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999; Does anyone else play this?
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Topic Started: May 19 2011, 09:42 PM (2,287 Views)
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Ghoul
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Nov 20 2012, 01:37 AM
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Glad you enjoyed it and didn't rush it.
It's truly a remarkably amazing game. Kuma likes Ever 17 even better.
Spoiler: click to toggle What're your feelings on Akane? She's a pretty polarizing character. The elevator scene is priceless, and even more so when you realize it could potentially all be an act.
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altoguy16499
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Nov 20 2012, 09:19 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle IMO, for the most part, i thought Akane was that girl you just feel like protecting. She was the "Girl next door." And then, you get to the true ending, and go WTF. The ENTIRE TIME she was Zero? That throws everything out of what you would assume. She knew EVERYTHING that would happen. Then you learn why she did it and it makes a little bit of sense, but at the same time, no sense. The way I see it, Akane did all of this in order to create a time paradox where she can survive the events from 9 years ago.......Before I ramble too much, I'll just say this. She's a character who on the outside seems VERY shallow(as in, there for one purpose) but in the end, is probably one of the more complex characters in the game when you find out who she was, and what her motives were.
ALSO WHERE DID SHE AND SANTA DISAPPEAR TO AT THE END?! >_____>
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JBRam
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Nov 20 2012, 09:59 AM
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Don't play with fire, kids.
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I would like to point out that YOU SHOULD NOT click those last two spoilers if you haven't played... UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
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Kumakaori
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Nov 20 2012, 01:07 PM
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- Nov 20 2012, 09:59 AM
I would like to point out that YOU SHOULD NOT click those last two spoilers if you haven't played... UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. ... truth. those are spoilers only for those who have played.. ... if you do end up spoiling yourself.. .shame on you <__<.
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Ghoul
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Nov 20 2012, 02:44 PM
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It's a spoiler in a narrative heavy game.
Don't read them if you don't want to be spoiled... >_> That includes the below.
Spoiler: click to toggle Aoi (Santa) and Akane snuck out since they couldn't be there while he solved the puzzle. They also wanted to get a head start to get away. And yes, the entire nonary game was a combination of revenge on Gentarou (Ace) and the others that put her through the first nonary game and Akane deleting the time paradox where she survives due to assistance from Junpei in the future. If she doesn't recreate that future, she dies, hence the fevers in the non-true timelines, since she burns in the past. Akane has to be one of the most interesting characters in any game. The dichotomy of whether what she's doing is right or wrong is amazing. In the end, she wound up with good results: she brought an extremely bad person to justice, and saved the life of a young girl in the past (The fact that the girl is herself is irrelevant). However, at the same time, she puts Junpei and the others at such an extreme risk of death, whether it was her fault or someone elses, and is indirectly responsible for 3 other deaths, that it's hard to see her as entirely clean.... I dunno. It's a really fascinating question. I'd love to take an ethics class that deals solely with the two Zero Escape games. There is so much character depth and questions of right or wrong, especially with Akane, Aoi, Gentarou, and several of the characters from VLR that I feel I could talk about them for hours. Also, alto, you might want to take a peek at this. http://www.aksysgames.com/999/answersIt's long, but also very helpful to kinda put what happened into the author's perspective. Kuma hates the idea that this exists, since it means the game isn't entirely self contained, but I disagree: I was perfectly happy with my own rationalizations before reading this.
Edited by Ghoul, Nov 20 2012, 03:07 PM.
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Kumakaori
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Nov 20 2012, 02:54 PM
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Spoilers related to other spoilers, but it's my opinions on the game right after I'd finished it.
Ghoul's right Mmn, immediately after finishing the game I /HAD/ to read those, because I was completely mind fucked as to what had just happened. I could not comprehend Akane's character. How could she act all cute and innocent, when really she's pulled some fucking amazing strings to have the finances to pull this scenario off. I had /just/ finished Ever17, too, so I inevitably compared them, and found I enjoyed Ever17's story and cohesiveness as a story better than 999. I still find it hard to believe Akane is some cold hearted bitch who could set all of this up. It's baffling. ... .. . .
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Ghoul
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Nov 20 2012, 03:00 PM
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Spoiler: click to toggle I liked the openendedness of it though. You really have a moral dilemma at the end of the game but the character archetypes fit, except for maybe Akane, but if you see it as an act or her trying to channel the girl that Junpei fell in love with, it really makes sense. I still don't see her as a bad guy, but like I said, I'd love to have an ethics professor just talk about the game. I mean, there are just a ton of angles you can go with.
And I finished Ever 17 after 999, and found 999's twist better, but slightly worse explained. I also loved how the biggest twist pertained to the system the game is on, rather than being a pure narrative function. I mean, the idea that one screen is Akane in the past and the other is Junpei right now was just impeccably done, and truly commendable. Uchikoshi knows how to take a brilliant twist and run with it.
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altoguy16499
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Nov 20 2012, 03:02 PM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Kuma, she's not cold-hearted. If you payed attention at the ending, no one besides the Ace, and the others who made the game 9 years ago were in any danger. The watches were just scanners, and acted like the watches from 9 years ago. In fact, cause they were in the mock building in the middle of the desert, there was no worry of even sinking. And considering that in the whole paradox where she was supposed to be dead, I personally believe she had the right for revenge on the creators of the game 9 years ago. put 16 children through a life or death situation, just to see if they can prove a single theory, not even caring if they died. It sounds a little bit like vigilante justice, but it was justice that was needed. Also ghoul, in your post above, you said Snake, when it was actually Santa who disappeared with Akane
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Ghoul
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Nov 20 2012, 03:06 PM
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Spoiler: click to toggle I mistyped. Santa is Aoi, Snake is Light. So I was right, my little this is his codename was wrong...
I will say it's naive to say that Junpei isn't in danger, as 4 of the endings clearly showed that there was a ton of danger. The fact that the danger was only from other players is irrelevant; the dangerous situation was created by Akane.
Edited by Ghoul, Nov 20 2012, 03:07 PM.
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JBRam
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Nov 20 2012, 04:11 PM
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Don't play with fire, kids.
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I actually saw most of that ending coming a mile away... except two particular points, but I wasn't all like OMGBATCRAZYTHINGS.
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