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I have found Narnia...I need help
Topic Started: Jun 5 2008, 11:06 AM (310 Views)
Tanis
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Hey everyone sorry I haven't been around recently but life is very hectic and not always in a good way at the moment.

Anyhow here is a note I posted on Facebook and for some reason decided to post here to.

All my life there have been a few steadfast beliefs that I have held dear to my heart and never compromised on. Darwin is always right, mashed potatoes are the greatest food ever created, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is one of the greatest set blows to progress this country has ever had dealt to it, and C.S. Lewis and Tolkien are talentless hacks who are considered to be good because of propaganda spun by the university they worked for all those years ago trying not to be embarrassed by the fact that they hired those two illiterates.

Let me get one thing straight right now re-telling the Greatest Story Ever told but adding talking animals does not make you a good writer nor your story the greatest story ever told by extension.
Also I know in high school, college and university if you handed in a creative writing assignment where you talked about the same grass again and again in the exact same manner you would not be hailed as a literary genius you would lose marks and probably get a redo. Something the Lord of the Rings books desperately needs, a redo or at least a good editor…

When I first went to see the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe movie and watched Mary Magdalen (Suzanne) and the mother Mary (Lucy) crying at Jesus’ (Aslan’s) tomb (stone table) I was fidgety. Then when they were about to leave they stopped and checked the tomb again and Jesus had escaped and been reborn, and they had the sun set in such a way to give you that “this is Jesus” feel I had to be physically restrained from running out of the theatre screaming while clawing at my eyes and ears. (It was the family holiday movie and I was in the middle of my row.)
Also when they had Jesus murder Lucipher in cold blood I wanted to burst into tears cause my brain was screaming, “They had Jesus murder the devil in cold blood!”

Don’t get me wrong I am not Christian though I have read the bible so I wasn’t offended on a religious level. The whole thing just made my brain scream in agony and want to haemorrhage itself to gain some form of freedom.

Something happened though with the beginning of the advertisement campaign for the release of Prince Caspian in the theatres. I found myself drawn towards the movie…
Sure in the beginning it was easy to just blame Ben Barnes cause he makes a very handsome Prince Caspian, who is easy on the eyes and has some of the most intense expressive eyes I have seen on an actor. There was this little nagging voice in the back of my head that was shin kicking my brain while saying, “There is more to this than that” over and over again.

My desire to see Prince Caspian spread to be a desire to see the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe again. Which you have to understand made me very uneasy…
That’s like someone saying they want to expose themselves to the black plague a second time after narrowly avoiding death the first time.

So I watched it and found myself loving it, for some reason my brain just filtered out all the Christianity references. Then I watched it again, then again.
I saw Prince Caspian in the theatre and have watched it several times since; actually right now it is playing in the background as I write this.

I now own Narnia art books, and movie guides, I have chosen Narnia as the theme for the costumes at next years Anime North. Though I will not be going as Caspian but Peter, which boggles my mind in general.
I even bought the complete Chronicles book originally to get Darren to read more but now it is tempting me to power read it.

Yes that is right I am going to power read all the Narnia novels. If you re-read or remember the above paragraphs you see why I am confused and worried about my mental health.

Not only that but there are certain scenes from the movies that make me tear up which hasn’t happened since I was like 9 watching the movie Beaches.
The oddest part about this is the fact that they are not sad scenes, nor are they exceptionally happy scenes. Allow me to describe them:

From the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe:
- the scene at the end of the movie where the four children are being coroneted from the moment Aslan starts presenting them till the crowd says “Long live Queen Lucy!”

From Prince Caspian:
-when everyone arrives at Aslan’s How for the first time and the centaurs all line up, draw their swords. I don’t start to tear until everyone stops and then the four kids start walking forward.
-when the trees have shown up as back-up at the final battle there is a brief moment of pause. Peter than raises his sword declares “For Aslan!” which everyone echoes and then charge forward.

The oddest part of the fact that I am affected by the second scene I described from Caspian is that before hand is an awesome action sequence and afterwards is more action. So there should be no real reason my adrenaline drops for that 15 seconds then re-spikes.

I know this may not seem like a big deal for you but this is a huge and rather sudden personality shift for me. Makes me worried because while I have had personality shifts before and sometimes enlightenment and a new understanding comes straight out of the blue before. This is so far from my coreself and base behaviour of many years I am worried that it is either the sign that something has gone horribly wrong in my brain or I am bout to change drastically as a person.
Both concepts frighten me very much as they are both very unnerving in their own right.

So I am looking for understanding and want your help. Thoughts, insights, opinions and questions are all appreciated…
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when i watched the first narnia, i filtered the christianity stuff out because i knew that would ruin the film for me. and by the looks of what you wrote, i'm glad i did; otherwise, i would have walked out of the theatre too in disgust.
since i did filter the stuff, i really did enjoy the first one. in fact, whenever it's on, i manage to just sit there and watch; it's like some sort of hypnosis. the film has a strange hook on me.
as for the changes you're going through, i don't know what to say about it. i do want you to know that i did read all of your post. didn't want you to think i skimmed it or anything.
i remember my mythology professor sharing something similar to what you were talking about though. this surge of emotion when watching something. it's almost the same exact feeling. i could later go find my notes on it, and post more on it. he has a doctorate in mythology, so he's pretty smart imo.
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that would be helpful actually :)

Well whatever change occured or is occuring is sub-conscious which is very scary if you realize it is happening.

I know I may sound crazy but I am not, normally if something about me changes (and we are all changing all the time) I can track it down see what the who,what,where,when,why, how are. This time I am a bit freaked out cause I can't find that and the shift is very large.
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any sort of change can be a huge experience no matter how small the change is. although it is undeniable that the larger the change the larger the understanding of that change has to be in order for the person to be comfortable with that change.

i can definitely understand that something this big is unnerving and hard to wrap your mind around.

although i can't say that i know what you're going through (because i definitely don't know the complexity of it all on your end) i can say that i'll try and help.

and try and keep and open mind about this too. even though this may be strange and awkward at the moment. It may be something you need, although of course, there may not be reason to it all.

I'm sorry if what I've said has made you feel worse rather than better. Just know we're here for whatever you need. Just keep looking and maybe you'll be able to find the who,what,where,when,why, and hows.

here's definitely something that should make you feel better :hug :glomp :hlomp
.... hopefully it helps anyways, lol

Make sure you give us updates on how you are with this, that way if you still need help, we can still be here to help.

:hug
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there's so much i have to sift through, but i did find something he talked about.. there's catharsis. more on that to come
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Well here is the scene that I cry at not happy, not sad tears just tears almost everytime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBcndFWZvUA
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that's definitely a powerful moment in the movie.

and i think after re-watching that scene, i can maybe understand what you're saying. it's not necessarily about happy or sad, just more like... the pure power of the moment. It's the emotional pull that the movie can create.

This is an extremely high point in the movie. I mean this is IT, the moment they are truly realized as the leaders of Narnia. The music was beautifully written and only helps to exemplify that sense of awe and pull towards that scene.
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1 i read tanis whole post :yell >>
2 tanis i was with u until u started to agree with the movie

i personally think the movie is ok but the whole Christianity of it all killed it. i couldnt even focus on the movie when i first saw it .... i think i fell asleep lol yea i did..... the second time i watched it and wished i could have that hour and watever mins back. most likely now that i remember about it i will see it again >> its like a fucking car wreck :argh i know i should stop but jus cant
didnt want to kill the whole 'mood' u three had going but that my view on the movie, jus had to put my 2 cents in


now onto tanis reaction to the movie/books/ect
change is always scary especially if its in ur head, jus let it sink in, let it fester for awhile, look back and recollect ur thoughts and sort ur beliefs out with wat u just let in


btw, we have the same first two steadfast beliefs
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I dislike Christianity very much, and I still dislike all the Christian references but now for some reason I have blinders on and when I watch the movie and some Christian reference appears my brain goes "look at the pretty light and sound....ok religious stuff gone let's jump back deep into the movie"
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yeah, i know that's how a lot of people are.

and even with me. i know that there is Christian references in the movie, but I don't pay attention to em. There's no point. A movie like that is supposed to be for enjoyment, so why should I bother with the other stuff?

I don't know, that's just me though.

Out of curiosity, may I ask why you dislike Christianity? I'm just curious on your views is all. And if you don't want to say anything, that's cool too.
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Well first off I am wiccan-ish and give my faith to a rather unknown low key deity.

But I read the Bible from cover to cover digested it, took my understanding of it (I wan young at the time) to talk to a piest, was banned from church cause of the questions I asked. So I wrote it off.

Also the Church actively ensures, sows and harbors ignorance, and anything that does that fills me with rage. Which is why I shake my fist at any Grand Theft Auto game advertisement or ocnversation.

Now let me clarify something, I am not against "Jesus" most of my beef rests with his fanclub (the church).
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yeah, i can completely understand that

Christians wonder why everyone dislikes them so much, yet some of them can't see that what they're "doing for God" actually goes against everything He's said.
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they wonder becuz they rely on a book that was/has been/and will always be mistranslated, rewritten, misspelled, misused, misinterpreted i dont know how many times since it compilation :yell










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Jun 6 2008, 08:18 PM
a book that was/has been/and will always be mistranslated, rewritten, misspelled, misused, misinterpreted i dont know how many times since it compilation

and that's exactly why i'd like to be able to learn the original language that way i can read the original text.

i honestly can say that i don't really know much about the bible. and i'm not very worried too. yes, i plan on finishing it and reading it in its entirety, but i live on much more than that.
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it's the greatest story ever told :shy
zeitgeist reference :yell go watch zeitgeist
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hai sensei!


EDIT:

it is fucking shit like this that pisses me off! i'm so .... ARGH! i can't say anything about how bad it is because of how freaking retarded it is and how fucking mad i am

http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2008/06/expl...ericas-new.html!
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