you to lose your place while talking online, then go ahead and skip it. But this is a web forum. When you post here, you have all the time in the world to carefully think over what you want to say. You can copy your text into a word document and run it through a spellchecker. You can give the momentary pause it takes to hit shift and captialize letters properly. You don't have to rush what you're saying, because the post isn't going to go away anytime soon. Hell, if you can't muster up the concentration to write everything out nicely in one sitting, you can save the text and finish typing it another time! Their is no reason to not write coherently on a web forum. None at all. Not even a missing pinkie finger(By the way, I want photographic proof before I'll believe that statement.) And just so you know, yes, typing coherently DOES in fact make a difference. Not taking the time to type correctly shows us that you are lazy and/or disrespectful of us and our forum. Typing incorrectly also makes whatever point you were trying to make look silly and incoherent, even if it's right and the logic behind it is perfectly sound.
First of all, I'd like you to site some sources as to your information. Frankly, I don't believe a whit of it. 500 people is an absolutely exorbitant number of people to work on a single game. From what I've learned of the business, 500 is close to the entire staff roster for a gaming corporation. Most individual teams that develop a single game number more into the 40's, if even that many. Also note that these teams are broken up further, and that not even half are actually responsible for programming the actual game. Just look at the credits of any given game, and you'll often see MAYBE 6-7 names under the various "programmer" subtitles. Which bring me to my next point. The time it takes to create a sequal is significant, yes. But it is not even close to creating a whole new game. For one, you don't need to write the game script. Maybe make a few minor changes, but that's piddling. You don't need to design characters, or monsters. The core gameplay is set, you don't need to tweak it(Unless tweaking the gameplay is the point of the remake, as in the various Street Fighters, or Guilty Gear XX #Reload.) All you have to do is redesign the graphics, and a team of 7 can do that in less than two years. Make it a team of 20? Under a year. Look at Makai Kingdom. Using Phantom Brave's basic engine, the NIS team was able to create a totally new product with totally new story and gameplay within 9 months. Now, imagine if you will, if all they were doing was spicing up the graphics of Phantom Brave. I'd imagine they could have had the game done in under 5. What all this boils down to is that, yes, Square would need to rework several aspects of the game, because they don't have a similar game on a current-gen platform to work with. But look at thier new Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song. That's a remake of an SNES game. It took them only a little over a year to program, from reports I've heard. And the team devoted to it was not that big(SaGa games get no love, even from it's own parent company...) Research fact correctly before you spout off, thanks you very much.
Let's see. You bring up the fact that you have ADD, and blame it for your inability to concentrate and make coherent posts with complete information and thoughts. Then you become OUTRAGED when Xantar makes light of it in his post... *whistles*
So which is it? Are you completely new and trying to tkae credit for someone else's work? Or did you used to post here as Ooburi, who has been around far longer than I, but are calling newbie just to win an arguement? I really would like to know.
1: Respond is what people do on a web forum. One person posts a message, another person responds. Xantar, and many other people respond to messages all the time. Don't think you made him "Feel challenged" just because he decided to talk to you once again. He's trying to set your facts straight, and since you're being so adamant about getting them wrong, why can't he be adamant about setting them right? 2: As we already covered, you asked for it. Almost directly. He didn't step out of bounds, and said nothing that you didn't prove yourself to be already.
You have an adolescent mind because you act like a little kid. You're whining and blaming your lack of effort on everything around you, trying to divert the blame to anything but yourself. You make no effort to back up your claims with any sort of proof, and you just expect everyone to believe you because "You said so". Xantar made relevant claims, backed them up, and presented them coherently. Making fun of you was just a small part of his post, and he did so without resorting to infantile insults or 'name-calling'. Unless they changed the definition of "Mature" since I last looked, I'd say Xantar's quite a bit ahead of you in that area.
Then show us. We're not going to believe you on your word alone, if you haven't already realized that. And so far, you've only showed us that you are lazy and, well, slow.
Xantar never claimed he was better than you. He only claimed that you looked bad overall. You're the only one comparing.
... What? I'm sorry, I lost you about halfway though that part. What are you trying to say here? Really, I'm completely at a loss.
Let's play a game. It's called "USING LOGIC BANG ZOOM!" Xantar said "Now let's see, oh yeah, if making a graphics engine takes so long and so much effort, pray tell how did Silicon Knights manage to update Metal Gear Solid—with no gameplay modes and mechanics, no less—in such a short time? Their development schedule didn't quite get all the way up to 3 years..." First of all, he said "update Metal Gear Solid". That would indicate the first game, since there are no subtitles. Second, he said that it was an update. Only one MGS game was recieved an update, to my knowledge(Was subsistence an update? I hav eno idea. Even with that, it narrows to two games). Third, he said Silicon Knights worked on it. Silicon Knights only worked on one MGS game. That games was... Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, which was an update of...the original MGS! Yes, it's the one for the Gamecube, if you need further clarification. Xantar said exactly what needed to be said to point out exactly which MGS he was talking about. It's not out problem you can't connect simple points such as this. But all that aside, his point still stands. Twin Snakes is an update of an older game. MUCH of the information needed to create that game was already there. Plot, characters, area layouts, etc. The game was already fully balanced. All that needed to be redone was the graphics, with a few minor tweaks here and there to help the new gameplay elements(Lockers to hide in, since that ability wasn't available in the first MGS, etc.) And since everything was already laid out for them, the programming time was cut to nearly nothing. And what 6 year old console are we talking about? Surely you don't mean the Gamecube? In that instance, they took the core engine from a current-gen game(MGS2), and mapped an older game's layout to it. It was be no means "outdated", and especially not by six years. And an FF7 update woule be no different. The original game is outdated, but to remap it's ideas and layout to a newer system would be cake. But I've already covered this, I don't feel I need to again.
I already covered this too, but I decided I'd quote it and comment for further impact. *whistles*
Xantar is hardly stressing out about you. Nobody is. It's just like you said, you're another person on the internet. We don't know you. Why should we particularly care about you? But fact is, we have to put up with you, becasue you post here. And we're not ones to put up with a lot of bullshit. Schooling != ANGRY TIRADE
*Tries to stifle laughter, but fails miserably*
While Lish does in fact overblow Xantar's qualities, there's still a lot of truth behind what she exaggerates. You just have to be able to comprehend what he's saying to see it. I guess you just don't fit that bill, huh?
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| kowru | Nov 7 2005, 04:21 PM Post #39 |
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Actually i (lookey i no press shift key woo!) was talking to lish and she braught up the fact that people should write better in forums rather than chat rooms etc. It's true that I my first alias was Ooberi, but I am also still a newbie because I haven't posted in hellllla days, and as Ooberi i hadn't posted often to begin with. I really don't know forum culture very well, although many forums i've read in the past have just made me angry, too angry to bother to write in it...fanboys are forum whores from what I've seen. So really you are stating how this one forum works, definitely not forums in general which have no knowledge of proper english.
When did I say that all 500 people were programmers (part of logics 2.0 read further for more details!!!)? 500 programmers is proposterous, a team of 500 workers/designers etc for one game is very large indeed...the reason i braught up the amount for FFIX, is to give you an idea of how long it can take with that kind of team on a ten year old console, I assure you that this information is correct. If you fast forward to the present, many comany's make games of varying degrees. The new mortal kombat game for example, took just over a year to complete and the team was about 50 people, this game is not exactly graphically intensive, a fighting game can be incredibly deep, but this depth comes from programming and numerous animations for the fighters. also the fact that many fighting games recycle most of what was previously there (soul caliber 3 recycles some from even the early sould edge) in terms of animation. It all depends on the kind of game your making, (think DDR takes a long time to complete?) what company is making it, and the budget. What takes most of the time on any game, is mere graphics, did you know that the intro movie for FFX took 6 months to create and render? So let me go back to FFVII remake, no one has ever seen graphics on an RPG so intense as to push the PS3 to its limits, that is 50 or so hours long, the locals, animations, textures, recorded sound etc...all play a huge part. This kind of monumental task that has yet to be done, will surely be a huge challenge for square. It's also true that much of the work was done previously, so it would be easier to remake material rather than creating from scratch. Though, if you compare the time it takes to say, design an enemy...to the time to actually create it, program it, and animate it in ps3/xbox360 graphics, then you might see how long the process will take and why they need so many people to have it on the market in a reasonable amount of time. Ahh, romancing saga for ps2...not the best source of reference i must say, but alright. First of all where did you get the development scedule for the game? Second, the game is short and bare bones, i dont feel like playing through the same game with no story seven times lolz...a few of the locals do look rather awsome, but they aren't technically impressive...only impressive from a designer viewpoint. All the game has, is what seems a bit more programming for the battle system then what is typically found in RPGs today. You can't compare RS and the FFVII remake because they would be totally different when it comes to development and the power of the system its running on. Just for future reference, the only good Saga game was "Saga Frontier 2." There is a reason they dont make the game much...the last game for ps2 sunk like a tank in water for good reason.
enraged? Last time i got enraged was when my house was broken into and stole about 80 of my ps1 and dreamcast games...a forum wont outrage me. I never said i coudn't make coherent posts, but it is a problem i have...he asked about why i don't keep a thought for more than 10 words, and i answered thats all. The fact is that if you read my post after his, I could usually keep a thought for...well the whole paragraph? I should tell you that I do have to go back and edit my writing at times because of the fact, but i assure you i am totally coherent.
Honestly, i dont care much whether or not someone thinks they are more mature than anyone else, including me. I blame my lack of effort on myself...when did i ever say it was lish's fault or something I did, I AM LAZY, I UNDERSTAND THIS...why does that point make no sense to you? The reason i dont back my claims up is because i read tons and tons of information about games and have since I was able to pick up a magazine and read it. Like i said, games are one of the only things i can totally concentrate on...so I don't forget most of what I read. It is for this reason that I can't directly site sources, but if you don't beleive what I have to say why not do research of your own? You nor xantar seem to have done much research in light of these postings, then you write whaling about me lieing about everything when you seem to be guessing yourself. If you really want to know the secret behind me leaving long posts back to xantar, its because lish pumped him up to be a godly being...I consider myself to be "somewhat" intelligent lol, so I was naturally curious to see this first hand. I would usually never keep posting just to best someone, if I know the facts and they won't listen or beleive me, then whats the point right?
Slow, i i must be too slow to realize in what way i'm slow >.>. I know I've shown you that i'm lazy, really what I lack is "will" much of the time...but when i have it I'm never in second place, take the game I made when I was 14...that took nearly a year for me to complete, and I'm still proud of my first project even today. Right now I have the will to shield your oncoming attacks, and I think i'm doing so quite well. If you haven't realized by now no one is perfect...this is just how I roll brotha. Why not move on to something other than my laziness o.o please. By the way just so you know "slow" people can't make videogames when they're 14...let alone a 647mb one that took almost a year in development >.>
Am I? well dearest me, most of how people communicate isn't with what they say. It's true i can't see xantar from where I sit, but I can tell a bit about him in the way he wrote that first post to me. Like I said in my last post, he seems like an englishman... not only did he think he was superior right off the bat, but he felt the need to mention the words "idiot" among other things, and if that isn't name calling what is...that's just his uneducated opinion that has no bearing in what is discussed...especially about the main topic which is still game development.
cmon man! I don't need to write perfectly for you to understand that. If you read it nice and slow and consider the words within...you'll see what i'm saying. If not then i'll break it down for you. "I did read that he didn't care about me responding about him being an ass, though I was not aware that his word was law. Meaning I still felt the need to bring it up in a nonstraightforward way because of the simple fact that it amazed me. Therefore i did not care that he told me not to, make any sense yet?" cmon don't be slow now. Think of it as one of those IQ questions.
USING LOGIC BANG ZOON!!! ver. 2.0 For one thing, Xantar uses the word update loosly...if you had read all the posts you'd see that. So at first glance I did not see which he was talking about, considering there are actually 4 games that were updated. When he said silicon knights I then remembered Twin Snakes...so obviously I was not in need of clarification, as i stated this game twice in my post though I did not combine the words "Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes for the Nintendo Gamecube" because i figured well, someone bringing metal gear up in a conversation should know maybe...something about its name in entirety or the fact that its on Gamecube...if you need all the information for future forums i might think about adding it...then again it might be a waste of time...hey then again, Xantar didn't plainly state the game either hahaha. Lets see, did I not mention that MGS Twin Snakes used the MGS2 engine? Try reading a little more into it. So there, some work is done for the game...OH!!! Then there's the voice acting that is exactly the same!!!! OH!!! Then the fact that much of the levels are pretty flatly detailed, much like MGS2...hell it doesn't even take advantage of the Gamecube's hardware. The logic I'm using here states that the comparison between the Metal Gear remake and FFVII remake is...well something you can't compare due to many factors. You talked about the 6 year old system, that would be logically be ps2. The reason for me bringing this up is because, it was part of a series of sentences that were triggered had Xantar not been talking about Twin Snakes. Logic man...so funny I can hit you with it so easily, the inventor of USING LOGIC BANG ZOON!!! You be trippin Trippy.
Whether or not I fit the bill shouldn't be considered by you...considering you did not fully understand my last posting. Maybe it was due in some part by lack of careful writing, but I honestly don't think you really read into it...and you seem a bit one sided there. How can you say he wasn't name calling hahaha, he didn't exactly insinuate it, it was pretty flat out. BOOO BRING BACK XANTAR!!! Oh ya I have new pix of my pinky, i always take em to show off to my friends! The actual pinky finger was disinegrated though...so no pic of that. Yay I found the shift key though, I just found out I can use my other pinky! Also check out Trippy quote number seven for some great writing techniques! |
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| Dawnreaver | Nov 7 2005, 05:03 PM Post #40 |
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HAHA! You're an idiot. That's really all I have to say, and I find it ironic that I only came back because someone asked me if I wanted to verbally rape someone. My skills are a bit dusty, please allow me to give a damn and then teh sodomization will commence. Trippy, Xantar, it's good to be back in business with you again. Let's rape this fool! |
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