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game shopping; the thread that should never end...
Topic Started: Oct 17 2005, 03:55 PM (21,700 Views)
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Well, perhaps, "the first full 3D cellshaded game" would be more accurate for Wacky Racers? I'm with you, the cellshaded characters of Fear Effect don't really count...

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Hmm, wasn't Fur Fighters a cell shaded game that was earlier than Wacky Races right. That came out not more than a month or two after DC came out.
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I'm not sure if Fur Fighters was cellshaded or not, I've only ever played a demo of it(I loved it though).

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I'm not sure if Fur Fighters was cellshaded or not, I've only ever played a demo of it(I loved it though).


Yeah, pretty cool game. I could have sworn it was cellshaded, but your right its not. It was a really fun FPS and the platforming bits mixed it up a bit, underrated game for sure.
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Hmm, wasn't Fur Fighters a cell shaded game that was earlier than Wacky Races right. That came out not more than a month or two after DC came out.

Fur Fighters came out in July of 2000, and doesn't use Cel shading. It's just got very good texture mapping techniques to promote the cartoon character look. Fear Effect came out in January of that year, Wacky Races in June and Jet Grind Radio in October. I think that the criteria for Cell shading was actually flat shaded polygons with a black outline.
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Sega Genesis Collection - ($20 new PS2, its only on PS2 BTW)

Well, this is pretty good, now I haven't tried everything but what I have played has been nice. Lots and lots of extras like bonus games and tons of interviews with the makers. The games have history sections and art galleries. I have to say the interface is really slick looking, it doesn't look thrown together like on a lot of these retro compulations. I haven't played a game where the button layout or lack of six face buttons has bothered me, there aren't any SF II type games on here so it may not be an issue at all.

I tried to reserve Capcom Collection Volume 2 but the guy at GameStop couldn't find it in the machine. It wasn't on his reserve list either, I was like hey man, I know for a fact it comes out next week! I guess I'll just walk in a get one.
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I wouldn't worry about having to reserve CGv2, even if GameStop doesn't have it, I'm sure Best Buy or someone will.

As for the Sega Genesis collection controller issue, you could always pick up one of those SF or MK pads that usually sell for about $10 nowadays...

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As for the Sega Genesis collection controller issue, you could always pick up one of those SF or MK pads that usually sell for about $10 nowadays...


Oh, did Hori make a 6 button MK pad? I didn't know that. The shape and layout of those look really good (pretty much the exact design of the DC six button they sold) but the buttons and pad don't look too sweet. But for $10 what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

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I wouldn't worry about having to reserve CGv2, even if GameStop doesn't have it, I'm sure Best Buy or someone will.


Oh, GS will have it I'm sure, computer is probably screwed up. I should have picked up their own damn magazine and pointed to the calender and said "look, it comes out November 14th, dummy.". I'm pretty sure that won't be a real hot item anyhow.
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Oh, did Hori make a 6 button MK pad?  I didn't know that.  The shape and layout of those look really good (pretty much the exact design of the DC six button they sold) but the buttons and pad don't look too sweet.  But for $10 what the hell, I'll give it a shot.


I am unsure as to the maker of the pads, but I hear that both aren't that great for fighters at all(but since you'd be using it for the SG collection, it might be alright).

Here's a pic of the MK controller:

http://www.nextag.com/2-kombat-mortal-computer/search-html

Here's a pic of the SF Controller:

http://gear.ign.com/articles/618/618875p1.html

Though the bottom pic is of the Xbox version, the PS2 version look exactly the same. Both of these can be bought for $9.99(new) almost anywhere.

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Oh, GS will have it I'm sure, computer is probably screwed up.  I should have picked up their own damn magazine and pointed to the calender and said "look, it comes out November 14th, dummy.".  I'm pretty sure that won't be a real hot item anyhow.


I'm sure it'll sell, but in terms of having it sell out, I doubt we'll be seeing that. Still, let us know what you think of it. :)

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In all the PS3 hype I went to a game store...
and bought a used PS2 ;)
I had WRC for it ,waiting for this day.WRC is a fun, semi-arcade
rally game with tight controls and much better physics than V-Rally 3
and Rallisport Challenge. I like it!
got-
Twisted Metal Black- I had fun battles with my pals on this
back in the olden days.
Soldier of Fortune Gold- Yikes, the controls on this are busted.
Aiming is SO slow, the game has a retard difficulty below
Easy. It makes the sniper rifle nearly useless. There is more
blood spraying and bot skin damage than the Dreamcast version.
Since it lacks the slick Turok controls of the Sega version it is tough
to care. This could be quickly traded way...
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In all the PS3 hype I went to a game store...
and bought a used PS2 ;)


Hey, cool man! PK used to have a PS2, it was even one of those slim-ass models. It was pretty fucking hip, but she traded it in for an Xbox so she could Live game with the rest of us. I, one day, will get a PS2...if for nothing else than to just play PS1 games in that "PS1 Mode" the system allows for. ;)

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Twisted Metal Black- I had fun battles with my pals on this
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I hear this was the TM that the original team came back and did after Sony threw boatloads of cash their way. Good for them, after Sony's own "989 Studios" ran the series into the dumpster with 3, 4 and "Tiny", it's nice to see another proper TM out there. Definitely one I'll get when I get a PS2.

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Soldier of Fortune Gold- Yikes, the controls on this are busted.
Aiming is SO slow, the game has a retard difficulty below
Easy. It makes the sniper rifle nearly useless. There is more
blood spraying and bot skin damage than the Dreamcast version.
Since it lacks the slick Turok controls of the Sega version it is tough
to care. This could be quickly traded way...


Man, that's too bad. How were the loads, were they as long as the DC version?

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Well, I tried to get Capcom Collection Volume 2 but GameStop didn't have one, tried Target and they didn't either. So, I had a wild hair and actually paid $50 for a new game and picked up Tony Hawk Project 8 for PS2. If you never liked the series this one probably won't make you like it but it does have some significant changes.

Probably the biggest is that it doesn't hold your hand nearly as much as the THUG games did. The graphics got a big boost, I would be curious to compare this to the XB360 and PS3 versions.

Starting to Jones for that Yakuza but am holding out till it comes down a bit.

Got my brother Titan Quest for the PC for $30 new. I watched him play it some, nice looking game. Supposed to the first hack and slash that really equals Diablo II from the several things I read about it. Has that Greek mythos thing going on instead of the medevil era, which is kind of cool for a change.

Went crazy on the DVD's which is is unusal, got Office Space from Target new for $10 but was actually looking for Team America but they didn't have it. So, I figured what the hell, Blockbuster is sure to have it because I rented it there before. They did have it $10 used, of course the person behind the counter goes you can get 3 $10 movies for $20 so I go back and look at least the movies at the front of the stacks. Got Team America, Return of the Living Dead (the new one) & Bloodrayne (this one is supposed to really bad but I'm hoping in a cheesy funny way.)
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Well, I tried to get Capcom Collection Volume 2 but GameStop didn't have one, tried Target and they didn't either.  So, I had a wild hair and actually paid $50 for a new game and picked up Tony Hawk Project 8 for PS2.  If you never liked the series this one probably won't make you like it but it does have some significant changes.

Probably the biggest is that it doesn't hold your hand nearly as much as the THUG games did.  The graphics got a big boost, I would be curious to compare this to the XB360 and PS3 versions.


Well, though there's no PS2 version in the video, you can look at both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game and compare them to what you're seeing on your PS2 version:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming...p?showtopic=800

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Starting to Jones for that Yakuza but am holding out till it comes down a bit.


Yeah, it definitely looks pretty hip.

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Got my brother Titan Quest for the PC for $30 new.  I watched him play it some, nice looking game.  Supposed to the first hack and slash that really equals Diablo II from the several things I read about it.  Has that Greek mythos thing going on instead of the medevil era, which is kind of cool for a change.


Around here, boy, we call it Diablo III! ;)

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Went crazy on the DVD's which is is unusal, got Office Space from Target new for $10 but was actually looking for Team America but they didn't have it.


Man that movie is so great(well, both of them actually). Still haven't see that SE version of TA...but I want to...even if just for that added 30 seconds of defecating humor. ;)

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So, I figured what the hell, Blockbuster is sure to have it because I rented it there before.  They did have it $10 used, of course the person behind the counter goes you can get 3 $10 movies for $20 so I go back and look at least the movies at the front of the stacks.  Got Team America, Return of the Living Dead (the new one) & Bloodrayne (this one is supposed to really bad but I'm hoping in a cheesy funny way.)


I don't know about BR man...though Ben did tell me one very amusing thing about it: Apparently there's a scene with all these hookers in it...and because they had such a low budget, those are REAL HOOKERS. They couldn't afford to hire even amateur actresses to fill in the part. ;)

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re SOF Gold load times for PS2- pretty quick and less frequent than DC.
Too bad it still sucks. The DC one is better.

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Around here, boy, we call it Diablo III!


Boy, I can't wait for the actual Diablo III to come out! I imagine that is a long way off though. I am really looking forward to Supreme Commander (by the creator of Total Annihilation) sometime in the first half of next year though, on the PC.

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Man that movie is so great(well, both of them actually). Still haven't see that SE version of TA...but I want to...even if just for that added 30 seconds of defecating humor.


I love the Team America theme song! "America...FUCK YEAH...so lick my ass and suck on my balls...". That would make a great ring tone. ;)

The special edition is great, lots of extra content, tons of interviews and deleted scenes. Pretty interesting on how they made the movie, like how their faces move and look realistic and such.

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I don't know about BR man...though Ben did tell me one very amusing thing about it: Apparently there's a scene with all these hookers in it...and because they had such a low budget, those are REAL HOOKERS. They couldn't afford to hire even amateur actresses to fill in the part.


Oh yeah, I watched it last night. It really wasn't THAT bad. If you look at the cast, its pretty good for a vg movie, some big names that have fallen on bad times maybe.

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re SOF Gold load times for PS2- pretty quick and less frequent than DC.
Too bad it still sucks. The DC one is better.


Thats really too bad because thats what absolutely kills the DC version. I just can't take two minute load times that occur multiple times per level, thats almost worse than playing the Neo Geo CD! ;)
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Boy, I can't wait for the actual Diablo III to come out!  I imagine that is a long way off though.  I am really looking forward to Supreme Commander (by the creator of Total Annihilation) sometime in the first half of next year though, on the PC.


The only problem I'm seeing with Diablo III is that it's taking so fucking long to come out, but the time it finally does, we'll need a *completely* new PC setup to play it. :(

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I love the Team America theme song!  "America...FUCK YEAH...so lick my ass and suck on my balls...".  That would make a great ring tone. ;)


I know it man, the songs it that movie were so great!

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The special edition is great, lots of extra content, tons of interviews and deleted scenes.  Pretty interesting on how they made the movie, like how their faces move and look realistic and such.


Reading over IMDB, I was interested to hear that most shots of their hands were actually *real* hands(in gloves) and that the dummies were around 4 or 5 feet tall!

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Oh yeah, I watched it last night.  It really wasn't THAT bad.  If you look at the cast, its pretty good for a vg movie, some big names that have fallen on bad times maybe.


Yeah, I don't know man...I may get drunk enough to see it at some point...but after UltraViolet and Aeon Flux, my day's of getting piss drunk just to endure a movie may be coming to an end...

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Thats really too bad because thats what absolutely kills the DC version.  I just can't take two minute load times that occur multiple times per level, thats almost worse than playing the Neo Geo CD! ;)


It really is. I mean, 45 second+ loads, and then multiple times per level was just killer. Thing is, the DC version is almost an *exact* replicate of the PC version. I mean, textures, scenery, everything. It was like you were running the PC version of the game...but with much, much less ram. They didn't tone it down as much as they should have, in order to make it load way less. Half-Life on DC was the same way...

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The only problem I'm seeing with Diablo III is that it's taking so fucking long to come out, but the time it finally does, we'll need a *completely* new PC setup to play it.


Hasn't Blizzard been pretty good about having rather low entry requirements for their games not like FPS's, say like a HL2 where when it came out you had to have a top of the line machine to run it? I remember you kind of had some old hardware before but you have a nice PC now, I bet you wouldn't have any problem. If it doesn't come out till 2008 or something I sure we will all need a new machine by then.

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Yeah, I don't know man...I may get drunk enough to see it at some point...but after UltraViolet and Aeon Flux, my day's of getting piss drunk just to endure a movie may be coming to an end...


Just out of curiosity, have you watched the third MK movie? That one is supposed to be a real turd (I actually liked the first two).

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It really is. I mean, 45 second+ loads, and then multiple times per level was just killer. Thing is, the DC version is almost an *exact* replicate of the PC version. I mean, textures, scenery, everything. It was like you were running the PC version of the game...but with much, much less ram. They didn't tone it down as much as they should have, in order to make it load way less. Half-Life on DC was the same way...


OK...I admit maybe it just seems like 2 minutes...I think its that loading bar that they put on the bottom that seems like it never moves! ;) The game looks, sounds and plays literally *killer*, but those loads, ugh.
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Hasn't Blizzard been pretty good about having rather low entry requirements for their games not like FPS's, say like a HL2 where when it came out you had to have a top of the line machine to run it?  I remember you kind of had some old hardware before but you have a nice PC now, I bet you wouldn't have any problem.  If it doesn't come out till 2008 or something I sure we will all need a new machine by then.


Well, Blizzard has been good about it...but not in the way you're thinking. I mean, they never purposely tried to make a game that was so low on requirements, it's just that all their games have been sprite-based, which is something even a P1 can push pretty well. Diablo III, according to all rumors, is going to be 3D-based...and if you just look at the system requirements it takes to run Titan Quest really well, you'll see where it's heading.

Back to HL2, believe it or not, it's really scalable. A lot moreso than Doom 3 or Quake IV(even though QIV is more scalable than Doom 3), but even there you *do* have to have a decent amount of power to run HL2...and a SHITLOAD to run it very well.

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Just out of curiosity, have you watched the third MK movie?  That one is supposed to be a real turd (I actually liked the first two).


As far as I know, there is no third MK movie. There have been rumors for years, and just a while back Robin Shou released some info on it saying that he won't be in it, and that it's centered around Sub-Zero(for some reason), but even then Threshold refuses to comment and continues to deny that it's being produced.

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OK...I admit maybe it just seems like 2 minutes...I think its that loading bar that they put on the bottom that seems like it never moves! ;)  The game looks, sounds and plays literally *killer*, but those loads, ugh.


Oh, I don't blame you, there are loads where it's well over 1 minute...and just sitting there staring at the slow-ass bar move its way across the screen, it seems more like 3. ;) I just wish they could have gotten the loads down to *just* twice a level. That'd of been more than acceptable to me based on the level of quality the game was kicking out. Thing is, back when this came out, all I had was the iMac, and SoF wasn't out on it. I had only played it on my girlfriend's PC, so when it hit DC I was fucking thrilled! Nowadays, *anyone* can run SoF1, so it's hard to cut the DC version much slack... :(

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Well, Blizzard has been good about it...but not in the way you're thinking. I mean, they never purposely tried to make a game that was so low on requirements, it's just that all their games have been sprite-based, which is something even a P1 can push pretty well. Diablo III, according to all rumors, is going to be 3D-based...and if you just look at the system requirements it takes to run Titan Quest really well, you'll see where it's heading.


Well, seeing how Titan Quest ran on my brother's machine, I would think an upgrade might be in order, it ran but it was probably between a low and medium level. As a matter of fact, he had to turn the settings down from the machine recommended settings, is that pretty common?

As far as being 3-D, it will have to be 3-D people would go crazy if its not.

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Back to HL2, believe it or not, it's really scalable. A lot moreso than Doom 3 or Quake IV(even though QIV is more scalable than Doom 3), but even there you *do* have to have a decent amount of power to run HL2...and a SHITLOAD to run it very well.


Wow, that sounds cool! I know my friend had a ton of problems trying to run it (well that Steam thing) with only a dial up account. I take it that it can't be played even single player without a broadband account (which isn't a problem for me). I know your anti-Starforce, what about this Steam thing? It won't fuck up your computer will it?

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As far as I know, there is no third MK movie. There have been rumors for years, and just a while back Robin Shou released some info on it saying that he won't be in it, and that it's centered around Sub-Zero(for some reason), but even then Threshold refuses to comment and continues to deny that it's being produced.


Oh, I must have been thinking of the second movie being bad...I know I've seen that and it wasn't nearly as good as the first but it wasn't that bad. But maybe I just have a high tolerance for cheesy movies! ;)

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Nowadays, *anyone* can run SoF1, so it's hard to cut the DC version much slack.


You know, I would really like to have that one! It would look pretty kick ass on my machine I bet. I heard something called Delta Force is alot like SoF (very realistic gore, stealth) but I have never tried it.

SoF II for XB, its OK, it just not as run and gun and not as fun as SoF I to me.
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Well, seeing how Titan Quest ran on my brother's machine, I would think an upgrade might be in order, it ran but it was probably between a low and medium level.  As a matter of fact, he had to turn the settings down from the machine recommended settings, is that pretty common?


Yeah, the "auto detection" of quality for most games is *way* off. It's either way, way, way too high, or just a bit on the low side. It's a good starting place because if it's too high, you can start scaling down, if it's too low, you can start moving up...but both from a middlepoint.

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As far as being 3-D, it will have to be 3-D people would go crazy if its not.


Agreed. I may even be in that group. ;)

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Wow, that sounds cool!  I know my friend had a ton of problems trying to run it (well that Steam thing) with only a dial up account.  I take it that it can't be played even single player without a broadband account (which isn't a problem for me).  I know your anti-Starforce, what about this Steam thing?  It won't fuck up your computer will it?


Half Life 2 can be configured to run without connecting to Steam everytime, though I've never tried it. The thing with Steam is, they want to *force* updates on you, no matter if you want them or not, and you *can't* play the game until they are downloaded and installed. Steam doesn't really pump out the bandwidth quite as much as you'd assume either, which is where you get all these complaints of it taking forever. On a dial up connection, I would recommend holding off on getting HL2 for PC until you can get a BB connection...or just get it on Xbox instead. As for it messing up you computer, I haven't heard of any reports of it doing that. Plus, you don't have to have it start up everytime, I have it set so that it only comes up when I bring up a Steam-based game.

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Oh, I must have been thinking of the second movie being bad...I know I've seen that and it wasn't nearly as good as the first but it wasn't that bad.  But maybe I just have a high tolerance for cheesy movies! ;)


Annihilation? Fuck yeah, that was *terrible*. When I first saw it in the theatre I thought I was going to puke. I came away thinking, "Well, at least the fight scenes were pretty cool.", but going back and watching them again on DVD, they're not that great.

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You know, I would really like to have that one!  It would look pretty kick ass on my machine I bet.  I heard something called Delta Force is alot like SoF (very realistic gore, stealth) but I have never tried it.


Yeah, I've heard of DF as well..but have yet to try it. I want to though. As for SoF running, yeah, it definitely will. Also, you can get any version of SoF(regular, Gold or Platinum) for $5 and under most places(even new). Don't worry about what version you're getting, the only thing Gold and Platinum add are more multiplayer maps and a preview of SoF II.

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SoF II for XB, its OK, it just not as run and gun and not as fun as SoF I to me.


Well, they took the game in a completely different direction leaning more towards pseudo-realism, and that's quite a bit different than the arcade-like play of part 1. I liked it...a lot, but I can see why some didn't.

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