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| Hatsune Candy | May 21 2013, 02:30 PM Post #321 |
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The soul of a forgotten file
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Okay, so my mom said a while back that she believes homosexuality is a choice and it really bugs me. You can believe whatever you want, but I cannot accept that people choose which gender they have feelings for. Last I check, people couldn't control how they felt, and sexuality is no exception. As far as I'm concerned, you're just making excuses to discriminate. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is no different from decades ago when blacks were widely discriminated. Just like blacks, homosexuals are people too and deserve to be treated the same and to have the same rights as everyone else. We shouldn't think of them any less simply because they're different. |
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| JBRam | May 22 2013, 10:57 AM Post #322 |
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Don't play with fire, kids.
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This statement contradicts itself. I personally get very upset when people compare the mistreatment of the LGBT community (and there definitely is mistreatment) to the hundreds of years of terror and slavery that we put Africans through, simply because they had a different skintone, and the hundred-plus years of complete inequality that we treated African-Americans with after the slaves were freed. There is still significant racism in this country on top of that. The LGBT community is going through a lot of crap, and they have done so for a long time, but in my opinion, it does not hold a candle to what blacks went through. That said, if you believe someone has a right to their opinion, then you need to accept that people have opinions that differ from yours in every single thing you believe. A person has the right to deny the existence of gravity. It doesn't mean that gravity ceases to exist. A person has a right to say they think you can choose who you fall in love with. I personally think a person CAN affect who they fall in love with through various actions. Keep in mind that love and lust are two completely different things. A person can decide they don't want to fall in love and shut themselves away from the world, seething in bitterness at everything around them. Does that mean they're asexual? No, it means they've chosen not to love. A person can, though significant interaction, culture and grow a love for a person they previously had no feelings for. It happens daily. If a person wants to, they CAN form an interest in the same or opposite sex, but it might be a lot more difficult for them than the average person. In short, there are two parts to the story: Nature vs. nurture. Both play a significant role in everything that makes us who we are. A gay man can choose to love a woman. Will he love that woman as much as he might love a man? Probably not. Will he have as much lust towards her as he would another guy? Most likely not even close. (Note: Lust is being used in a neutral sense here - English doesn't have a good word for carnal love that is without negative connotation) Being gay, straight, bi is likely not a choice. Forcing a person to have feelings for someone they naturally wouldn't is wrong, in my opinion. That includes gay camps, etc. Now back to LGBT descrimination... there is a significant difference between the discrimination that they feel versus the discrimination of blacks several years ago. 1) LGBT people can vote and can and DO hold political office. There is no legal distinction between a straight and gay person that prevents them from any legal actions. 2) You can't tell a person is gay by looking at them. This allows the LGBT community to remain underground and avoid discrimination (although that usually consists of lying to oneself for years). However, you can be gay and live your life without a shred of discrimination. Blacks 80 years ago did not have that luxury. 3) There are not separate bus seats, bathrooms, drinking fountains, schools, hospitals, etc for gay people. The LGBT community has it hard, but saying it's identical to the discrimination that blacks faced for years is an insult. Don't say you're willing to let people have their opinions in one breath, and in the next condemn them for having an opinion, even if you believe that opinion is fundamentally and/or morally flawed. |
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| Hatsune Candy | May 22 2013, 03:04 PM Post #323 |
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The soul of a forgotten file
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Whoa whoa, hang on now. I'll admit, mentioning blacks was a bit of a stretch and I probably shouldn't have (though I did say to correct me if I'm wrong), but I never said, or even implied, that I condemn anyone for having a different opinion. I'm not some jerk, I respect others' beliefs. Quite frankly I don't know where you got that notion from. What I clearly said was that while I can accept people with opinions other than my own, I can't always accept the opinion itself; and there's nothing at all wrong with that. Sure I might despise the fact that someone could have that type opinion, but never the person themselves. In the sentence you quoted, I was condemning the opinion, not the people who have it. I seriously don't understand how you misread that, to me it seems pretty obvious what I meant. Edited by Hatsune Candy, May 22 2013, 03:22 PM.
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| Stabby | May 22 2013, 05:01 PM Post #324 |
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Hello~
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...Really. Tell me more. Edited by Stabby, May 22 2013, 05:02 PM.
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| Gaia | May 22 2013, 05:16 PM Post #325 |
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The Embodiment of Earth
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Okay, guys. This is a rant topic. Please, PLEASE don't be too critical or negative towards someone who was, entirely, venting a feeling they had boiling inside them. We don't always think straight when we're angry. Educating someone is completely fine, but keep in mind, it's a topic about ranting, not opinion-sharing. While opinions may be involved with ranting, you don't necessarily need to be opinionated if you do respond. |
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| Silverpraetor | May 23 2013, 05:59 PM Post #326 |
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The bored mutt
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So, for Christmas I got a new desktop. Not top of the line, but enough to do everything I wanted, and to play games at not bottom quality graphics. I just found out today, that when the power supply went it apparently fried A LOT more than I though. The power supply went 4 months ago. 4 fucking months ago. I had it 2 months, before that happened. This is why I can't have nice things. |
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| Speedy | May 24 2013, 04:16 AM Post #327 |
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Fairly sure I've given up.
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Hm, while I somewhat agree with that, (gasp opinion) isn't disagreeing with something and giving your own opinion on it basically a form of ranting yourself? Especially if there are insults embedded into previous rants, even more so if they are aimed at you.. I can totally expect people to go 'what, fuck you, anger rant mode time'. |
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| Gaia | May 24 2013, 05:58 AM Post #328 |
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The Embodiment of Earth
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This topic, by it's very nature, is to vent and to make people feel better. While I did indeed offer an opinion on the matter and, thus, was very hypocritical, I wasn't exactly countering my point; don't counter-rant and share your opinion. If you're coming in here for logical discussion, you might find yourself getting pissed off too. Insults directed at any party that might take offense are a different matter; the ranter should be contacted directly, not in-topic. When you're typing a rant, often blindly, clicking the send button feels better than going back and editing, no? Edited by Gaia, May 24 2013, 05:58 AM.
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| Speedy | May 24 2013, 06:52 AM Post #329 |
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Fairly sure I've given up.
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Perhaps we should make it an official rule to completely cease replying to posts in this very topic, with the only exceptions being that you have something to add to the rant/agree with it and if someone is getting insulted. And for that second case, contact Rescla instead of replying with a hateful rant of your own? |
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| Gaia | May 24 2013, 05:55 PM Post #330 |
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The Embodiment of Earth
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That does honestly sound like a solid plan. I do feel like I'm being a little over-concerned, but I'd rather having it that way than having people who were simply ranting being met by walls and having to justify themselves. And of course, if there's really something the matter, we've always got PMs if something's really out of line. |
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