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game shopping; the thread that should never end...
Topic Started: Oct 17 2005, 03:55 PM (21,692 Views)
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I disagree, memory cards are a thing of the past at least proprietary ones should be I hope.  Doesn't Wii use like SD cards now? 

Not sure on what the Wii uses. I agree that memory cards should really be a thing of the past, but the reality is that they're not. I mean, look at MS, they are now releasing a 512 meg(or is it 256?) memory card to reflect the new, higher limit on XBLA content.

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Having a hard drive for game saves really isn't all that important but if your going to be downloading content its pretty much a necessity. 

I agree...but the thing is, MS still wants to try to get people with a core unit to buy XBLA stuff. The fact that, now, you can download something and then delete it...and still have the opportunity to re-download it and not be charged again is really helping them with the memory card bullshit. Due to this, people with the core unit really could buy that 512 meg card(or 256, whatever it is) and not only buy content, but delete older content without fear of losing it for all time in order to get a new game.

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I know with the XBox, I never even used a fraction of its capacity because I never used it for anything but game saves and maybe a few CD's burned to it.

Oh yeah, I've *never* cracked the "50,000 blocks remaining" thing on it. I knew a guy, who knew a guy who actually did it....said it took like a bazillion CDs but he finally got it to go under 50,000 blocks. Now that's determination! ;)

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I'm sure they will start carrying at least like new releases pretty soon.  I can remember when they first started carrying DVD's thats what they did, no real library of older stuff for sure.

HD DVD and Blu-Ray sales are on the rise, so they're going to have to start it up soon or they're going to be missing a lot of sales with people going to Netflix to get them. I mean, you *can* get HD DVD stuff from BB Online, but the thing is, the gimmick with that service(that would make one want to use it over Netflix) is that you can return the movie to the store and get one from the store as well....and since they don't have HD DVD stuff in the store, why bother?

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(sorry, have to do this when it's the first post of a new page...nothing shows up until another post is made. Will delete it when another post comes in)


I wonder why that is, that always bugs me.

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Not sure on what the Wii uses. I agree that memory cards should really be a thing of the past, but the reality is that they're not. I mean, look at MS, they are now releasing a 512 meg(or is it 256?) memory card to reflect the new, higher limit on XBLA content.


Yeah, thats cool, if its 4 or 8 times bigger it probably be $50, the 20 GB Hard Drive is $100. I guess when I look at the core system compared to the premium system is that its such a better value with the hard drive, cables, controller, it will cost you alot more to buy it later.

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Oh yeah, I've *never* cracked the "50,000 blocks remaining" thing on it. I knew a guy, who knew a guy who actually did it....said it took like a bazillion CDs but he finally got it to go under 50,000 blocks. Now that's determination!


Thats crazy! It is really cool to be able to listen to downloaded music in games. I never took advantage of it as much as I should have. Played with it some in GTA III which was really cool.

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the gimmick with that service(that would make one want to use it over Netflix) is that you can return the movie to the store and get one from the store as well....and since they don't have HD DVD stuff in the store, why bother?


Ha, that is pretty bad! How much does one of those mail rental things go for a month anyway?
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I wonder why that is, that always bugs me.

I don't know...and it always seemed to happen when David J would post, and I just couldn't figure it out. At first I thought he was posting something, then deleting it as I could see he was the last poster on a thread, but I couldn't see the post. It's just one of those odd Invision quirks I guess. Fuck it, it's free...;)

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Yeah, thats cool, if its 4 or 8 times bigger it probably be $50, the 20 GB Hard Drive is $100.  I guess when I look at the core system compared to the premium system is that its such a better value with the hard drive, cables, controller, it will cost you alot more to buy it later.

Exactly. That's why it's good that MS had it still available. That way, intelligent people win because they know, like you said, that the extra $100 for the Premium system is a fuck of a great deal, so they're happy. Then, MS is happy when people buy the Core and then drop $150 to $200 to get the pieces that they would have gotten if they had bought the Premium. Finally, both MS and the customer can be happy because the 360 can be had for "under $300", a full $200 to $300 less than the PS3.

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Thats crazy!  It is really cool to be able to listen to downloaded music in games.  I never took advantage of it as much as I should have.  Played with it some in GTA III which was really cool.

The GTA series was always the one I got the most use out of the custom soundtrack feature. Other games, like Test Drive, it got quite a few miles out of with the CS as well. It's a great feature, I just wish that *every* game allowed for it.

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Ha, that is pretty bad!  How much does one of those mail rental things go for a month anyway?

Not sure about BB Online, but my mom and Grimshade both use Netflix and the 3 out, unlimited per month deal is $17.99(I think). They have other plans where you can get just one out at time time, and it's cheaper, and they have one where you can get up to 5 out as well. With HD DVDs being so expensive, I'll probably rely on them to enjoy the films until the price finally drops(plus, the HD DVD player upscales older films, so I'm still good there as well).

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Finally, both MS and the customer can be happy because the 360 can be had for "under $300", a full $200 to $300 less than the PS3.


OK, you convinced me, the core system doesn't need to die I guess.

Oh, one thing, couldn't they just put a certain amount of memory on the motherboard, ala Saturn and SCD? I always thought that was nice. The amount of saves you could put on your SS was as amazing as the SCDs was pitiful! ;)

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It's a great feature, I just wish that *every* game allowed for it.


No doubt, to cover up some that garbage EA calls music!

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Not sure about BB Online, but my mom and Grimshade both use Netflix and the 3 out, unlimited per month deal is $17.99(I think).


Thats not bad at all! I mean a single rental at a Blockbuster store is like $4 right, sounds pretty good if your a big movie watcher and rent two or three titles a week you would save alot of money.
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OK, you convinced me, the core system doesn't need to die I guess.

I just serves its purpose to well to kill it off. $300 for a new system isn't bad...$400 is getting there....$500 is questionable...$600 is right out, you know? ;)

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Oh, one thing, couldn't they just put a certain amount of memory on the motherboard, ala Saturn and SCD?  I always thought that was nice.  The amount of saves you could put on your SS was as amazing as the SCDs was pitiful! ;)

They could, they definitely could. Thing is, Sony wouldn't do it because they were making too much money peddling off those bullshit 128k memory cards, and Sega did the same with the VMU(though I'd argue that the VMU was a better value for the money as it had the LCD screen which was used in-game on a lot of titles, and even just on its own on a lot of downloadable mini games).

MS's approach with the Xbox was to quit dicking around with the low on-board memory and go for the gold with a 10 gig hard drive. They offered a memory unit so you could backup or transfer saves, profiles, etc. to others Xboxs....but that didn't work out so well as they didn't mandate that all third parties make their game's saveable data compatible with it(some games, like Dead or Alive 3, you can't save on the MU at all).

The 360 sort of takes this back a step as they went back to being dependent on MUs for the Core owners....but also keeping the MU around so that Premium owners could transfer saves, download stuff at 360 kiosks, etc.

Not sure how the PS2 memory card front went. I've heard that if you don't have any sports games, one 8 meg card can last quite a while though...

The SCD had a decent amount of memory built in...the thing is, some games like Dark Wizard and Shining Force ate almost all of it up on *one* save. Hell, even Lunar and Lunar II didn't take that much. Most SCD games take around 2 to 10 blocks.

The Saturn had way more though, and even though I got my Saturn Memory Cart early in its lifespan(it was on sale at Software Etc so I grabbed it) I could have gone a lot longer without it if need be. Still, I think every Saturn(and SCD) owner needs a Memory Cart to enjoy a good amount of titles.

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No doubt, to cover up some that garbage EA calls music!

About the only EA game I have on the Xbox is BurnOut 3 and I like the music on it...but I have heard that a lot of their other stuff is pretty bad.

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Thats not bad at all!  I mean a single rental at a Blockbuster store is like $4 right, sounds pretty good if your a big movie watcher and rent two or three titles a week you would save alot of money.

Yeah, that's why the service has just blown up in this huge pile of money, and you see BB trying to copy it, along with other newcomers like "Flix and Games", etc.

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I just serves its purpose to well to kill it off. $300 for a new system isn't bad...$400 is getting there....$500 is questionable...$600 is right out, you know?


Its all about price...just look at the DS and the PS2. Then again you could look at Gamecube thats even cheaper than either of them and it doesn't sell but I guess thats what you get when you release 10 games a year for the thing.

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as they didn't mandate that all third parties make their game's saveable data compatible with it(some games, like Dead or Alive 3, you can't save on the MU at all).


When my XBox got the DRE, I could not get any, noooone, of my saves of it even with a memory card. I had a couple of those Mad Catz cheapies and that wouldn't work and then I even bought a MS memory card and that didn't work either! I heard you had a similar trama, IT SUCKS! :O

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Not sure how the PS2 memory card front went. I've heard that if you don't have any sports games, one 8 meg card can last quite a while though...


They are actually pretty good. I think I had over 30 games before I had to get a second one. Those 16 block PS1 cards were the joke though, man they were bad.

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Most SCD games take around 2 to 10 blocks.


I would manage to fill it up where I would have to delete stuff when I would play a bunch of games. Thing is (its this way for stuff even now), alot of the games I wouldn't even care if I had a save or not because its like an arcade style game.

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Yeah, that's why the service has just blown up in this huge pile of money, and you see BB trying to copy it, along with other newcomers like "Flix and Games", etc.


No doubt. I can never see myself using something like GameFly though, I like to play the same title for a long time and almost never play a game you can blow through in 8 hours or something.
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Its all about price...just look at the DS and the PS2.  Then again you could look at Gamecube thats even cheaper than either of them and it doesn't sell but I guess thats what you get when you release 10 games a year for the thing.

Not to mention when you market it to kids. Kids *always* want the newest, bestest thing out there, you know? You could hand them a PS3 a mere 3 days before the PS4 came out and they'd be happy as fuck about it...then the second the PS4 hits they hate the PS3 and won't play it anymore. ;)

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When my XBox got the DRE, I could not get any, noooone, of my saves of it even with a memory card.  I had a couple of those Mad Catz cheapies and that wouldn't work and then I even bought a MS memory card and that didn't work either!  I heard you had a similar trama, IT SUCKS! :O

None of them? Man, that almost makes me think you were having hard drive issues on top of your DRE issues. Unless you're just extremely unlucky in the games you play, the chances were that, at least, one of them would have allows you to copy the saved game data onto the MU via the Xbox Memory Manger. Now, it's important to note that you can't click on just the title of the game and get it to copy. You have to click on the sub-files inside the that title. Like, for example, on MK:D. There's the MK:D save and inside it are the various profiles you've saved. You have to click on the profile to get it to transfer to the MU.

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They are actually pretty good.  I think I had over 30 games before I had to get a second one.  Those 16 block PS1 cards were the joke though, man they were bad.

Yeah, they sucks ass. I must have 4 or 5 of the motherfuckers...

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I would manage to fill it up where I would have to delete stuff when I would play a bunch of games.  Thing is (its this way for stuff even now), alot of the games I wouldn't even care if I had a save or not because its like an arcade style game.

Plus, a lot of SCD games didn't save anything to the internal memory. I know what you mean, though, I *had* to buy the SCD Memory Cart because I got Dark Wizard and Shining Force.

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No doubt.  I can never see myself using something like GameFly though, I like to play the same title for a long time and almost never play a game you can blow through in 8 hours or something.

Some people just like to fly through a game...I don't get it, but they just do. For me, the reason I'll be using GameFly at some point down the line is for that Xbox project I'm doing and I'll need to examine every single Xbox game out there.

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Not to mention when you market it to kids. Kids *always* want the newest, bestest thing out there, you know? You could hand them a PS3 a mere 3 days before the PS4 came out and they'd be happy as fuck about it...then the second the PS4 hits they hate the PS3 and won't play it anymore.


I'm lucky, I told Nora I was getting another Gamecube and she was stoked on it. Of course she wanted to get the new Zelda too. I think I'm going to try to pick up a refurb but I need to check to make sure its the model with the Digital Video out.

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Now, it's important to note that you can't click on just the title of the game and get it to copy. You have to click on the sub-files inside the that title. Like, for example, on MK:D. There's the MK:D save and inside it are the various profiles you've saved. You have to click on the profile to get it to transfer to the MU.


I tried everything I could have thought of but nothing worked. Man, I hope I wasn't doing it wrong! ;) LOL

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Plus, a lot of SCD games didn't save anything to the internal memory. I know what you mean, though, I *had* to buy the SCD Memory Cart because I got Dark Wizard and Shining Force.


Yeah, I knew to get it when I got Shining Force, I think I got it from Sega-Parts when you still find goodies like that there.

I need to get some SCD's now that I have the Genesis 2/SCD unit hooked up.

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For me, the reason I'll be using GameFly at some point down the line is for that Xbox project I'm doing and I'll need to examine every single Xbox game out there.


No way, wow that seems like a big project. Gonna be playing Barbies Horse Adventures huh? You don't have to hide it, no reason to be ashamed. : jk

You really think they will have *every* XBox title available to rent...if they had 75% of them I would think that would be pretty good.
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You really think they will have *every* XBox title available to rent...if they had 75% of them I would think that would be pretty good.

Heck even if they only have 30%, that's still a mighty big head start on the project.
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I'm lucky, I told Nora I was getting another Gamecube and she was stoked on it.  Of course she wanted to get the new Zelda too.  I think I'm going to try to pick up a refurb but I need to check to make sure its the model with the Digital Video out.

That new Zelda does look great, and if I had a choice I'd get the GC version just so I could play it with a controller. Now, on this model with the DV out, there are different model GCs? Hmmmm, interesting...

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I tried everything I could have thought of but nothing worked.  Man, I hope I wasn't doing it wrong! ;)  LOL

Yeah, either the HD was having issues, you were extremely unlucky in the titles you had(in terms of them allowing for support of the MU) or you were doing it wrong. ;) Do you still have the Xbox? If so, if it'll at least come on(even if I can't read discs) you can try to backup your saves again once you get into the Xbox MM. :)

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Yeah, I knew to get it when I got Shining Force, I think I got it from Sega-Parts when you still find goodies like that there.

Fucking SF, it takes pretty much *all* of the SCD's internal memory to save *one* game. I couldn't fucking believe it. Still, great game...I love it!

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I need to get some SCD's now that I have the Genesis 2/SCD unit hooked up.

Yeah man, there's a lot of great titles out there for the SCD.

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No way, wow that seems like a big project.  Gonna be playing Barbies Horse Adventures huh?  You don't have to hide it, no reason to be ashamed.  : jk

It's a monster, that's for sure. Will most likely take years to finish it...but hell, I don't have much else to do. ;)

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You really think they will have *every* XBox title available to rent...if they had 75% of them I would think that would be pretty good.

No, they only have 897(I believe) titles available for the Xbox...and I'm pretty sure the total count is around 1000. Still, that's a great percentage and a great start. I'm sure I can round the others up in one way or another...

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You really think they will have *every* XBox title available to rent...if they had 75% of them I would think that would be pretty good.

Heck even if they only have 30%, that's still a mighty big head start on the project.

It'll be really nice, because I can probably go through around 15 to 20 games a month, allowing for return shipping, etc.

Once I finally get into it, it'll go quickly...I just need to get my ass in gear and do it before they start ditching all their Xbox games. ;)

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Speaking of, Ben, how goes your DC project?

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Now, on this model with the DV out, there are different model GCs? Hmmmm, interesting...


Yeah, middle of 2004 Nintendo removed the DV out on the GC. They said that 99% of people never used it, well they never sold it in stores you could only get the cable online. According to their website, 90% of the titles do support progressive scan though. It shouldn't be too hard to find, I almost jumped on one but I figure I try to get a refurb before I get a used one, probably next week.

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Fucking SF, it takes pretty much *all* of the SCD's internal memory to save *one* game. I couldn't fucking believe it. Still, great game...I love it!


It is awesome but I think I like the Genesis versions better, no story to speak of on the SCD one.

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No, they only have 897(I believe) titles available for the Xbox...and I'm pretty sure the total count is around 1000. Still, that's a great percentage and a great start. I'm sure I can round the others up in one way or another...


So, whats the gist of your project? Sounds interesting.
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Yeah, middle of 2004 Nintendo removed the DV out on the GC.  They said that 99% of people never used it, well they never sold it in stores you could only get the cable online.  According to their website, 90% of the titles do support progressive scan though.  It shouldn't be too hard to find, I almost jumped on one but I figure I try to get a refurb before I get a used one, probably next week.

I love that, "99% of the people never used it". Shit, that's kind of like going "99% of the people never used the Zero Tolerance System Link Cable" on the Genesis or something. Fucking Nintendo, if they'd of sold it in stores people most likely would have bought it!

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It is awesome but I think I like the Genesis versions better, no story to speak of on the SCD one.

The SCD version is a compilation of the two Game Gear SF games. They updated the graphics, music and I think added a few more characters. I don't remember much about it, it's been years and years since I played it, but even without a story I just loved the strategic RPG combat in it.

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So, whats the gist of your project?  Sounds interesting.

I'm going through every Xbox game and documenting their features. What res they support, how much memory on your HD they take up, are they compatible with the MU, etc. You'd be surprised at how often the back of a game's box is wrong(it's A LOT). Here's what I've got so far:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming...p?showtopic=887

At some point I'll put it in a section on the site, but right now I just don't have enough title to do it...so I'm sort of using the forums to house its titles for now. See what you think...

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Speaking of, Ben, how goes your DC project?

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eh - running into problems here and there

ran out of hard disk space on my 160 gb drive (and i don't want to clutter my C drive) so i just got an external 500 gb one. that should keep me good for a while.

Secondly my host has had my site down for 75% of the time over the last month or so (despite repeated chats with their tech support people) - I've finally given them an ultimatum - fix it permanently within 24 hours and give me 2 months hosting credit for the bullcrap I've put up with or I close my account.

I'm moving hosting anyway, but it would be nice to have something that works while i'm still transferring files.

Anyway, I've got all the games and it's just a matter of doing the scans and writeups and stuff - I've been taking lots of video... about a third of it so far has been uploaded to youtube - don't worry there will still be downloadable versions available too.

I've also enlisted the help of a certain special someone for some art and writing, but further details on that are hush hush at the present time.
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eh - running into problems here and there

ran out of hard disk space on my 160 gb drive (and i don't want to clutter my C drive) so i just got an external 500 gb one.  that should keep me good for a while.

Yeah, video has a way of eating up HD space unlike anything else. My dad really wants to get into video editing and he thinks he's going to get away with doing it on a 120 gig HD or something. I keep telling him, go for a 300 gig drive or higher. ;)

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Secondly my host has had my site down for 75% of the time over the last month or so (despite repeated chats with their tech support people) - I've finally given them an ultimatum - fix it permanently within 24 hours and give me 2 months hosting credit for the bullcrap I've put up with or I close my account.

I hate hosting problems. Even though I don't make any money off WAG, I still get upset when the site is down, or has issues. PM me if you want to jump on the Netfirms things(that coupon code I have that gets you the first year for just $10).

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I'm moving hosting anyway, but it would be nice to have something that works while i'm still transferring files.

Oh yeah, everytime I've moved WAG I've had overlapping hosting going on. It's nice, like you said, to have it still running while you're in the process of moving.

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Anyway, I've got all the games and it's just a matter of doing the scans and writeups and stuff - I've been taking lots of video... about a third of it so far has been uploaded to youtube - don't worry there will still be downloadable versions available too.

Solid. Shit, with that 6 billion lawsuit Viacom is hitting them with...I wonder how much longer before YouTube starts putting each video through a long-ass "processing" wait as they comb over it for any sign of any sort of copyright info.

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I've also enlisted the help of a certain special someone for some art and writing, but  further details on that are hush hush at the present time.

Is it Zach Meston? Please tell me it's Zach!!! ;)

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Secondly my host has had my site down for 75% of the time over the last month or so (despite repeated chats with their tech support people) - I've finally given them an ultimatum - fix it permanently within 24 hours and give me 2 months hosting credit for the bullcrap I've put up with or I close my account.

I hate hosting problems. Even though I don't make any money off WAG, I still get upset when the site is down, or has issues. PM me if you want to jump on the Netfirms things(that coupon code I have that gets you the first year for just $10).

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I'm moving hosting anyway, but it would be nice to have something that works while i'm still transferring files.

Oh yeah, everytime I've moved WAG I've had overlapping hosting going on. It's nice, like you said, to have it still running while you're in the process of moving.

Well, my site's working again and they've given me one month hosting credit - that should be enough time to get me over to the new host and give these guys a nice F U letter once it's completed.
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