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| Holocollector | Mar 24 2008, 05:38 AM Post #1 |
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Christmas is Coming
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How Poems Work Points summary: 1-The interrelation of aspects of poems 2-Originality, freshness, voice, perspective, sound 3-poems must be meaningful, all ideas fulfilled 4-poems have some similarities with stories 5-poems and stories both should have heart 6-clichés used sparingly can help as in one or two 7-revision 8-compression and summary how it effects images, rhymes, ideas 9-recycling, is the evolution of the poem 10-author’s clichés you never see (style, ect) 11-show do not tell. Tell us more about the ideas in the poem. 12-light rhyme, light emotion 13-creative restraints -Most important points are show do not tell and compression (this expresses more ideas see compression). Read all to do justice to the points. Results: All parts that make up a poem make up the poem. Simply put one part fails all else fails. There many things that go into a good poem. A poem is described as an expression of art made up of words. That can be its very definition as we shall point out. Why is this important? Because of the way words make up images. Ever seen editors ask for imagery, especially fresh imagery? This all ties with how the poem is enjoyed along with its originality. The fresher the image, the better. The more distinctive the voice and fresher the better. Now there is a fine line with how original poems can be and imagery. You can never cross those lines. Many aspects of a poem are interrelated. Originality needs fresh imagery, needs fresh sounds, needs a fresh voice perspective. Point number two, all poems that have that which was listed before must be meaningful. Without meaning the poem can never be interesting. Now for some similarities with stories. For instance all parts a poem and story always should fit together. That means all lines must relate to one another and be of the same subject matter. All lines depend on one another. Go back to an early part of the story it will depend on that. Another point. This will be point three. The imagery, originality, and the words of the poem all tie with the meaning. If the words don’t fit the place such as the line or stanza and for lack of a better word is “wacky” then we can’t say things are still lost. Make sure all the parts of the poem fit together. Would the line or word benefit the poem if you put it somewhere else? In the end or beginning? Also remember the meaning of the poem has to do with the idea. So the overall idea of the poem. Another point. Point four. It is another similarity with stories. Both stories and poems should have heart. A poem that has no heart does not capture its audience the same way characters do not have heart in a story. You want to keep it “upbeat.” You do not want “disturbing,” “overwhelmingly sad,” “too sentimental.” You need to balance the emotions just as you have to balance too much rhyme the same way. Point five. Originality again. This time we touch on a subject that can have merit. A poem full of clichés is just the opposite of fresh imagery and words. What side of fresh, what do you mean? Fresh as in the poem can get stale not that the images can’t be used. If the clichés over flood the poem then how can it be fresh? But we have to mention that there can be well done clichés but you don’t resort to that if you can help it. The very best poems are never clichés or have them. So by that token clichés can be used, one or two in a poem. One preferably, it never hurts to put in a fresh perspective. Lets go again back to the badlands. Another point. Point six. There can be certain lines and stanzas that can disrupt the poem. This brings the next topic up. Revision. Revision is important. Next point. Since there are only so many things to take in mind you can fail. So you should and could wait 1 week. Some poems may take even months, years. Point eight. Compression. Too many words can disrupt both the flow followed by the rhyme. One bad effect is that the poem rhymes badly. The poem then is no longer fresh, the images not fresh the poem needs to be reworked. Compression helps build the idea. Did you forget a previous line that really tied with the next line and in turn could really help the poem? Then what are you doing? Make it shorter and cut out the line! It is that important. A line builds on a previous line as do the images and ideas. You want to build on the ideas, key point here. You want to refer back to the idea again. And again and again if possible. Then when you finally move to the other line you get what you meant. One of the toughest parts of poetry to master. Point nine. Recycling. I do this very often. If certain words, titles, can make the idea of the poem work (idea with meaning) then use it. Recycling can inspire ideas, you can recycle clichés, you can recycle sound even and change it accordingly. Since you should write and read often the ideas you get can come from other sources. Point ten. The clichés you never see. The sound that the poem has is unpredictable, so you never know if what you constantly use becomes a cliché. Also the voices and perspectives can become clichés because the way you expose an idea can become routine and you will never notice this often. So if you keep writing on the same ideas with the same voice perspective your work won’t be read with the same “ideas” you wanted it to. They no longer have meaning. Annoyed, the poem is lost. Point eleven. The before final point. If you got here then good. This is one of the toughest aspects of poetry. Show do not tell. Show us more (show more is more accurate). If you are talking about a war that took part in Vietnam and your father. You should do two things. You should talk more about Vietnam and the father. What about Vietnam. Up to you entirely. You should definitely talk about the memories of the father. In fact both are memories. So build on that. Do not build needless images. Point twelve, imagery. Poems full of imagery are successful. The more imagery the more successful the poem will be. No this is not a clichéd line. Think about this twice. Imagery makes you think twice about lines, brings some pick up virtual aspect, you imagine which is good. You pick it up that s good too. Point thirteen. Light rhyme, light emotion. Light rhyme is very useful for a powerful effect. The more subtle can sometimes be better. That is a good thing. Very light rhyme does not make things uninteresting. It makes the poem special when you don’t rely on laurels or conventions of other poems Point fourteen. Meter is not necessary to make a good poem (meter is the syllable number system needed in each line to make the poem rhyme better but it must be exact or very similar to the last line). It restricts the creative freedom. It takes practice but it also takes patience. So taking that in mind the more restraints the worse the poem will be. |
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| Holocollector | Mar 31 2008, 06:31 AM Post #2 |
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Christmas is Coming
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Point fifteen. Liveliness and poems that are dynamic and can be. Poems that are dynamic have lively images, make you think constantly about their lines and maybe even make you think of lines in a “light light.” That does make sense? I am using two different definitions. But haven’t you stopped and thought, that the poem needed more gusto? That it was no effervescent enough? It could be that it may have too simple lines or needed better metaphors or imagery. In that case that is what you might need for liveliness. Also it might have very light clichés thus the poem needs to be tightened. A little more can go a long way. Point sixteen. Meaning again, when all the ideas in a paragraph reflect one another they provide back support the stanza and the whole poem just like in an essay it does. So if there are too few lines with the same subject or the subject is slightly different then this can be enough to cloud and confuse the meaning. This leads to a difference in ideas that makes the poem less clear and more sluggish. The less meaning a poem has the more sluggish it will be, in terms of images, sound, ideas, and everything else. |
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| Holocollector | Apr 13 2008, 11:59 AM Post #3 |
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I forgot to point out strong rhyme. I thought I had it here. Basically it can become to distracting but you can use very little or not a lot in a single line. If you are missing a word you cant take out and cant think of a better word. For example( lovely cacophony of the sun, a sick smell of a coccon). Sounds too strong. Just need an eye to find it and you will be fine. If you need cacophony to give a feeling that you want to say that the sun is burning everything, making cacophony and cant find anything else then by all means keep it. If you can´t find a substitute for cacophony then you know you have to keep it. But dont overdo it. A poem with a lot of strong rhyme can distract and one of the draws of poetry that makes it what it is as we know it is rhyme. And yeah one more point, if a metaphor does not make sense never use it. Or if there is too much trouble to make the idea connect. It has to do with meaning again. For example I read that (people reading newspapers have masks). Sounds pointless, and I cant relate masks to reading a newspaper. Point eighteen. Meaning remember? Well this point has to do with social commentary and messages. What do we mean by social commentary. A message that shows something that is politically incorrect talks about something that you can say that shows something in a new perspective. Remember what I said about interpreting in strories? It has the same meaning here. For example, I can make a metaphor how playing with fire like ordinary fire when we were kids can translate into mortal danger and going into enemy fire. That is a something that was a ordinary phrase and that you made into Meaning (note what I said). So line after line you refer to the last stanza expanding on this idea that makes war look ordinary. This is a metaphor. Now for a poem full of commentary. I wish I could post one. This is what we will have for now. Poems with messages should make you think and say something new. You cant just write something about seasons, you have to write something that says these things. So for example: when seasons did not behave in this poem the new thing is that the poems behave and that is what makes each a season. For example in the poem below, winter has splendor in the snow but it also has nefariousness and danger. It is beautiful when it falls when then it is all misery, the animals staying in one place. If you go on, fall is the season that plays games that show greed when the leaves are held and fall because of (greed) and then fall in the fall. So you see. This poem shows you something new about seasons which is true. Anyways in the future I will post an exampple of social commentary for now see the below poem for an if you want to see a poem with interpretation and messages. When seasons did not behave The dots of snow are Collecting on the horizon, I only see them when Falling, it makes my View a haze, the view Cluttered, it makes my Eyes glaze, mixing together And falling together Only in a land that has snow Who has now made a showy Coming. And with this Comes thoughts of confusing Splendor and danger mixed with Magnificence and nefariousness. And the beasts group as one. The wind blows the snow that Showy makes a new home, And the wind thinking She is clever came From her lair, and raptures The whistle from the sky free From her shackles, the leaves Then fall free from their hefty Entanglements. I look at a game of greed. Their smell flourishes, and Since they are strong They seem to spin round and round Given that they are always round, So when the wind blows them away Away go the petals free to go To any place they’d want to go. Lands taken by shear force and good-natured misadventures, the land Overcome by their strength and Numbers, their happiness at large. The sun filled afterglow hits Fast like lightning, lighting Up late in the night Leaving everything in Darkness in sight, Until the winter and fall Turn of the lights and make Night early. Days full of Energy that never seem to end Until the lights start to flicker. The seasons appear, where Each willingly behave in unique ways. |
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| Holocollector | Apr 15 2008, 11:29 AM Post #4 |
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Guys posted the poem. And if you read it I MIGHT even read a story. XD
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