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Final Fantasy; The Greatest RPG Ever Made
Topic Started: Aug 11 2005, 06:39 PM (2,538 Views)
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The ^^, unfortunately, is something the guys have picked up. So... It doesn't identify us any longer. Though... I think it's cute when guys do it. XD

I want to play FFXIII and Versus especially, SO BAD. They keep pushing back the release though...

PLAY SUIKODEN 2. PLAY IT. DOWNLOAD IT. DO WHAT YOU MUST.

OMG GREATEST GAME EVER.
Marci: What is the world coming to? You've become me, Xantar's become Slappy...

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Dragon: I bet Xantar is like the ultimate designated driver
Dragon: drops off all his drunk buddies at each other's ex-girlfriends' houses


Mystic Gohan: xantar has had his lasting effects on our easily influenced minds
Mystic Gohan: hes probably at home cackling as we speak


Me: Xantar never really talks unless you talk to him first.
Marci: And that will hold until he makes the first move. I've learned. Don't ever go into a Xantar conversation blind.
It's like going swimming naked. You make sure there aren't any sharks nearby and that you don't have any open wounds first.


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XD! I'll check it out.

I forgot to mention FF2(4). I have it for the snes and the ps1 version. Rydia was my favorite character. <3
 
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All of the Suikoden games are pretty much the best games ever, except for 4 and Rhapsodia, which are still better than 90% of the JRPG's out there.

I like the games so much I would have sex with the main characters of each. And I am a straight man.
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Yeah, I was about to chime in this morning "Suikoden IS good" like four posts ago but sometimes... fuck it, that's why.

You know, I think if TST here has any way of viewing past conversations of his on AIM he'd be able to find some SERIOUS dissections of the FF7 plot and storytelling formulas he and I talked about some years ago.

(tst look for that shit)
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We had one convo about FF7 plotholes, and one about how stupid easy the game are/how stupid and ignorant people are because they can't beat Sephiroth. I'll post them both.

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Session Start (squintygustav:goochrepublic): Sun Apr 23 14:02:39 2006
[14:02] goochrepublic: When you come back
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[14:02] goochrepublic: I want to ask you some stuff about FF7 plotholes, since how I know how much you looooved that game
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[21:08] squintygustav: I guess I have a few minutes to spare.  What questions?
[21:08] squintygustav: Keep in mind I haven't talked about this game in ages
[21:08] goochrepublic: Plotholes. What was seriously wrong with it
[21:08] squintygustav: And I haven't played it in 4 times as long
[21:08] goochrepublic: I mean, listen to this
[21:09] goochrepublic: Cloud was just a regular soldier, so why does he have cells in him
[21:09] goochrepublic: stuff like that
[21:09] goochrepublic: All that good stuff about what cloud is, isn't, what he did and didn't do, all the good stuff you used to rant about
[21:09] squintygustav: Well, supposedly, Hojo implanted the cells in him during that period where he was incarcerated in the Shinra Mansion basement
[21:10] goochrepublic: But that didn't make him SOLDIER, did it? Just... a normal guy with cells in him?
[21:10] squintygustav: Yeah, he wasn't SOLDIER
[21:10] goochrepublic: Zach, on the other hand, was, right?
[21:11] squintygustav: That whole thing comes from the fact that he waws so whaked out on drugs that he thought he was Zack
[21:11] squintygustav: Yes, Zack was a fully trained SOLDIER
[21:11] goochrepublic: Hmm... Alright, what about Sephiroth
[21:11] goochrepublic: I heard he was just a mental projection of the real sephiroth who like, died
[21:11] goochrepublic: I haven't played in years
[21:12] squintygustav: The "Sephiroth" you see walking around in game is Jenova, creating an image of Sephiroth to lead Cloud and co. on
[21:12] squintygustav: Because she needs him to get the Black Materia for her, since she can't get it.
[21:13] squintygustav: The real Sephiroth dies in the Neibelheim Mako Reactor 5 years previous to the game
[21:13] squintygustav: When Cloud throws him down the main shaft into the core of the earth
[21:14] goochrepublic: Hmm... then what is the sephiroth who's stuck in jellyish stuff in the northern crater
[21:14] goochrepublic: and at the end of the game, is that the real sephiroth you fight
[21:14] squintygustav: That's his corpse
[21:14] squintygustav: It's the "Final Piece" of Jenova
[21:15] squintygustav: Since it was so perfectly ingrained with Jenova cells, she couldn't absorb just the cells, so she had to get at the whole corpse, which just so conveniently was stored in crystallized Mako
[21:15] squintygustav: No
[21:15] squintygustav: The final boss is Jenova x3
[21:15] squintygustav: First, you fight her in her -imperfect- form, she's still missing the cells that are in Sephiroth
[21:15] squintygustav: Second, you fight her as she treis to merge with the Sephy body
[21:16] goochrepublic: mmhmm
[21:16] squintygustav: That whole grotesque thing below the Sephiroth torso is Jenova entering the body through it's open wound
[21:16] goochrepublic: Then... Jenova plus sephiroth's cells
[21:17] goochrepublic: So... the real sephiroth had more cells in him than jenova did?
[21:17] squintygustav: The final fight is a fight with "Perfect" Jenova, who has assumed the form of Sephrioth because she can't break that part of him down into just her cells anymore
[21:17] squintygustav: No
[21:17] squintygustav: It's jsut that, since he was born with them, his body was perfectly melded with the Jenova cells
[21:17] squintygustav: She couldn't seperate them out
[21:17] goochrepublic: I see
[21:17] squintygustav: Think of it like Jenova is using a seive
[21:18] squintygustav: Other humans with her cells are made of sand, and she can melt away the flesh and just get her cells out
[21:18] squintygustav: Sephiroth, being born with the cells, is like a big rock
[21:18] squintygustav: She can't get her cells out, because they're solidified into his flesh
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[21:19] goochrepublic: I see
[21:19] goochrepublic: Now why is Cloud so confused about his story?
[21:20] squintygustav: It had to do with the fact that he was so drugged up after the NEbelhiem experiements
[21:20] squintygustav: Zack busts him out, fully recovered, but Cloud is still foggy
[21:20] squintygustav: They take the truck and drive all the way out to Midgar
[21:20] goochrepublic: so by the time he recovers, he thinks his and zach's stories are flipped
[21:20] squintygustav: But the Shira grunts catch up and kill Zack
[21:20] squintygustav: Yeah
[21:21] squintygustav: While they're in the truck, Zack keeps telling him stories of his life
[21:21] squintygustav: And his exploints in joining and while being in SOLDIER
[21:21] goochrepublic: I see... That was all so unclear in the game, I don't remember hearing half this stuff
[21:21] squintygustav: So when Zack is killed, the shock of it knocks Cloud back to conciousness, but all he can remember are the things Zack told him
[21:22] squintygustav: Becaus tehd amn game can't make up it's mind
[21:22] squintygustav: "Dur dur dur let's make it look like Jenova is the villain and then tell everyone it's Sephiroth lol he'll sell more copies"
[21:23] goochrepublic: Wait a second then
[21:23] goochrepublic: Jenova was being held at Midgar in the beginning right
[21:24] squintygustav: Uh, yeah, I beleibe so
[21:24] goochrepublic: How did Sephiroth break her out if sephiroth is really... her, but she was incarcerated
[21:24] squintygustav: She breaks out her own damn self
[21:24] goochrepublic: Really?
[21:24] squintygustav: Yeah
[21:25] squintygustav: She busts out and trails blood all over the building
[21:25] squintygustav: Kills the Shinra President, and several scientists, I think
[21:25] squintygustav: She awakens because of Cloud, or somebody
[21:26] goochrepublic: hmm
[21:26] goochrepublic: That's all very interesting
[21:27] goochrepublic: Now as far as actually mistakes in the story - got any?
[21:28] squintygustav: Oh hell...anything where the game implies Sephiroth is the final enemy
[21:28] squintygustav: Man...it's been far too long man
[21:28] squintygustav: Sorry
[21:28] goochrepublic: But doesn't cloud THINK the enemy is sephiroth?
[21:29] goochrepublic: it's ok
[21:29] goochrepublic: I'm in the same boat, that's why I'm asking
[21:29] goochrepublic: I'll be right back
[21:35] goochrepublic: one last question though
[21:36] squintygustav: Yeah?
[21:36] goochrepublic: There's a 4th boss fight
[21:36] goochrepublic: Just sephiroth
[21:36] goochrepublic: Is that in Cloud's mind or something
[21:36] squintygustav: Yes
[21:36] goochrepublic: I see
[21:36] squintygustav: It's a representation of Cloud "erasing Sephiroth's control over him"
[21:37] goochrepublic: I see
[21:37] goochrepublic: Nice
[21:37] squintygustav: Having killed who he believes to be Sephiroth, his mania over chasing him is gone
[21:37] goochrepublic: And the whole lifestream stopping meteor thing, that's because Aeris died to summon holy and everything, right
[21:37] squintygustav: Yeah
[21:38] squintygustav: With her dead, she was abole to bring out the Lifestream and stall the MEteor long enough for Holy to make up it's damn mind about humans
[21:38] squintygustav: And decide to save them
[21:38] squintygustav: Via destroying Meteor
[21:38] goochrepublic: Ohhhhh
[21:38] goochrepublic: there we go
[21:38] goochrepublic: thanks a bunch
[21:39] squintygustav: Sure
[22:30] goochrepublic: Er... one more problem my friend brought up... On the mission to nibelhiem's reactor, what happened to zach?
[22:30] squintygustav: He was cut down by Sephiroth
[22:30] goochrepublic: But he lived through it, right?
[22:30] goochrepublic: Yeah, he had to have
[22:31] squintygustav: Seemingly, he took a very heavy wound, and went unconcious
[22:31] squintygustav: Yeah
[22:31] goochrepublic: That's when Cloud and Zach are captured and experimented on, right
[22:31] squintygustav: Hojo found him and brought him to the Shinra mansion before death
[22:31] squintygustav: Yeah
[22:31] goochrepublic: Alright thanks
[22:32] goochrepublic: then they escape
[22:32] goochrepublic: go to midgar
[22:32] goochrepublic: and it goes back to what we talked about earlier
[22:32] goochrepublic: right
[22:32] squintygustav: Yes
[22:44] goochrepublic: how does cloud get knocked into the lifestream
[22:45] squintygustav: Oh hell I don't remember
[22:45] goochrepublic: lol yeah sorry about all that, I'm just remembering little bits
[22:45] goochrepublic: and going "woah wait a minute"
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Session Close (goochrepublic): Sun Apr 23 23:53:00 2006



PART 2: Sephiroth is a shitty boss and anyone who can't beat him is a shitty player.

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Session Start (squintygustav:goochrepublic): Wed Nov 29 22:38:30 2006
[22:38] squintygustav: HOW TO WIN AT FINAL FANTASY GAMES
[22:38] squintygustav: (Link: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8282/ho...owinatffko3.jpg
[22:38] goochrepublic: haha where'd you find this?
[22:39] squintygustav: I made it
[22:40] squintygustav: I just used MS Paint to go over one of those "Press Button, Receive Bacon, Enjoy Bacon" images
[22:40] goochrepublic: That's pretty sweet
[22:40] goochrepublic: I like it
[22:40] goochrepublic: So true
[22:40] squintygustav: I made it to prove a point to some people who were complaining about how hard FF bosses are, in particular SEPHIROTH
[22:41] squintygustav: Which made me lol, and I jsut had to make an image to mock them
[22:41] goochrepublic: Wait... somebody thought that fight was hard?
[22:41] squintygustav: Many, many people, sadly
[22:42] goochrepublic: That is pretty sad
[22:42] squintygustav: Really though, no fightin any FF game is hard
[22:42] squintygustav: *fight in
[22:42] squintygustav: It's all just "Spam high level magic until enemy dies"
[22:42] squintygustav: Or if you are using Monks, "Punch until enemy dies"
[22:43] goochrepublic: I've thought some fights were hard on extremely rare occasions, but only due to even rarer circumstances (I forget to heal my characters and enter a fight with 1HP for like two of them)
[22:43] goochrepublic: haha
[22:43] squintygustav: Well, yeah
[22:43] squintygustav: But under optimal circumstances(Which you are always given a chance to create) pretty much every fight is a breeze
[22:44] goochrepublic: True
[22:44] squintygustav: Especially now with FFXII and the Gambits
[22:44] squintygustav: I beat a dungeon last night after falling asleep
[22:44] squintygustav: Because I had set up my Gambits so my guys would just do everything themselves
[22:46] goochrepublic: haha
[22:46] goochrepublic: Never played that one
[22:46] squintygustav: Well you don't really "Play it" heh
[22:47] goochrepublic: Probably won't, either. I unfortunately have to slave through FF7 and X every now and then because my friends are a little behind the times
[22:47] goochrepublic: "Dude that game is so sick!"
[22:47] goochrepublic: I'm like "Yeah. Beat it. Couple times. I'll be over here"
Session Close (goochrepublic): Wed Nov 29 23:41:17 2006
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Davemcc
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hahahahaha 2006. god damn.

I like how within a day you met an incredibly ridiculous demand of mine. For this, I appoint you a member of my cabinet. And give you one million dollars. Check your bank account, Phillip.

*end Morgan Freeman styled influence scandal*
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I'm thinking two things. Seph was a mixture of Jenova, Hojo and Lucrecia (Whatever her name was!). She allowed Hojo to conduct experiments on her while she was pregnant.

OR he was the son of Lucrecia and Aeries father whom Hojo decided to experiment on with Jenova cells and Mako.

I forgot which one it was.
 
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Speaking when you're not being addressed directly is not how you land a spot on the cabinet, Midnight.

*remembers the days when, as a moderator, I would edit these posts*

I'm just kidding
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I like to be an individual! *Is a rebel at heart* >;p
 
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Hojo fucked Lucretia and made a baby. Hojo then injected the still-developing fetus with Jenova cells. So Sephiroth has Hojo's brain(IE: broken), Lucretia's looks, and Jenova's power.
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Oooh... That's kinda gross since I always see Hojo as a creepy old man. Thanks for explaining. <<;
 
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Which makes it ten times clearer and less... problematic that it's usually only Sephiroth's mental projection that you see. That bugged the HELL out of me until Sephiroth's origin was explained (probably by TST for the semi-first time) to me. But yeah. You know what other game really rules ass? Dark Cloud 2. Do I already have a thread for that or just a review? Someone go look (slappy go find it for me or something). Er fuck it I'll do it myself.
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Okay, I personally liked Tales of Vesperia a lot. I played it this summer and it was pretty amazing. Just thought I'd throw that in.

I also played Crisis Core and I personally thought it was really good. The fighting was sort of simple, but it could be challenging at some points and the materia fusion and all was pretty addictive. It was one of the only games where I wanted to do pretty much everything. I liked the story a lot and thought it was a really good prequel. However, I'm not very clear on the whole wing thing. I think they took that overboard, but it was still pretty cool.

Personally, I think if they went ahead and did a FF7 remake for this generation to become addicted to, they'd have a great chance to expand and explain things a lot better. I mean with all of the Prequels and sequels they've done now, I think they'd have a lot of room to make it more clear so that there aren't as many holes and slip ups. I mean a lot of people who played FF7 when it first came out were very young, I was like ten or eleven. That's no age to understand that crap. Still a fun game, but the plot escapes you at that age. Like Sephiroth isn't actually alive at all? WTF? You wouldn't get that as a ten year old. I certainly didn't. And the fact that it was well explained didn't help. So if they remade it they could focus on making some of that stuff stand out better. Especially with the graphic capabilities they now have. Plus they'd make a bajillion dollars. It's win-win.
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Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast.

Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion.

Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.

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When I was ten I found it pretty easy to understand some of what was going on but it kinda bored me. <<

If they remake it I would play it because I'm a fan of the series but I wonder if they'd really 'out do their selves.' They tend to 'remake' stuff nowadays by adding a few cutscenes and a maybe a dugeon or two which is nothing special.

FF12 was terrible 'new' stuff.

I loved Yuri & Rita! =D
 
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I wasn't interested in FF12 int he slightest. And then I watched my cousin play it and I just became less interested. Maybe it was a bad time to watch, but the voices all seemed bored and just bad as far as voice acting goes.

But really Midnight, as far as remaking it goes, I'm not saying they need to rewrite the whole thing. Just fix things up that they maybe missed the first time. Clarify some stuff. And as far as dungeons and quests, I don't really think that's necessary, but I'm sure they have some stuff they'd like to add, I mean they apparently needed two or three more games and a movie to fill things in haha.

Then graphics wise, they can do the cutscenes a lot better as seen from Advent Chidlren. That's covered. Voices are covered, you know they will be given the voices now. And in-game action graphics... I'd be very satisfied with just like Crisis Core graphics or something slightly better, but they would likely go all out as far as that goes.

I think that they could do it rather successfully. Whether they will or not and how long and how much it will cost, I have no idea.
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Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast.

Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion.

Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.

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What I meant was I hope they can give us something WORTH playing and not a half-assed game they have been dishing out as of late. I was using FF12 as an example because they had terrible undeveloped characters (and reused character design like Laguna & Vaine or Tidus & Vaan), a poor story AND a sucky battle system.

With remakes, they tend to just add a few things and not really change anything to 'improve' the player's experience.
 
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Well what I'm saying is that they would very likely change the graphics, add voices, change the cutscenes, and likely add more of them. That's probably enough to satisfy most people right tere. If they thought they could get away with rereleasing it with the same graphics I think they'd be mistaken. But as for adding to it, I can't see why they wouldn't. They obviously have things they wish to clarify and change and add as seen evidently by the many prequels and sequels they have dished out. And they love money and whether they change a lot or not they are assured to make a ton of money haha.
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Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast.

Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion.

Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.

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A long time ago I said FFVIII was the best FF game, but it's not. Tactics is my favorite (The original not Advance)

The Suikoden games are definitely some of the best, but it's a toss up between that and Persona for me.

Dark Cloud 2 was awesome.

The Tales games are hit and miss for me much like the FF games.



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Tactics is definitely in my top three favorite FF games Dalmar. I liked Ogre Tactics as well. I'm not a huge fan of the Advanced games but they aren't bad.
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Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast.

Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion.

Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.

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