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What are your opinions on Topfreedom?; WARNING: Sensitive material may be Involved
Topic Started: May 2 2014, 12:51 AM (653 Views)
Hatsune Candy
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If you are not comfortable talking about women's breasts or cannot talk about it in a mature manner, then I suggest you turn away from this topic now.





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Topfreedom is a cultural and political movement seeking to advance gender equality by the recognition of the right of women and girls to be topless in public on the same basis that men and boys are permitted to be barechested. In addition, topfreedom advocates seek recognition of the right of nursing mothers to openly breastfeed in public, and of women to sun bathe topless.

I saw this discussion on another forum and I'm just curious, do you guys agree this ideal or just find it appalling?

Personally, I see a lot problems with it.
Edited by Hatsune Candy, May 2 2014, 12:51 AM.
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Well, the fact men's nipples are not lewd like a woman's nipples is a double standard and doesn't make any sense.

I just hope this extends to areas you expect men to be barechested rather than go crazy and topless at random places.
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Don Jentleman
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It would be nice to get rid of America's nonsensical "fear" of the woman breast, but it's going to be very hard to get something like this to work, if not impossible. Baby steps would probably be the best option, starting with the breast feeding, and working our way up.
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Wool
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Female or not, I'd prefer for people to stay with their shirts on unless they're at a beach or somewhere that would make sense. >_>

Breastfeeding is totally fine, though.
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NakaTeleeli
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As has been mentioned to a degree, the big issue is culture. Often times people think passing a law will make something okay, but especially here in the states people just think of breasts as a very sexual, private thing. We're a very reserved nation in that regard. Heck, look at the amount of violence we can show on daytime TV, but a sideboob? Golly no! Think of the children!

If we can move our culture overall towards accepting it the movement will have a lot more success. Baby steps. I think breastfeeding is probably a healthy first step. It certainly doesn't help that of course most men will support the idea because "I get to see boobies! Yeah!" and that sentiment is half the reason we DON'T do it right now. As a note specifically to them, this doesn't mean supermodels will be walking topless down the street like a catwalk. This means everybody, attractive and not, will be able to. The movement isn't about pushing sexuality to the front and pandering to male fantasy; it's about body positivity, body confidence, and removing that sexualization.

Okay, cultural issues aside, I'd be all for it. Personally, as a male I don't like taking my shirt off, but if a woman wants to, more power to her, let her do what she wants. So long as we can make sure it's in an environment that's supportive of that decision and the person behind that decision.
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Naku Nyame
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I feel that this freedom should be allowed entirely, being trans I honestly have gotten to the point where breasts don't even arouse me one bit. I could literally look at a whole page full of them and not be aroused.

This is an interesting discussion when you think about it though, In modern culture women's bodies are pretty much seen as sexual objects. Back in older culture people ddin't care about censoring it. They showed it off as more as something pure. Game Theory actually brought this interesting topic up. although at the beginning they were censoring everything but in the end they say we shouldn't need to worry about that. Although I personally would like to see true equality it wouldn't be as exciting and people don't see a "Use" to it so that may be why it hasn't really picked up steam at all.
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JBRam
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Right now, American culture is such that a woman can hardly walk down the street in normal attire without fear for being sexualized or worse. Part of that is because we somewhat force women to live in a world where their bodies appear to be their greatest asset. Women end up having major body issues due to advertisement, Hollywood, and other cultural drivers.

As others have stated, I personally hate not having a shirt on around others, partially because I am of the chunky body type. To be honest, though, I pretty much hate it when anyone is walking around without a shirt on, man or woman. Not even a big fan of it at pools/beaches, but I don't really hate it as much then. I think we should just not allow people in general to walk around on the streetside topless. But [/unpopularopinion]

Basically, the thing that gets me is the double standard. We should have a single standard for both. Either allow or disallow it for both, but pick one.
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Hatsune Candy
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Okay, first off, the idea is not that women should have the right to go shirtless anywhere, but that they should have the right to do so in the same places that men do.
But with that being said there are some problems. My issue with it is similar to what Naka already said, but I'd like to go more in depth on it.

Annd since I'm incredibly lazy, I'll just post some things from a debate I had on the other forum I mentioned.
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Shane the Corrupted
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My stance is pretty much the same as Naka's. Removing women's breasts from being associated with sexuality is going to be near impossible, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to go topless if that is their wish. Besides, just because this passes doesn't mean that every female in the neighbourhood is going to start walking around topless.

Starting with breast feeding would be the way to go, I feel. If they want to push it further than that they may do so afterwards but I feel that should've been allowed in the first place.
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NakaTeleeli
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Naka the Honeywhite
Just to clarify a point, since in rereading my post I don't think it was clear:

"So long as we can make sure it's in an environment that's supportive of that decision and the person behind that decision."

Because of the current culture in the states, even if this passed, society would not be supportive of this decision, or the person who made that decision. As things are now, even if it passed there would be more harassment and ridicule than anything. In many situations it wouldn't only be disapproval, it would be outright unsafe. I feel breast feeding is a healthy first step, but to really get anywhere our culture itself will have to change.
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