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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 7 2011, 10:38 PM Post #1 |
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The purpose of this thread is simple. To provide a place for nations to catch up on rmb chatter from when they were gone. I will be posting the conversation from the rmb every night before I go to bed. Or at least I will try my best. If you as a nation are willing to help then I cannot refuse! All you have to do is copy and paste. |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 7 2011, 10:39 PM Post #2 |
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From 2/5/11-2/6/11 The Dominion of Undying Revolution: We vote for the CJP. The People's Republic of Timpetotia: Hail CJP! The People's Republic of Timpetotia: And a tip to you CJP, The Factbook where i have my commissars, you cannot have alot of text there. What i have there is almost all that you can have. I became a bit angry when i noticed, but you will work something out. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: S.S.S. As far as I can tell we are nearing the end(?)(7:30pmToronto Canada time) of day 24 of The People's Republic of Timpetotia's rule. We have 4 active rmb votes for The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries and no one has messaged me or endorsed me at all in resistance to this un-expected election or the running of 1 candidate (against myself as "just an option"). I will wait out the remaining hours of day 24 hanging around the region...(well untill midnight over here anyway) just to make sure there are no objections to the (seemingly absent?!?) election results of 4-0 I am a little disappointed at the regional particapation in our most recent democratic election and I hope the comrades will take that as a critisism to discapline. To be a revolutionary region we must BE A REVOLUTIONARY REGION this involves taking part in regional elections and understanding that what happens here...and who directs it is much more than a popularity contest like other regions....we MUST elect our leadership on the grounds of the most capable and respected comrade in the SSS. I hope to see all nations endorse our new delagate at the time of their election on day 25....any less is a division from democratic centralism the most basic tenent of our region....we all speak...we all vote...we all support the outcome. This is democratic centralism and all nations who do not follow are subject to expulshion....please respect this. Founder The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: The Revolutionary Labor Republic of Vietdien ceased to exist.!!! The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: yeah Tipetotia the factbook is really short...I dont think I can change that...though I swear I've seen it larger in other regions. The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries: The day is almost arrived! I am entirely grateful for the outpouring of support! Remember, if you want to apply for the politburo there is an application and further descriptions on my campaign thread. I can't remember the exact url (the only bad thing about using tinyurl) so just search my posts! The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: With election results of 4-0 Democracy finds The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries as our new leader of regional government Please endorse The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries Comrade The People's Republic of Timpetotia Thank you for your half term in office, a wonderful duty to your region.....We are very lucky to have you and I hope you will stay with us to build a better S.S.S. over the next W.A.'s rule The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: CJP is this what you need? viewtopic.php?f=23&t=93776 The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries: Perfect that's the one! Thank you everybody! Today is a glorious day for the SSS but lest us not forget the tremendous, albeit unfortunately short, leadership of comrade The People's Republic of Timpetotia! Apply today for the Politburo! We have filled the Minister of the Socialist Reality post! Apply for the others! As soon as I'm fully recognized as WA Delegate I will instantly begin revamping the region! |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 7 2011, 10:40 PM Post #3 |
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From 2/6/11: A day of much activity The Cnofederacy of Joint Phalansteries:Update on changes: -I have sent The Colony of Emigrant Phalansteries to the New Union of Socialist Nations to deliver the ultimatum discussed in my campaign platform. -I have changed the factbook entry. Please discuss whether your approve or not. Also don't hesitate to apply for a ministerial position! All the information can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=93776 -Please pay special notice to the links I've provided in the factbook! Get right on with the constitutional framing! Or help out with the rmb backlogging! There's so much to be done. On another note I would like to make my list of recommendations for the ministerial positions (note these are in no way official): Minister of (Re)Education: The United Socialist States of Marxist-Feminists Minister of Diplomatic Initiatives: The Dominion of Undying Revolution Minister of Simulations: The People's Republic of Timpetotia Minister of the Socialist Reality: ALREADY FILLED Minister of Ongoing Security: The Wavy Flag Ninja of Power and Stability These suggestions on non-binding. If you were named but want a position apply anyways! My mind is ever-open! The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: Long Live our new High Minister of the S.S.S. The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries! May your 50 days change the world of Nationstates!! The People's Republic of Timpetotia: I would love to be minister of simulations. Congratulations on your victory CJP The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: Timptetotia you have to go look at the NUSN rmb.lol The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State: I give up on the re-education of the NUSN....its hopless...they're stubborn and think they know better than the worlds 55 communist and socialist parties....bunch of stubborn kids influanced by western propaganda and blind to look at the other side of the coin...the one they "claim" thiers....wolves in sheeps clothing these reactionary individuals are very dangerous there has never been a social democrat party that has not betrayed the working class....where do you see free education and healthcare? How about transportation and power (electricity) Canada's NDP U.S. Democrats they are all traitors to the working class They create division among us and complicate our goals I ,personaly am happy this alliance has been abolished The Dominion of Undying Revolution: We will take the Minister of Diplomatic Initiatives spot! We hereby designate Hebert Lucent from our country to officially hold the position! We condemn the NUSN with all our might! Soon enough they will realize the negligence of their actions. Long live the SSS! Long live the High Minister Fourier! The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries: From the desk of High Minister Fourier Greetings brethren! On this first day of my reign much has begun to occur. We have shed a repugnant, bourgeois-friendly ally that has been weighing down the ethos and luster of our nation while still managing to plant a seed of true socialism there. Hopefully from this tiniest of seeds the great revolution can burst forth! On another note, I am still looking for true, active member-nations to join my esteemed politburo. Minister Lucent, your first job is to come up with three different templates for recruitment: one for new nations, one for WA nations, and one for refounded nations. If you have further ideas go for it! Minister J, I do not have a particular job for you at the moment but be on standby just in case. I may need to call on you to fulfill part of the responsibilities prescribed to the Minister of Ongoing Security until such a time as we have someone to hold that position. I laud your preemptive move to lock down the region in this time of raised terrorist (as NUSN has become by drastically increasing their hostility towards our region) alertness. My fraternal regards to all of you, High Minister Fourier |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 7 2011, 10:41 PM Post #4 |
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Problems with the New Union of Socialist nations regional alliance can be further understood through this artical Reformism—or socialism? There are two kinds of reformism. One has no intention of bringing about revolutionary change – indeed it may use reforms to oppose such change. The other kind cherishes the mistaken belief that successful reforms will somehow prepare the ground for revolution. Reforms are seen as necessary first steps on the long road to eventual revolution. Reformism has some attractions over revolution – especially if you lack imagination, don't like confrontation. prefer to think only in the short term, and don't want to be accused of not living in the real world. You are also assured of being in good company because large numbers of people think (or fail to think) as you do. Reformism is a most excellent strategy if you want only small changes in society, and are satisfied with what you get (which is usually substantially less than what you were promised). However, reformism is futile for two other groups of people: those who expect that capitalism can be reformed to operate in the interests of the majority, and those who believe that a programme of reforms will “win the workers for the revolution” and hence make a contribution to the achievement of socialism. The idea that capitalism can be humanised and changed by a series of reforms is almost as old as the capitalist system itself. But reforms are implemented by political parties that seek and get a mandate to run capitalism. The motives for reforms may include anxiety to relieve suffering and keenness to promote well-being, but the measures have the effect of serving the system rather than meeting the needs of individuals or groups. Examples of reforms serving capitalism over the last two centuries are not hard to find. The Poor Law of 1834 was a response to mass destitution as peasants were driven off the land – crime and the poor health of workers were expensive to the ruling class (incidentally, minimal “relief” pacified workers by removing their pauper status). The post-1945 Welfare State introduced measures of health and social security intended to raise workers' efficiency and thus make them more productive of profit for the capitalist class – poverty was re-organised, not abolished. The role of hegemony – a powerful combination of ruling ideas filtered through conventional education, the mass media, and a culture of consumption – is important in understanding how reformism, like all policies designed to sustain capitalism, is actually carried out by members of the working class (the roughly 98 percent of the population who are not capitalists). Concerned as they are to maintain the profit system, they persuade themselves to do what is best for “the economy”. Furthermore, one person's advocated reform is sometimes another person's preferred status quo. To Old Labour, nationalisation was a reform; to New Labour, at least some privatisations are a reform. American Socialist Party |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 10 2011, 01:07 AM Post #5 |
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What are your views on religion? Do you think that religion has a place in a socialist society? Are you religious? I believe strongly in free religion and are a gentile. The People's Republic of Timpetotia 6 hours ago Gentile was a bad choise of word. Maybe a noahide or Ger Toshav The People's Republic of Timpetotia 6 hours ago Ger toshav was a very bad word too.... Noachide will do for now :> The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 6 hours ago Religion is a personal choice...its very foggy in the past socialist governments some abolishing it completely(Albania/parts of east europe) some embracing it(Most of the south American Revolutions/Cuba. Marx's theory of "Dialectical Materialism" runs counter to religion for it states everything is only matter in motion. Evolution and revolution is how Marx interpreted the world and by using the methods of Dialectical materialism we can actually see how the world developed. Marx and Engels were big fans of Charles Darwin for Darwin believe something very similiar if not the same. Me....Personally...I think its silly anyone can follow 2000 year old books over science and facts....but like I said...free religion....Its a choice. I do know some religious comrades in the movement and its not a problem....as long as they embrace progressive policy towards humanity....Abortion for example is in the intrests of womens rights and equality of the sexes.....some religious comrades may have a problem with this and other small issues. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 6 hours ago Patriarchy (the rule of men over women) is also very common in most religions so thats also incompatable with socialism. But it would be a lie to say "all socialists are Athiests" because thats simply not true. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 6 hours ago "Noachide" I tried to look it up comrade but I cant find anything...could you explain? The People's Republic of Timpetotia 5 hours ago Noachide is a monotheistic jewish ideology that is based around the seven laws of Noah and the Jewish g-d. It is kinda complex, but the big difference between noachide is that you do not have to convert or be Jewish, and where Jews have 613 commandments, noachides only have 7. And noachides shouldn't celebrate Jewish holidays the same ways of Jews, because Jewish holidays are meant for... Jews! However I am looking for facts about this because what holidays are a noachide supposed to celebrate them? http://www.noachide.org.uk/ is a really good site. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 5 hours ago Right on! Cheers...its a sad day when you dont learn something new. ![]() The People's Republic of Timpetotia 5 hours ago Ha yeah it is ![]() The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries Seconds ago I'm glad this topic has come to light seeing as how it very strongly affects me, however I've been somewhat hesitant to bring it up. My father is a Baptist preacher and I hold quite devoutly to Christianity. I will make my beliefs clear to anyone who asks but I will never go as far as to consciously push them onto another. I believe that the negative stigma associated with modern religion is the radical aspect to it. Fringe groups like Al-Qaeda have turned religion to an innately offhand subject. I strongly disagree with people like Nietzsche and Voltaire who argue religion is dead and solely a form of manipulation for the masses. Religion is as tangible and legitimate as you allow it to be in your life. I don't think that there is any reason to forbid religion in a socialist environment so long as the populace realize the legitimacy of it as a personal conviction and prevent fundamentalist fringe groups from achieving their inherent goal of discord. They're called terrorists for a reason. |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 10 2011, 11:37 PM Post #6 |
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The Federal Republic of Socialist Ontario 19 hours ago The United Socialist States of The west world union I see you have finaly got the W.A. thing figured out. I think if you ever look to the rmb's or forums you'll find nationstates has more to offer than just answering issues My party the Communist party of Canada (www.communist-party.ca) ((see this nations flag ^ )) doesnt want to have any effect on religion if if came to power. Most modern socialist/communist parties are pretty neutral on religion. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 16 hours ago Lenin was anti-religion....please dont take offence comrades ....Like I said its a poor day when we dont learn something new.....and religion is a personal choice Socialism and Religion By V.I.Lenin 1905 Present-day society is wholly based on the exploitation of the vast masses of the working class by a tiny minority of the population, the class of the landowners and that of the capitalists. It is a slave society, since the “free” workers, who all their life work for the capitalists, are “entitled” only to such means of subsistence as are essential for the maintenance of slaves who produce profit, for the safeguarding and perpetuation of capitalist slavery. The economic oppression of the workers inevitably calls forth and engenders every kind of political oppression and social humiliation, the coarsening and darkening of the spiritual and moral life of the masses. The workers may secure a greater or lesser degree of political liberty to fight for their economic emancipation, but no amount of liberty will rid them of poverty, unemployment, and oppression until the power of capital is overthrown. Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. Impotence of the exploited classes in their struggle against the exploiters just as inevitably gives rise to the belief in a better life after death as impotence of the savage in his battle with nature gives rise to belief in gods, devils, miracles, and the like. Those who toil and live in want all their lives are taught by religion to be submissive and patient while here on earth, and to take comfort in the hope of a heavenly reward. But those who live by the labour of others are taught by religion to practise charity while on earth, thus offering them a very cheap way of justifying their entire existence as exploiters and selling them at a moderate price tickets to well-being in heaven. Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man. But a slave who has become conscious of his slavery and has risen to struggle for his emancipation has already half ceased to be a slave. The modern class-conscious worker, reared by large-scale factory industry and enlightened by urban life, contemptuously casts aside religious prejudices, leaves heaven to the priests and bourgeois bigots, and tries to win a better life for himself here on earth. The proletariat of today takes the side of socialism, which enlists science in the battle against the fog of religion, and frees the workers from their belief in life after death by welding them together to fight in the present for a better life on earth. Religion must be declared a private affair. In these words socialists usually express their attitude towards religion. But the meaning of these words should be accurately defined to prevent any misunderstanding. We demand that religion be held a private affair so far as the state is concerned. But by no means can we consider religion a private affair so far as our Party is concerned. Religion must be of no concern to the state, and religious societies must have no connection with governmental authority. Everyone must be absolutely free to profess any religion he pleases, or no religion whatever, i.e., to be an atheist, which every socialist is, as a rule. Discrimination among citizens on account of their religious convictions is wholly intolerable. Even the bare mention of a citizen’s religion in official documents should unquestionably be eliminated. No subsidies should be granted to the established church nor state allowances made to ecclesiastical and religious societies. These should become absolutely free associations of like-minded citizens, associations independent of the state. Only the complete fulfilment of these demands can put an end to the shameful and accursed past when the church lived in feudal dependence on the state, and Russian citizens lived in feudal dependence on the established church, when medieval, inquisitorial laws (to this day remaining in our criminal codes and on our statute-books) were in existence and were applied, persecuting men for their belief or disbelief, violating men’s consciences, and linking cosy government jobs and government-derived incomes with the dispensation of this or that dope by the established church. Complete separation of Church and State is what the socialist proletariat demands of the modern state and the modern church. The Russian revolution must put this demand into effect as a necessary component of political freedom. In this respect, the Russian revolution is in a particularly favourable position, since the revolting officialism of the police-ridden feudal autocracy has called forth discontent, unrest and indignation even among the clergy. However abject, however ignorant Russian Orthodox clergymen may have been, even they have now been awakened by the thunder of the downfall of the old, medieval order in Russia. Even they are joining in the demand for freedom, are protesting against bureaucratic practices and officialism, against the spying for the police imposed on the “servants of God”. We socialists must lend this movement our support, carrying the demands of honest and sincere members of the clergy to their conclusion, making them stick to their words about freedom, demanding that they should resolutely break all ties between religion and the police. Either you are sincere, in which case you must stand for the complete separation of Church and State and of School and Church, for religion to be declared wholly and absolutely a private affair. Or you do not accept these consistent demands for freedom, in which case you evidently are still held captive by the traditions of the inquisition, in which case you evidently still cling to your cosy government jobs and government-derived incomes, in which case you evidently do not believe in the spiritual power of your weapon and continue to take bribes from the state. And in that case the class-conscious workers of all Russia declare merciless war on you. So far as the party of the socialist proletariat is concerned, religion is not a private affair. Our Party is an association of class-conscious, advanced fighters for the emancipation of the working class. Such an association cannot and must not be indifferent to lack of class-consciousness, ignorance or obscurantism in the shape of religious beliefs. We demand complete disestablishment of the Church so as to be able to combat the religious fog with purely ideo logical and solely ideological weapons, by means of our press and by word of mouth. But we founded our association, the Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party, precisely for such a struggle against every religious bamboozling of the workers. And to us the ideological struggle is not a private affair, but the affair of the whole Party, of the whole proletariat. If that is so, why do we not declare in our Programme that we are atheists? Why do we not forbid Christians and other believers in God to join our Party? The answer to this question will serve to explain the very important difference in the way the question of religion is presented by the bourgeois democrats and the Social-Democrats. Our Programme is based entirely on the scientific, and moreover the materialist, world-outlook. An explanation of our Programme, therefore, necessarily includes an explanation of the true historical and economic roots of the religious fog. Our propaganda necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism; the publication of the appropriate scientific literature, which the autocratic feudal government has hitherto strictly forbidden and persecuted, must now form one of the fields of our Party work. We shall now probably have to follow the advice Engels once gave to the German Socialists: to translate and widely disseminate the literature of the eighteenth-century French Enlighteners and atheists.[1] But under no circumstances ought we to fall into the error of posing the religious question in an abstract, idealistic fashion, as an “intellectual” question unconnected with the class struggle, as is not infrequently done by the radical-democrats from among the bourgeoisie. It would be stupid to think that, in a society based on the endless oppression and coarsening of the worker masses, religious prejudices could be dispelled by purely propaganda methods. It would be bourgeois narrow-mindedness to forget that the yoke of religion that weighs upon mankind is merely a product and reflection of the economic yoke within society. No number of pamphlets and no amount of preaching can enlighten the proletariat, if it is not enlightened by its own struggle against the dark forces of capitalism. Unity in this really revolutionary struggle of the oppressed class for the creation of a paradise on earth is more important to us than unity of proletarian opinion on paradise in heaven. That is the reason why we do not and should not set forth our atheism in our Programme; that is why we do not and should not prohibit proletarians who still retain vestiges of their old prejudices from associating themselves with our Party. We shall always preach the scientific world-outlook, and it is essential for us to combat the inconsistency of various “Christians”. But that does not mean in the least that the religious question ought to be advanced to first place, where it does not belong at all; nor does it mean that we should allow the forces of the really revolutionary economic and political struggle to be split up on account of third-rate opinions or senseless ideas, rapidly losing all political importance, rapidly being swept out as rubbish by the very course of economic development. Everywhere the reactionary bourgeoisie has concerned itself, and is now beginning to concern itself in Russia, with the fomenting of religious strife—in order thereby to divert the attention of the masses from the really important and fundamental economic and political problems, now being solved in practice by the all-Russian proletariat uniting in revolutionary struggle. This reactionary policy of splitting up the proletarian forces, which today manifests itself mainly in Black-Hundred pogroms, may tomorrow conceive some more subtle forms. We, at any rate, shall oppose it by calmly, consistently and patiently preaching proletarian solidarity and the scientific world-outlook—a preaching alien to any stirring up of secondary differences. The revolutionary proletariat will succeed in making religion a really private affair, so far as the state is concerned. And in this political system, cleansed of medieval mildew, the proletariat will wage a broad and open struggle for the elimination of economic slavery, the true source of the religious humbugging of mankind. ------------------------------------------------ The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 16 hours ago Sorry if thats too long in short the point is.... "Religion must be declared a private affair. In these words socialists usually express their attitude towards religion. But the meaning of these words should be accurately defined to prevent any misunderstanding. We demand that religion be held a private affair so far as the state is concerned. But by no means can we consider religion a private affair so far as our Party is concerned. Religion must be of no concern to the state, and religious societies must have no connection with governmental authority. Everyone must be absolutely free to profess any religion he pleases, or no religion whatever, i.e., to be an atheist, which every socialist is, as a rule."-V.I.Lenin...from the above note The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 5 hours ago New comrades welcome to the S.S.S. the only socialist region in nationstates to be run by actual socialists/communists Sticking to actual theory of the modern parties shows us how to proceed in actually bringing socialism to the masses in our real life home countries, the S.S.S. is no differnt. I post many articals from the worlds communist/socialist parties and we discuss how relavent those issues are in our own real life nations. From LGBT rights and the womens movement to anti-racism and anti-war this region is for revolutionary socialist policy The Wavy Flag Ninja of Power and Stability 72 minutes ago Dammit, I want a cool badge!!!! D:< |
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| Joint Phalansteries | Feb 13 2011, 03:09 PM Post #7 |
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How Do you know egypt will turn socialist? The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 1 day, 15 hours ago Congrats on being the most cultured in the region Timpetotia, I dont know that for sure....I dont even think its likey but I do know that they have said "enoughf" with an American puppet directing Egypt. Thats a good start. I worry about the military in controll but the people seem to trust them so....I suppose I should too. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 20 hours ago 18 hours and I have to be the first one to write here today? Where the hell are all you guys/girls? Why do I feel like the rmb is a place for me to talk to myself.lol............. The Armed Republic of PeoplesRevolutionaries 18 hours ago We have Fourier, and Rosseau in the region...all were missing is Owen and Kant? I have a feeling you should change my last name to "Marx" so there is at least 1 revolutionary socialist philosopher among us. (lol half joking)The People's Republic of Timpetotia 13 hours ago Oy! Viva che! The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 13 hours ago ^ "like" The Most Serene Republic of TheCommunistJade 10 hours ago Very happy to see Mubarak step down from power. The Marxist-Leninist Vanguard of The_Proletarian_State 9 hours ago Me too Jade...I think the whole world is....30 years is too long for a people to suffer without democracy in a police state....funded by the Western imperialists.....I only hope they will open the border with Gaza...the worlds largest concentration camp The People's Republic of Timpetotia 6 hours ago ^Cuba, soviet, fork etc :o The Confederacy of Joint Phalansteries 9 minutes ago The High Minister would smile upon further discussion on the constitutional forum. |
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