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How would a clone impact your life?
Topic Started: Feb 3 2015, 04:21 AM (988 Views)
HexZyle
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Man, if I had a clone, I would get so much done. Of course, the clone would be forced to do all the boring stuff and likely rebel. A nuclear war may result. But in that brief window, so much would be accomplished.

This is generally one of the first things people think of when they consider a clone of themselves. There was a Round The Twist episode though (or was it in one of the books? I can't remember, It could have even been one of Terry Denton's works, or perhaps that weird author that once wrote a book about the fly swarms that infested the town when a guy and his son blew up a dead whale's body with dynamite, and the story about the rare insect which if it bit you, would turn just your flesh and skin transparent.... ANYWAY, GETTING OFF TOPIC) where the clone claimed to be the original, and forced the original to do all the work, and went on a date with the original's girlfriend and everything.

So yeah, unless you establish an agreement of equality, (or think up a different cloning method other than straight duplication) your clone has all the abilities you have, and would even could be thinking the exact same thing as you: to enslave his other.

I remember in Kaiba, (an anime about a transhumanist society where humans have been biologically engineered and modified so much that they've been reduced to just the critical data: memories and personality. This data exists on a chip that can be transferred from artificial body to artificial body, so that humans are practically immortal, as long as they can afford it. Good memories are bought and sold for high prices, and body snatchers roam the slums looking for good-looking bodies to steal and sell) there was a law where duplicating your memories into another body was illegal because of similar reasons.
Edited by HexZyle, Feb 3 2015, 09:51 AM.
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Fairly sure I've given up.
Welp, since this discussion went away from the R-18...


Since making a split-clone of yourself means it's literally a second you.. that means your thoughts are generally the same.

Meaning, since I don't want to enslave myself, I'm more likely to cooperate with the clone, even if neither of us know who the original is. And ofcourse.. someone with my EXACT level of skill?! BEST CO-OP GAMING EVER!

Alternatively, the whole tweaking the clone so it'd end up as female does seem interesting. The thought has crossed my mind sometimes, wondering what it'd be to be the opposite gender. But it'd be likely the clone would be disoriented as fuck as they'd be a man in a woman's body... Maybe the first day or so wouldn't be so bad, but after that, I'm fairly sure it wouldn't end well.

And unless we can also 'poof' our clones into non-existence and like get their memories upon doing so, it's not exactly worth it, either. I mean, the clone would be experiencing it, not me.. So there's no actual reason to do it. More reasons not to.

Though that technically also extends to a normal clone, as you'd still end up with TWO of you. Twice the food required, a shitload of sharing.. when does it end? IS there a magical 'poof' button that removes them again? I mean, the scientific 'poof' button would be a weapon and a hole in the ground, which could still end badly. :P

So.. I'm guessing.. tl;dr, even with noble intentions and the thought that nothing bad would happen... it'd still not be a very positive experience.
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Welp, since this discussion went away from the R-18...

Sorry for all the explicitly intricate descriptions of coital activity and the accompanying pornographic images I posted. ;)

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unless we can also 'poof' our clones into non-existence and like get their memories upon doing so, [...] I mean, the clone would be experiencing it, not me..

Exactly: if your cloning method was cellular division/cellular merging, you could infact split, participate in two different activities, and then remerge. However, this would only allow you to have the memories of your other half doing the task. If you wanted to experience it for both entities, you'd need to exist as a hivemind, controlling both your bodies simultaneously :P

What about a Kage Bunshin no Jutsu? Would your clones send their senses to you, or just their memories?

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Though that technically also extends to a normal clone, as you'd still end up with TWO of you. Twice the food required, a shitload of sharing.. when does it end?

I'm glad you brought this up. A huge part of having a clone would be relationship and sustenance issues. How would you manage time with friends and family, and how would your financial situation be? Depending on how the clone operates, you might need double the resources. (food, water, obviously clothes)

I considered a really weird method of having a clone:

What if at the end of each day, you jumped back in time a whole day and lived the day again by your older self's side? Under the multiverse theory, your memories wouldn't be entirely shared, but it would mean that you've experienced almost everything that your clone will experience. Under the single universe theory, you'd be exactly the same and have to deal with hearing everything twice. Also, injuries would affect both clones, and so would death. Regardless of which time travel law is in place, you've still got the doubled resource consumption issue. Splitting work between you and your clone wouldn't help that much, you still have to do the work twice. Although I guess it wouldn't feel so bad because you'd only be doing the work "once per day", and you'd also have your clone to help you.

There could still be a lazy issue though where you get annoyed at your clone for being slack (and hence end up getting grumped at a lot by your clone) but I guess we all go through that in our head anyway. You'd have to learn how to deal with yourself, and the things you hate about yourself the most would really show.
Unlike other clone situations, one of you couldn't just pack up and leave and go somewhere else to live their life, you'd always be near your clone because you become them/they become you the next day.

...Hmm. BBCode makes it impossible to hide source-visible text in broken html code...
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...Hmm. BBCode makes it impossible to hide source-visible text in broken html code...
Actually, you can still hide stuff in the middle of a line break the exact same colour as the background.
Like this. Can't hide much, though.
Hmm... If I were to clone myself, I think I'd prefer the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu method, assuming that the magical new versions of myself don't require my active input. That way, I don't have to deal with myself if I don't want to, which completely undermines the entire discussion. +D

If instead I had to live with a clone of myself, I would prefer it to be an exact clone, like most everyone else. I don't have anything against committing consensual incest, but I don't consider myself particularily attractive, so if the option of messing with the genetics was there, I would give it that line of thought, and then not bother. We'd probably agree to do everything together, excluding showering and sleeping. ...Though I'd need a second computer.

I mean, I've got a second me. We share all of our intrests, all of our likes and dislikes, our ambitions... It would be the best friend I'd ever have, a kickass duet partner, and comparably both the best and worst co-op experiences ever, depending on the game. Say we're playing some game where the drops are shared, and there's multiple fighting styles. We're going to share a preferred style, and will probably either argue or play rock paper scissors over the first "good" piece of equipment, then alternate who gets stronger pieces. But I could delegate certain things to my clone, and since we're both looking to get the same things done, I'd play a lot more games for a lot longer at a time...

Heck, maybe I can make three or four clones, and we can start a band. Probably just do a capella stuff, though. We'd all be too lazy to learn an instrument. And one of us always comes to the gigs shirtless, for belly percussion...

The issue of food comes up. I eat a very small cross-section of foods, so our entire band would probably take a trip to Wal-mart and get three loaves of bread every so often. Or buy a pack of eight chicken burgers, and empty it in one meal. Pack of twelve hotdogs, empty in one meal. Assuming I have three clones, not four.

Oh, we'd have to come up with names, too. Can't just go "Yo, Giga." and have all three of them respond with "Yeah?"
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Ahahaha! Colorful response Giga XD
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Oh, we'd have to come up with names, too. Can't just go "Yo, Giga." and have all three of them respond with "Yeah?"

What about Giga, Giiga, Giiiga and Gvga? :P
Or Mega, Giga, Tera, and Peter! (sorry, just had to make that joke :P)
Edited by HexZyle, Feb 4 2015, 11:20 AM.
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Double post
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Oh god, I didn't really think about the fact that we'd be exactly the same person. That would get confusing real fast as it'd be like looking into a mirror. Our thought process throughout the day would be identical, chances are we'd be doing the same exact thing at any give time. And whenever we were to try have a conversation with each other, we'd probably say the exact same things too. Or in my case, since I'm socially awkward and kinda shy, we'd probably never bother to talk to one another. Though I suppose, being identical copies, we wouldn't really need to speak at all in order to understand each other... Oh man that'd be so weird. >_> Also, yeah, dealing with the parts of me that I hate, anyone who's hung around me long enough knows how much of a pain that would be; we'd both get really annoyed at each other at some point.

I like the idea of having it be like a hivemind, however, that'd be really cool. That way I could have one of me relax and have fun all the freakin' time while I use the other me to get done whatever work I need to do at that give time. One of me attends college, the other stays at home and plays video games. That'd be Awesome~ Although when I really think about it, controlling multiple bodies all at once can't be an easy thing to do and might be a bit overwhelming and hard to get use to.

The time traveling method sounds pretty cool too, I'm always up for some time travel and I can see the potential of it. That's not really cloning, though, that's more or less just using time travel to make it appear as though you have a clone :P Also since you'd have to live each day twice, you'd essentially be cutting your lifespan in half when you think about it.
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Oh god, I didn't really think about the fact that we'd be exactly the same person. That would get confusing real fast as it'd be like looking into a mirror. Our thought process throughout the day would be identical, chances are we'd be doing the same exact thing at any give time. And whenever we were to try have a conversation with each other, we'd probably say the exact same things too. Or in my case, since I'm socially awkward and kinda shy, we'd probably never bother to talk to one another.

Not necessarily. The butterfly effect I believe also applies to thought processes and free will. So sure, you'd have the same routine and preferences in the morning, but if you had different names, or you were aware of which one of you was the "original", then the things you'd do you would account for what your other would think first, and thus you may come to separate conclusions. For example, if you had a job that needed to be done by one of you each day, you might both think up to alternate the task between you two, and you may both come to the conclusion that "the original", or "person 1" (if you've assigned different names to eachother regardless of who the original was, especially if you don't know) would be the first person to do the task. You would have to think in a mindset of a logical "which of us should do it first" rather than the emotional "I want to/don't want to do it first".
You could also carry around dice to assist you making "true random" decisions, rather than deterministic ones.

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Also since you'd have to live each day twice, you'd essentially be cutting your lifespan in half when you think about it.

More accurately, time around you is passing at half speed so you have twice as much time to do everything, but you only live through half as many days.
So you'd be having 10 weekdays followed by 4 day weekends :P

Yes, you would appear to age twice as quickly compared to everyone else, so I guess you would need to find new friends often.
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Not necessarily. The butterfly effect I believe also applies to thought processes and free will. So sure, you'd have the same routine and preferences in the morning, but if you had different names, or you were aware of which one of you was the "original", then the things you'd do you would account for what your other would think first, and thus you may come to separate conclusions.
Hmm... Yeah, that's a good theory, I suppose it could work in that case, assuming that is actually the case. Still, now that it's been brought up, I'm leaning more towards a hivemind sort of method. Plus, given that my clone would be a female clone, having a hivemind would allow me to feel what that is actually like, rather than observe it from an outsider's perspective.

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More accurately, time around you is passing at half speed so you have twice as much time to do everything, but you only live through half as many days.
So you'd be having 10 weekdays followed by 4 day weekends :P

Yes, you would appear to age twice as quickly compared to everyone else, so I guess you would need to find new friends often.
Though, technically you're lifespan would still be the same size, you just have to relive each day once and watch as everyone around you appears to age twice as slow. All in all, not too bad, but still kinda bad.

Oh dear, you know what just occurred to me though? You'd have to watch your older self die, knowing full well that that'd be you come tomorrow. Essentially giving yourself a heads up as to when you're gonna die.

Edited by Hatsune Candy, Feb 4 2015, 12:42 PM.
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Don't play with fire, kids.
One thing to keep in mind is the difference between Nature and Nurture. You would start off having the same thought processes, but as you both experience different things, you could be vastly different from your other self in the span of a week or a month.
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