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| Knootoss | Apr 17 2012, 02:04 PM Post #11 |
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First of all, glad to see you're here now, and posting! Did my TG to you fall off the max allowed number btw or did you get it? Onwards, to discuss issues of import: The Byzantine Conundrum I have no idea how to resolve the overlap with Pantocratoria either, to be honest. I know Panto has spent an enormous amount of time working out his family trees and such and well, I wouldn't expect him to change all that. It doesn't seem fair on New Chalcedon either, though. My suggestions aren't going to be very specific because I know little about this era in history and I haven't yet played Crusader Kings II enough to catch up. But I would suggest this: two random Byzantine groups landing in different parts of the Western Atlantic in a completely unrelated fashion is a little silly. My suggestion would be that you jointly work out some kind of early history split so it makes sense and becomes actually a source of fun for interaction, rather than a point awkwardness. Some ideas I'd like to throw out there: 1) There was only a single fleet of refugees, but they got separated in a storm. Or there was acrimony. One group crashed into the Pantocratorian islands and the other settled in Chalcedon. Kind of lame but it has the benefit of being simple. 2) You keep a shared history but settle on a point of divergence using a complex succession crisis type scenario that set the countries apart. In this scenario Chalcedon and Pantocratoria would have been ruled by the same Emperors for some time until the break-up point. For present day interaction it could mean that your Emperors are pretenders to each others throne. Though this would probably only be a formality and not some hotly contested issue after centuries of being apart, like Pantocratoria's theoretical claims to the French throne and to Constantinople. Snefaldia also has a third suggestion. ![]() Might any of this work? Map I'm happy to give you Kemet and western Avaria with some of western Pannonia thrown in. The area in eastern pannonia can continue to be a pagan NPC thing. (I really need to redo the religious map. The current religion map hopelessly out of date but it looked like this. I shall draw a new one after your country is integrated. I'd also like to point out that the current coastlines can and indeed probably should be changed. However if you are happy with the current layout that works for me. I shall need the names and locations of cities and rivers too. So please provide them. ![]() The NPCs None of the white (NPC) nations are former players. They're simply stand-ins for unclaimed territories because I dislike maps with huge HERE BE DRAGONS type areas. Does not really fit a 21st century theme. As a rule we try to avoid mentioning the NPCs. They have a vague concept-y backstory though. The most relevant one for you geographically speaking is the Heiligest Westbund or the Holy Western Confederation. Think of it as the Holy Roman Empire that survived into the present age, turned into an extremely decentralised Confederation of small and mostly feckless states. The Nordmark and the Ostmark are the exception and I've taken to playing them in this thread to give our new players in the east something to do. :> A new player that is placed on former Westbund land doesn't have to integrate histories with it, by the way. That player was just always there all along. Edited by Knootoss, Apr 17 2012, 02:25 PM.
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| The Empire of New Chalcedon | Apr 17 2012, 02:49 PM Post #12 |
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I'm about to go to sleep (severely sleep deprived atm), so I'll make this quick: Re: Heritage. Both of Knootoss' ideas strike my fancy, but Snefaldia's is good also. I'll need to talk to Pantocratoria to work out the details, but it is true that a completely unrelated backstory/history would be faintly ludicrous. I do have Ventrilo, as well as Windows Live Messenger. What do I need ot give Pantocratoria to work with, in order that we may chat more rapidly than normal NS pace? Geographic locations: The large river in Kemet would be the Tapopo. The northern small river in Pannonia West would be the Seduni, and the southern the Padus River. The small southern river in Kemet would be the Eurotas River. A mountain range in Kemet (running N-S) would be nice, but is by no means necessary. City names and locations: Capital: Constantinopolis Secundus. Location: small island between Kemet & Avaria. Northern red dot on Kemet: Constantiana. Southern red dot on Kemet: Singidunum. Red dot in Avaria: Novoa Ancyra. Red dot in Pannonia: Sirmium. Due east of southern Kemet red dot, on coast: Novoa Athinai. Southern Kemet, where the Eurotas meets the inland sea: Philippopolis. Northern tip of Avaria (coast): Alexandretta. Southern Kemet, where the lake empties into the Tapopo River: KwaDandwe. Southern Kemet, at the western shore of the northern lake: KwaDukuza. Coast of Pannonia, just south of the Brasland border: Ischaterium. Southern coast of Avaria, in the Zogor foothills: Epidamnos. Feel free to fiddle with the coastlines as you please - I hope I've given you enough to work with. So...the Westbund is "mostly feckless small states",eh? Rich hunting grounds for city-colonies, yes? ![]() At any rate, I really need some z's right now. I should be back on tomorrow evening, Perth time. *waves* |
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| Knootoss | Apr 17 2012, 05:11 PM Post #13 |
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I'll start working on the map if/when the details with Panto are haggled out. Will TG you my own MSN thing too.
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| Abt | Apr 18 2012, 10:48 AM Post #14 |
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Until Panto has given his green light, I cannot give mine. |
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| Excalbia | Apr 18 2012, 11:37 AM Post #15 |
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Agreed. I think Panto has to get the final say on this one due to the similarity in concept. I can think of a dozen ways to make it work, but doesn't mean any of them would work for him. So, I think he has to make the call. |
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| Pantocratoria | Apr 18 2012, 01:59 PM Post #16 |
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I am on Skype or Google Talk if you want to talk. I think we can work out something in terms of an historical relationship. |
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| The Empire of New Chalcedon | Apr 19 2012, 12:38 PM Post #17 |
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Sadly, Panto, I suspect that we're not online at the same times. Which probably makes sense - we're probably in very different time zones. Looks like its TGing ideas back and forth, then. That's fine - I'd rather do this right than do it quick. |
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| Knootoss | Jun 9 2012, 11:54 AM Post #18 |
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Is this still going anywhere? Just curious for an update. |
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| Brasland | Jun 9 2012, 05:20 PM Post #19 |
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My last communication with NC about this issue was a long time ago, and Panto was supposed to reply back.....which he didn't (probably for good reasons). |
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| Pantocratoria | Jun 11 2012, 09:46 AM Post #20 |
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Probably not for as good reasons as all that, but I remember it being the other way around when I last dealt with it. |
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