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| Holocollector | Jan 31 2007, 05:21 PM Post #1 |
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Christmas is Coming
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(Note this is just an opinion and has mispellings) And this was all by me: Charity work. I am very god at jugding. I deserve the post. But who knows. (I also think I am better than xantar XD) How to write, better. This is all I used to write. As I fond them around places. Describing the setting is a trick, and so is using psychology of the characters that can even make a long story and keep them going. Writing tricks: Litter them around the place especially In a boring part. When it is all done correctly well You have a very well down cliax. The biggest trick is the climax. Plot elements: that’s obvious small things you throw. That doesn’t not affect the plot. Plot twists: these plot twists are one of the many tricks that you pull but of course there are more. How the story changes can be characters or the overall motive. These can be sub’plots hat can turn into a plot. Sound of the language: Sounds make the sentences more easy to read if they don’t rhyme. And can give a sound quality that is subconscious to note. Change of atmosphere: Settings can benefit the situation and mood of the story. You can manipulate it to great effect. Like when with characters or a very suspicious situation will happen. Then all of all sudden a you know that this character is does something stupid. And the day has been dull. Manipulate sound: use it for a sentence you dont like or to connect it in a non rhyming quality. It will never rhyme it will just sound good. Like what fantasy writers would do. Just a well sounding sentence ,. The word I use is manipulate words, this has no rhyme he sentence just sounds better. Showy: Anything that is pretentious destroys the story. This could be that you sound too much like yourself, someone you don’t like but did unintentionally. The reader is the audience and they will get multiple images by this “showyness.” Audience: plan for multiple audiences. This makes and makes or breaks everything. The Tricks and the plot of the story Characters: characters always have to sound interesting or add to the plot somehow the subcharaters included. Theme: These can be multiple. But as you go along you will discover them. For example, technology, and magic. Try being as realistic as possible, if you overdo it your audience will not like it. Immediate plot tricks: Ones that happen out of nowhere and you show just for one specific purpose. Themes are extremely important since this allows you to develop psychologically or keep those very theme ideas. Psychological developments: Keep developing the characters right away to make them believe you. When you reach the climax that is when the maximum effect us there.. One of the most important parts, leads to character elements. Develop deep climax: that is where psychology show the impact of the climax. The characters are geared up into the finality. Develop the setting: manipulate settings to situations and to characters. Develop the characters for the most important moments trigger an event. Never make the story too complex. Keep it simple, don try to do some many things at the same time or it will lead to a plot whole. And this could be easier since you can get to the main plot and climax. Too hard a plot means more problems. Background information: You need this for any character that will Do not make any Sues (people that can defeat anyone with no effort countless with no pronlems) That is a personal tip. Background information play a major role. You need these for background information. It and can even shape the story. For example examp)le a plave no one goes a Howñing shack since it is now a plot element out of nowhere ,is a hide out for criminals,. A background story can do this. Personalities situation. He personalities can do many things and can make things moreender. predictable. The more predictable the character the better but in this situation. You can use this to your advantage. Like a red’headed character picking a fight with a bar Setting: This is the where the story takes place and is just as important as the character descriptions. It can help develop the plot. For example the beast master lives In the forest of illusions because of all the weird animals. Realistic character in believable settings. Poisonous animals In The Forest Poison. Personality: they must be interesting and not sound the same. Personalities are unique and and that’s why they must have a very different language structure. The main ones will always have background. Completely destroy the reader’s expectations, and let them know what will happen. When they reach the climax you start dropping the hint or ticks. But this strategy can be used in the beginning. A completely large plot element can reveal a even bigger plot which is what I did with beast master. Correct short sentences. If there are only two sentences write more. That means you didn’t develop the ideas or reaction. Showyness applied to phrases that have already been used or sound cliché-showy. “Like you will never win. I will save the day. I will save my town. You are a bastard crooked villain. Situations should contribute to plot or do something. That does not mean you can{t play around with the situation.You definitely can and with thier own style. That the style is a huge influence. Everyone has a different style. The parts of the story should not be ignored. That is the elements such as setting the theme. The setting theme plot character and as it was said before you can have multiple themes. The elements of the story, character, plot, resolution, and theme and personality most importantly can’t be ignored. The plot is to make and connects with all the tricks into the resolution. They interact especially with the resolution. If you have no ideas themes help you as you go along the story. And sticking to the theme is equally important as the plot. The beginning of story has 3 themes, the later 4. That’s how the impact a mian theme with many can do. It influences how the story is written. Repeating plots relevant to the story and memories are good tactics. That get the plot deep as you get writing and keep going. Change settings whenever possible if it is getting dull. For example half a page talks abut the part then go to another scenery. Hide information from the readers. A lot to make them curious as to what is going to happen. These can turn into plot twists. (so I explained another way) Keep hinting the plot throughout the piece without regard to anything else. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Rpg fan | Feb 1 2007, 09:50 AM Post #2 |
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Professor Chaos! Muahaha!
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good spelling and a decent oversight of the writing is also important... |
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| Holocollector | Feb 1 2007, 01:09 PM Post #3 |
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The ideas have more values. I bet you can attest to that. That spelling is not important. Not in my book. I wanted to delete this then just posted an old article of mine. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Slappy | Feb 1 2007, 01:22 PM Post #4 |
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New and Improved
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Wait, did you just say that spelling well is not important when you write? I'd think for a writer spelling things correctly would be a rather large concern, up in the top 5 probably. I mean you can have all the ideas and plots and settings you want but if you misspell everything nobody has a clue as to what you're talking about. I bet writers in the days before Spell Check thought spelling was important. |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Holocollector | Feb 1 2007, 06:03 PM Post #5 |
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Of course it is I just dont have the same value. Why? Because I posted this quick and I did it quickly. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Slappy | Feb 1 2007, 08:30 PM Post #6 |
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Well it's one thing to say, "I was in a hurry, I didn't really care about a few typos at the moment." And it's another thing to say, "In my book spelling is not important." |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Holocollector | Feb 2 2007, 10:31 AM Post #7 |
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Yes even you could see what I meant. But I am pretty sure they read some of what I said since I was being funny (of course they saw the mistakes but they read it). Since hostile doesnt want to give me the spot I know now that there even here there is some resistance. Just because people judge you by what you type on the internet though I have done some stupid things. And I finally got some things published. That will be my track record. And I will aim high for a competition. Then I will start writing a book but who knows on what. And the advice here is good it has some editor advice and everything that I did when I pushed myself hard. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Rpg fan | Feb 2 2007, 12:41 PM Post #8 |
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Professor Chaos! Muahaha!
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you make no sense whatsoever man...sorry. |
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| Holocollector | Feb 2 2007, 12:45 PM Post #9 |
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Yep that's ok. This turned into a rambling thread. And I am not going to try hard for it anymore. I'll just do my routine. I can prove my case but I can't post anything on the net. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Slappy | Feb 2 2007, 01:34 PM Post #10 |
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Damn it... I agree with RPG... sorry. |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Holocollector | Feb 2 2007, 02:42 PM Post #11 |
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And I diagree with you. Obvioulsy you think it is worthless even though it has spelling mistakes. The advice there is way too valuable but go ahead and ignore it. I just posted this up since I wanted to erase everything and got lazy. I'll even post the story I wanted to show. This is obvoiusly is a waste of my time, but I did actually have a reason to reply back. Because I want a mod post I won't get. You don't have any reason. And obviously since you dislike me you wanted to chip in again. Take your bad feelings somewhere else mate. |
| Note: My english writing skills need work so don´t even think of asking me to change it entirely or relearn my english (the impossible). I don´t like the signature, I willl eventually add a picture. | |
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| Slappy | Feb 2 2007, 03:30 PM Post #12 |
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I don't dislike you, or think your ideas are useless, I was simply agreeing with RPG's comment, "you make no sense whatsoever man...sorry." |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Rpg fan | Feb 2 2007, 06:31 PM Post #13 |
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Professor Chaos! Muahaha!
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look, nobody "dislikes" you. I don't and from what I can tell neither does slappy. Like I had to learn a few years back when Xantar commented on my story, you need to learn to take comments you don't like, and instead of getting angry at them, try and see beyond the anger and learn from them. Also, the "no sense" comment wasn't about your spelling. It was just that; I couldn't make any sense of that post.
See the parts in bold? Thats what I can not understand or make anything of. Its like 6 colours of strings that somehow are supposed to make up a sweater. Also, one point of comment I do have, is that you please do not call this "editors advice". Clearly you are not an editor, so the most you can say is "personal advice". You may think of me and my comments as you wish, but spelling is important. If you were to open a book and made no sense because of the grammar, and the spelling is just really bad, would you try and read through it? I certainly wouldn't. I'd toss it into the fire because I attempted to devote my time to something that the writer obviously didn't think was important enough to improve. Thats my reasoning, and thats the very reason I am extremely sceptical of my own writing. Slowly but certain I write down mini-parts of chapters in my story (no title yet), after re-reading it before adding. Yes, even if I add only 1 line on a day (which more or less is accurate), I reread what I wrote down before. What I'm trying to say is, you should be much more of a critic towards your own work. Set your priorities straight. No matter how good the story is, people will just not read through bad grammar. And besides, while you're working on it, you might as well do it right the first time, right? |
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| Holocollector | Mar 1 2007, 04:18 PM Post #14 |
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Summarize the plot as if you were giving it to someone else. This will give you a more complete idea of the story and its faults. It can give new meaning to your story if it follows the plot to the fullest. That means the beginning can have more details or hints at the plot. And that means there are more contributing parts. Classic themes. Makes these integrated for unrealistic stories. This should go hand it hand especially if your story is giving the impression it is in acid trip land. Curtail huge paragraphs for easier flow. |
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| Slappy | Mar 1 2007, 05:10 PM Post #15 |
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WHAT!? Who the hell are you talking to!? Are you just continuing your advice to what seems to be just me and RPG while ignoring what we say? |
![]() Xantar: And for your information, I didn't call on any minions. They got into this on their own, and they seem to be having a blast. Marci: Screw you too, I'm not your minion. Xantar: Also, Makokam is not my minion. Just thought I'd point that out.
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| Holocollector | Mar 1 2007, 07:19 PM Post #16 |
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I get what your both saying. These are some notes I jotted down while I write and that a lot of them just sound like me talking to myself. But there is useful advice in here. I know that I trail off and dont explain. I never ingored what you and rpgfan had to say. I forgot that part, and decided to add more. If anyone has any questions on any of my points then you can ask me. |
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