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Topic Started: Oct 14 2010, 06:56 PM (2,134 Views)
Pantocratoria
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Pantocratoria would look badly upon the firebombing of her trading partners and so long as their money is good and they don't letterbox us with Little Red Books, we would certainly be happy trading partners.
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Knootoss
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Trading with reds is shameful. :(
Edited by Knootoss, May 26 2011, 05:56 AM.
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Threatening to be more vigorously anti-communist than the United States at the height of the Cold War where there was a Soviet Union which actually posed a credible threat to the United States and its allies is more shameful. At least American anti-communism was motivated by the defence of the United States and its allies. Knootian anti-communism seems to be motivated by a neo-imperialist desire to wage war on people for what they think.

If Cold War America was the world's police officer, you are proposing that Knootoss be the world's thought police officer.

In its previous form, the Fiefdom of Uncle Noel was never a Soviet Union, it wasn't even a Venezuela. Its foreign policy was completely non-belligerent, in fact, it was outright friendly. There could be no justification for its firebombing and I am sure your threats of the same arise from misconceptions of what a socialist state under the dear leadership of nice old Uncle Noel would really be like.

I say let the fellow RP whatever sort of country he likes, and trust to his experience and ability as a roleplayer to develop a continuity to allow his country to fit into the region.
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Knootoss
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Communist states are not democratic though. They can have friendly foreign policies while still brutally suppressing the rights of the people, including the right to own property and the right to elect ones government in free, secret, multi-party elections.
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Xirnium
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I like you Uncle Noel and you are more than welcome to spam us with your Little Red Books.
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Knootoss
May 26 2011, 08:01 AM
Communist states are not democratic though. They can have friendly foreign policies while still brutally suppressing the rights of the people, including the right to own property and the right to elect ones government in free, secret, multi-party elections.
Pantocratoria could be said to do this.

Knootoss could be said to do this since elections have no bearing on the formation of governments. Even putting that aside, Knootoss definitely does this in Colombia.

No firebombs. We can trust the player to recreate a country which could have existed in the Western Atlantic without provoking any significant change to the defence posture and/or regional foreign policy of the powers.
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Xirnium
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Even in, the Times-Advertiser, Xirnium’s newspaper of record, phrases like ‘imperialist’, ‘poor human rights record’ and ‘dangerous rogue state’ are ten times more likely to appear in an article describing Knootoss than the People’s Fiefdom.
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Leagran
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It does seem very odd to debate the appropriateness of me being in the region when not only have I not done anything yet, but I was also there at the very start (if not actually doing very much at that time).

But I would thank people for the kind words that you’ve said about the old Fiefdom and about my general RPing. In defence of the principle of the Fiefdom being in the Western Atlantic to begin with, I would ask what the region is really designed for. Personally, I think that we’re here because our countries are, by and large, grounded in realism. You can easily imagine Pantocratoria, or Xirnium existing alongside Switzerland and Macedonia (Xirnium has always reminded me, if you don’t mind me saying, of a combination of Denmark [in terms of the language, terrain and architecture] with a Parisian intellectual distain for outsiders). Of course, we’re all allowed some flights of fancy (otherwise we’d all be having sovereign debt crises), but by and large we shun countries that have large-scale slavery, or a state of perpetual genocide. And surely there is nothing more realistic than the notion that you have to deal with neighbours whose systems you don’t necessarily approve of. Would our world be a better place if the Chinese Communist Party shuffled off the stage and allowed free and fair elections? Of course it would. But for the moment it isn’t, and we all have to deal with the People’s Republic irrespective of our distaste. And I always thought the old Fiefdom was a considerably nicer place than China.

So please let me back in, and you can all come to the May Day Parade.
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Knootoss
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I'm happy to RP with you, make no mistake about that. Nor do I OOC have a problem with communistic beliefs. (I disagree of course.) No OOC hard feelings at all. :)

However, considering the rather anti-Knootian and pro-communist rhetoric from TRD, Pantocratoria and Xirnium the idea that their return wouldn't affect intra-regional relations seems to ring a bit hollow. It would seem to me that it'd be a collectively anti-Knootian mood that would immediately take hold should I realistically RP my response to the emergence of a communistic regime right on our doorstep.

The way Knootoss deals with communists is by fighting them.

If the allies don't have the stomach to join in, so be it. If they want to defend a communist regime ... so be it as well.
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OMG KNOOT CUT IT WITH THE PARANOIA!
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