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Topic Started: Apr 15 2012, 10:38 AM (840 Views)
The Empire of New Chalcedon
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Hi all. I'm New Chalcedon, a friend of Brasland's. We were regionmates for quite some time in Ixnay, before it went downhill, and he has recommended that I apply to join.

Here's the short of it. I am, in no particular order:

- A fairly active RPer (check my posting history on NS's II subforum for examples of my RPing);
- A polite regionmate who generally tries to smooth over disturbances rather than starting them;
- Highly active on NSG; and
- A retired WA member (I was, in fact, the Regional Delegate for Pacific Defenders for quite some time before leaving the WA due to vehement disagreement with a particular resolution that passed).

I don't start trouble, I don't jump in & out of regions (Western Atlantic would be my fourth in as many years, if I'm accepted) and I don't fiddle around with alliances, either (I was a long-time member of ODECON until that organisation's collapse). I like to think I'm a solid RPer and great prospect for regional membersip!
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Snefaldia
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Hello New Chalcedon, and welcome!

Looking over your posting history and your wiki (when the damnable site loads) I'm getting a good sense of your nation. For brevity's sake, could you give us a summary of your nation- some history, political organization, theme, that sort of thing?

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Knootoss
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Lo there!

When Brasland first told me that you wanted to apply I did a bit of research and it seems interesting to have you join! Another Australian and another evil homosexual. Surely a mixed bag for some of the existing players. Once you are accepted you shall have to make introductions in our sekrit introduction thread.

It would be nice to have a nation who tries to smooth over disturbances rather than starting them, too. I don't think we have any. Well we have some who try to smooth over disturbances then give up in disgust I suppose. :D

You also join at an interesting time with IC flashpoints in the region and everything. Anyway, on to more serious matters....

HISTORY OVERLAP

From NSwiki I understand that the Ancient and Uninterrupted Empire of Eastern Rome, ruled from New Chalcedon, referred to for convenience as the Empire of New Chalcedon, is an immense, wealthy land, founded in 1457 by a group of Greeks (Byzantine Romans) fleeing the Conquest of Constantinople in 1453.

As it happens one of our other very active and awesome players, The Holy and Most August Empire of Pantocratoria, and again quoting the wiki here: was founded by a group of refugees (the Knights of the Order of the Pantocrator and their families) fleeing the Ottoman Empire after the Turkish conquest of Constantinople in 1453. The Pantocratorian Imperial line (the House of Bourbon-Comnenus-Palaeologus) sees itself as an extension of the Roman Emperors of Constantinople.

It is not implausible that these two groups founded separate nations but, what with our countries having a shared histories subforum and everything, the two of you should ... have some basic understanding of how this will work before we have you shimmer into existence IC as existing in the Western Atlantic and always having existed into the Western Atlantic.

MAP MAP MAP

I am the mapmaker, a benevolent tyrant, yet one who shall ask you nagging questions!

My first question/request/demandreallybutletsnotcallitthat is that if we move your nation that it not continue to be an island chain. The region already has plenty of island chains and we do not need more.

On the other hand, there's still plenty of room on the continent which I call transmontana and which other, less enlightened countries refer to by unpronounceable names of their own heathen tongue. As you can see on the map, New Chaledon could easily displace some of the NPCs there with a geography of its own (I can redraw coastlines and everything), yet connected to Transmontana and, perhaps, Epheron.

Kemet, Avaria and Pannonia have never been played or even referred to much IC so some or all of it can be subject to temporal erasure.

Advantages of this:

1) You claim a Mediterranean climate and the Latawa and Avar seas are our faux-Mediterranean.
2) Culturally, the Empire would be wedged between Cyretopolitania which was founded by Phoenicians but which has a strong feel as a former Roman province (zing) and is Coptic orthodox and on the other end of it, there's Daytanistan which also had Greek influences.
3) I want to make Epheron less fauxfrica and have fewer NPC Kingdoms so any opportunity to redraw that part of the map shall be warmly welcomed by me.

The only thing that's obviously missing in this picture is Islam, which spread from the east to Epheron or the other way around. (I'm not sure what we are settled on there!)

As for who you are bordering, I won't have you border Snefaldia unless he consents to it. I'm assuming border with Brasland would be ok?

TLDR version: I'd like your thoughts about the map and also I'd like those thoughts to not involve islands if it is at all possible.
Edited by Knootoss, Apr 15 2012, 04:13 PM.
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Brasland

I'm not NC's spokesman, but I would surely welcome if he accepts to be located next to my country (if he prefers not, I respect that too). The King of Brasland is the nephew of the Empress of New Chalcedon, so it would be nice to keep things in the family.
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Knootoss
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Okay. Waiting for New Chalcedon's response then. n_n
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The Empire of New Chalcedon
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Right. I just got back, after nearly losing my PC to a virus, and then having to re-mark a whole bunch of assessments (sadly, I wasn't able to save the marked assessments, and I hate re-doing good work), so I apologise for the delay. I'll take the posts in order:

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Hello New Chalcedon, and welcome!

Looking over your posting history and your wiki (when the damnable site loads) I'm getting a good sense of your nation. For brevity's sake, could you give us a summary of your nation- some history, political organization, theme, that sort of thing?


Very well. Here's Imperial History and Politics 101:

The history of the nation is covered on NSWiki in mroe depth than I think we have the time for here, but the basic premise is that the nation was founded by a mix of Greek refugees fleeing the fall of Constantinople and several friendly tribes of native peoples, who chose to cast their lot with these strangers. Basically, they fled over the sea (initially, I had conceptualised it as from the eastern coast of "Africa", into a previously-unknown archipelago in the "Indian Ocean"), and settled onto the large island they found. Over time, they expanded and absorbed the various native (think: Zulu expies) principalities and tribes into their new realm, eventually proclaiming the rebirth of the Empire in the late 17th century. From there, the history get both more complicated and more static - there have been no significant territorial additions since, as the Empire is generally uninterested in colonisation.

Theme: Very Byzantine. I've had an interest in the Byzantine Empire for a long time, and NS is a good place to indulge it.

Politics: In short, a semi-Parliamentary constitutional Monarchy. The Imperial Estates (theoretically coequal with the Crown as a separate branch of government) is divided into a popular House (the Assembly) and an aristocratic House (the Senate). In order to hand the Crown a defeat, these must both work together with that specific goal in mind, which doesn't happen often - almost never in the current Empress' rule, as she is a highly-able politician, diplomat and dealmaker. Very prone to intrigue, treason etc. - which is why Imperial Intelligence is so well-resourced and feared.

Key national flaws:
- Propensity to intrigue and/or treason among the elite;
- Moderate dependence on fossil fuel imports (the Empire has minimised its use of them, but they can't be done away with entirely, and it has virtually no deposits);
- A degree of xenophobia among the citizenry, although this has abated in recent decades; and
- Naval primacy (formerly an archipelago nation, and I love naval combat), at the expense of the resourcing of the Imperial Army.

Hope that gives you an idea.

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Knootoss, to address your points in some rough order:

- I am indeed both homosexual, and evil. Just ask any Catholic priest B-)
- I'm good to accommodate Pantocratoria (perhaps by one or both of our nations being descended from cadet Palaiologoi branches; or by IC ambiguity over which of us is descended from the "real" last Emperor- but I'm open to other ideas Panto may have)
- Maps: I'm fine with Kemet and western Avaria (so as not to impinge on Snefaldia), perhaps with some of western Pannonia thrown in, so as to maintain borders with Brasland? The reason I ask for both Kemet and Avaria is that it's important to me that the Empire be in two halves (if that's accepted by you, Constantinopolis Secundus would be on the relatively small island between them);
- Maps (Part II): I've never had a colony before - if I ask really nicely, could I have something nice by way of a colony?
- Maps (part III): The rise of Islam in the area can be easily explained - either there were some wars, or it simply didn't take among the Imperial people. I'm Ok with having a small-to-moderate Islamic minority within the Empire, but I really do envision the Empire as an Orthodox nation.
- Maps (Part IV): The map looks great - clearly, heaps of work goes into it on an ongoing basis: a good indicator of regional health *doublethumbsup* BTW, are Heliges Westbund and/or any other NPC nations former players?
- Again, apologies over the delay. Between marking, re-marking, computer viruses and other issues, I've had the weekend from Hell.

Hope that answers any outstanding questions :)
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Pantocratoria
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I am really hesitant because of the similarity of our histories and national concepts. I like New Chalcedon's posts etc but there is a reason I have never tried to interact with him IC before.
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Snefaldia
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Pantocratoria has state Catholicism with an Orthodox minority, while it appears New Chalcedon has remained Orthodoxy uninterrupted. I see no reason there can't be two competing claims to be the "Third Rome" whose intensity ebbs and flows depending on political climate. Given Panto's French continuity, it seems there's enough grey area to allow both to work side by side.
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There's not a strong reason why it isn't possible, and I didn't say that. I said I am hesitant. Both of us being in the same region should have enormous implications for both of our national histories and the like, otherwise it would be ridiculous.
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(and religion has no relevance to that consideration from my perspective)
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