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game shopping; the thread that should never end...
Topic Started: Oct 17 2005, 03:55 PM (21,691 Views)
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Mar 17 2007, 08:59 AM
Well, my site's working again and they've given me one month hosting credit - that should be enough time to get me over to the new host and give these guys a nice F U letter once it's completed.

lol down again...

i can't move fast enough... thankfully i'm just about done with my uploading and i can submit the DNS changes.
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Aside from my recent and random PC-Engine acquisitions of Operation Wolf (thought it was Bloody Wolf, doh!), Strider Hiryu ACD, and Populous the Promised Lands, I landed something else of fair significance. A friend of mine in town who frequents the pawn shops called me and said that he was having guests over and wanted to unload some stuff on me. $60 later I have Steel Battalion (Complete) with the massive and necessary dual sticks and pedals (let's just call it a cockpit shall we?) but without the giant crate they came in, another Virtua Racing Wheel for my Saturn (So that when "whee" grows up we can play Sega Rally and Daytona), and possibly more significantly a NEO GEO MVS board with Samurai Shodown.
While Superguns are prohibitively expensive, I know that I will get around to hooking this MVS board up sometime soon. Samurai Shodown is my favorite NEO GEO game as well, so it'll be worth it when I do. Next to that is the fact that MVS carts are relatively cheap. Gotta love the random hundreds of dollar saving windfalls. Hot diggity.
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lol down again...

i can't move fast enough... thankfully i'm just about done with my uploading and i can submit the DNS changes.

Thankfully DNS changes don't take the 72 hours they used to, nowadays I usually see them done in about 24. Still, it's good to get away from those assholes. Who was the company, btw, just so I can avoid them(and let others know as well)?

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Aside from my recent and random PC-Engine acquisitions of Operation Wolf (thought it was Bloody Wolf, doh!),

Argh, yeah, that would suck...especially since it's on TL1. :(

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Strider Hiryu ACD, and Populous the Promised Lands, I landed something else of fair significance.

What is "ACD"? Arcade card CD rom?

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A friend of mine in town who frequents the pawn shops called me and said that he was having guests over and wanted to unload some stuff on me.

I do love calls like that. ;)

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$60 later I have Steel Battalion (Complete) with the massive and necessary dual sticks and pedals (let's just call it a cockpit shall we?) but without the giant crate they came in,

Wow, that's awesome. I've seen the crate once, but I've never seen it out of the crate. Hey, you can now get part two which is on Xbox Live, and I hear there's a pretty good following of people who play it pretty seriously.

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another Virtua Racing Wheel for my Saturn (So that when "whee" grows up we can play Sega Rally and Daytona),

That's wild, I didn't realize that you could use two on the games...I figured they'd cut you off at one.

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and possibly more significantly a NEO GEO MVS board with Samurai Shodown.

Ah, you dirty motherfucker!!! That is fucking awesome dude! The MVS is the one that you just remove the carts from and add others, right? I think Ted has one, in RGVS, so if you run into any issues I'm sure he could help you out. Again, great find on that!

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While Superguns are prohibitively expensive, I know that I will get around to hooking this MVS board up sometime soon.  Samurai Shodown is my favorite NEO GEO game as well, so it'll be worth it when I do.  Next to that is the fact that MVS carts are relatively cheap.  Gotta love the random hundreds of dollar saving windfalls.  Hot diggity.

So, all of that for $60!? Was the guy on crack or what? ;)

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What is "ACD"? Arcade card CD rom?


Correct. I think that it is worth mentioning because if it was an original the thing functioned with just 64k of RAM, or it was a Super CD it had 256KB and the friggin ACD has 2048KB or some such. These RAM differences Basically ought to amount to totally different a caliber of gaming.


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That's wild, I didn't realize that you could use two on the games...I figured they'd cut you off at one.


I assumed it would take two, why wouldn't it?

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Ah, you dirty motherfucker!!! That is fucking awesome dude! The MVS is the one that you just remove the carts from and add others, right? I think Ted has one, in RGVS, so if you run into any issues I'm sure he could help you out. Again, great find on that!

So, all of that for $60!? Was the guy on crack or what? ;)


He has an AES Neo GEO modded for component output, and his Supergun only does A.V and S-Video. He just wanted to clean up his cost for the things he found, said he was sick of them cluttering his place up (he has duplicates of each). I think he's just jim dandy.

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Correct.  I think that it is worth mentioning because if it was an original the thing functioned with just 64k of RAM, or it was a Super CD it had 256KB and the friggin ACD has 2048KB or some such.  These RAM differences Basically ought to amount to totally different a caliber of gaming.

Wow, yeah, that's a shitload of ram!

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I assumed it would take two, why wouldn't it?

I don't know, I just figured they'd take the lazy approach and make it so that only one wheel would work, and the other person would have to use a controller. Kudos to Sega for going for the gold and allowing for two wheels. That's the old school Sega I still love. :)

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He has an AES Neo GEO modded for component output, and his Supergun only does A.V and S-Video.  He just wanted to clean up his cost for the things he found, said he was sick of them cluttering his place up (he has duplicates of each).  I think he's just jim dandy. 

Hell yeah, after that deal I would think so as well. ;)

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Awesome! I was figuring it'd be a video of you taking a sledgehammer to it or something. ;) Great work man, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it! If you're still having issues with the video capture, just PM me...some stuff has come up to where it's not going to be as necessary that I get it, as I had originally thought it'd be. :)

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Wow, yeah, that's a shitload of ram!


Gads, I wasn't even drinking when I wrote that, what the heck? But yeah, that 2MB of RAM really shows a difference (compared to other PCE games), the Sega CD only had 768KB in comparison. From what I understand though, it's more like CD-ROM cache than RAM. But they do say that the extra memory can hold things like animation and special sprites, but the original 256KB from the Super CD card has is what is actually directly connected to the video out. It's confusing.

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I don't know, I just figured they'd take the lazy approach and make it so that only one wheel would work, and the other person would have to use a controller. Kudos to Sega for going for the gold and allowing for two wheels. That's the old school Sega I still love. :)


Well, I hope it works. I'm pretty sure that I've used a 3D pad and the wheel at the same time, and some games just detect them both as wheels. That ought to be fairly conclusive.

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Awesome! I was figuring it'd be a video of you taking a sledgehammer to it or something. ;)  Great work man, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it! If you're still having issues with the video capture, just PM me...some stuff has come up to where it's not going to be as necessary that I get it, as I had originally thought it'd be. :)

Thanks again!

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I'm glad that I finally got around to it. As for the videos, it's a no go for now. I would have to record them in segments of 8 mins or less in order to keep the audio in sync. That takes a freaking lot of time. One thing that you might be interested in looking into is a stand alone DVD burner. Those things take video inputs and you can record to DVD-R with just a click of a button. My sister has one and it got my wedding video over to DVD without me having to mess with anything. Now if I can just figure out how to get Avid Free DV to upload these files so I can edit and make it into a decent video. ;)
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Well, I didn't get any games but I did get a couple of cables in prep for my big upgrade to an HDTV. First, I got the Advanced HDTV Pack for XBox for $40 used, it did come with the included component cable that originally included in the box though. Second, I got the component cable that Nintendo sold but that cost me $60, but you can't find this thing anywhere, it seems like no one even makes a third party cable that I could find. I did find some bootleg looking Advanced HDTV Packs, instead of saying XBox on them they just say Box, they might have been alright but I didn't want to take a chance on it.
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Gads, I wasn't even drinking when I wrote that, what the heck?  But yeah, that 2MB of RAM really shows a difference (compared to other PCE games), the Sega CD only had 768KB in comparison.  From what I understand though, it's more like CD-ROM cache than RAM.  But they do say that the extra memory can hold things like animation and special sprites, but the original 256KB from the Super CD card has is what is actually directly connected to the video out.  It's confusing.

Sounds like it.

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Well, I hope it works.  I'm pretty sure that I've used a 3D pad and the wheel at the same time, and some games just detect them both as wheels.  That ought to be fairly conclusive.

I'd be interested in hearing how it goes.

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I'm glad that I finally got around to it.  As for the videos, it's a no go for now.  I would have to record them in segments of 8 mins or less in order to keep the audio in sync.  That takes a freaking lot of time.  One thing that you might be interested in looking into is a stand alone DVD burner.  Those things take video inputs and you can record to DVD-R with just a click of a button.  My sister has one and it got my wedding video over to DVD without me having to mess with anything.  Now if I can just figure out how to get Avid Free DV to upload these files so I can edit and make it into a decent video.  ;)

If it can read VOB(DVD files) you can use DVD Shrink to extract them and then edit them. Nero can do it, so can Dr Divx...so I'd imagine the Avid thing would be able to as well.

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Well, I didn't get any games but I did get a couple of cables in prep for my big upgrade to an HDTV.  First, I got the Advanced HDTV Pack for XBox for $40 used, it did come with the included component cable that originally included in the box though.

That's great! Yeah, the second batch of AHDTV packs for the Xbox didn't come with the component cables, so it's nice that you got one that did. Wait until you see what a huge difference 480p and widescreen makes on some of these games. Fucking BurnOut 3 is amazing!

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Second, I got the component cable that Nintendo sold but that cost me $60, but you can't find this thing anywhere, it seems like no one even makes a third party cable that I could find.  I did find some bootleg looking Advanced HDTV Packs, instead of saying XBox on them they just say Box, they might have been alright but I didn't want to take a chance on it.

That's the smart choice. I've heard of issues with the third party cables...

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That's great! Yeah, the second batch of AHDTV packs for the Xbox didn't come with the component cables, so it's nice that you got one that did. Wait until you see what a huge difference 480p and widescreen makes on some of these games. Fucking BurnOut 3 is amazing!


Yeah, I'm pretty stoked on hooking it up. Probably be a little while before I get a new TV but I can hook up the 480p on 4:3 SDTV with component, never done that before.

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That's the smart choice. I've heard of issues with the third party cables...


There was like a combo cable that had the GC tail on it and component but it was supposed to be screwed up. I think because it used the regular video out instead of the digital. The only down part of it is to find the first model Gamecube, which they made for half the time it was out, so shouldn't be too hard.
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Yeah, I'm pretty stoked on hooking it up.  Probably be a little while before I get a new TV but I can hook up the 480p on 4:3 SDTV with component, never done that before.

A component(480p) connection makes a huge difference, even if it is just on a 4:3 set. Removes scanlines all together and gives you solid color. It's nice.

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A component(480p) connection makes a huge difference, even if it is just on a 4:3 set. Removes scanlines all together and gives you solid color. It's nice.


You know, I have done it before on a machine or two but never released you had to set it in the menu...I just figured the cable did the work. It was like, I don't know, looks the same as S-Video to me. The lack of jaggies will be sweet though.

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You know, I have done it before on a machine or two but never released you had to set it in the menu...I just figured the cable did the work.  It was like, I don't know, looks the same as S-Video to me.  The lack of jaggies will be sweet though. 

Hmmmm, I'm unaware of any TVs that actually make you switch the signal to component via any sort of menu...but then again, the Sony HDTV is the first set I've ever had that's had component inputs.

The only thing you'll have to do with the Xbox, as far as I know, is make sure you have the Dashboard update that allows for 480p support(don't worry about that, even if you didn't have Live, most games contain the update on the disc) and then you do this weird bit of button pressing and bam(!), the dashboard is in 480p. From there, you can set the TV size in the Video settings menu and you're done.

You'll notice the difference immediately, like I said, there are *no* scanlines...it's just a solid wall of non-stop color and sharp graphics.

Quick note: Not every Xbox game will run in 480p, but they are pretty few and far between so don't worry about it too much...just know they are out there(Darkwatch, Ultimate Spider-Man, XGRA, Hitman 2 are a few examples).

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Hmmmm, I'm unaware of any TVs that actually make you switch the signal to component via any sort of menu...but then again, the Sony HDTV is the first set I've ever had that's had component inputs.


Nah, I meant as far as enabling the console and the game itself. I know both the GC and the PS2 you either have to go in the setup and/or do some button pressing while starting up the game.

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The only thing you'll have to do with the Xbox, as far as I know, is make sure you have the Dashboard update that allows for 480p support(don't worry about that, even if you didn't have Live, most games contain the update on the disc) and then you do this weird bit of button pressing and bam(!), the dashboard is in 480p. From there, you can set the TV size in the Video settings menu and you're done.


Yeah, sort of like that, some sort of button pressing thing.

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You'll notice the difference immediately, like I said, there are *no* scanlines...it's just a solid wall of non-stop color and sharp graphics.


I think I would have noticed it had I ever done it right. Don't think I ever did, I was just under the impression that you had to have an HDTV I didn't know it had anything to do with the component cable.

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Quick note: Not every Xbox game will run in 480p, but they are pretty few and far between so don't worry about it too much...just know they are out there(Darkwatch, Ultimate Spider-Man, XGRA, Hitman 2 are a few examples).


So what happens when you try to run on...hopefully the machine doesn't catch on fire!
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Nah, I meant as far as enabling the console and the game itself.  I know both the GC and the PS2 you either have to go in the setup and/or do some button pressing while starting up the game.

Oh yeah, I see....you're right, a lot of PS2 games make you set the option in the game's options, which just annoys me to no end(and I don't even have a PS2).

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I think I would have noticed it had I ever done it right.  Don't think I ever did, I was just under the impression that you had to have an HDTV I didn't know it had anything to do with the component cable.

Back then there was no 480p...if you mentioned it, people would go "What the fuck?". Back then it was just "a component input" that gave off a stunning picture. Now with the need to have ever res labeled, it's 480p(as opposed to 480i, which would be your Xbox hooked up either AV or S-Video). Before HDTVs, component-equipped TVs were hard to come by unless you went for the top of the line models. Now, it's just standard and it's HTMI or VGA/DVI that's hard to come by unless you go for the top of the line model.

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So what happens when you try to run on...hopefully the machine doesn't catch on fire!

Nothing, the Xbox just simply displays it in 480i. Now, there are some games where you actually have to go into the Video settings and disable the two other resolutions(720p and 1080i) in order to get the game to run at all...but they are very rare and I can only think of one off the top of my head. This is why I'm doing that project, so we can document this goofiness...and because I'm bored out of my skull most times. ;)

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Back then there was no 480p...if you mentioned it, people would go "What the fuck?". Back then it was just "a component input" that gave off a stunning picture. Now with the need to have ever res labeled, it's 480p(as opposed to 480i, which would be your Xbox hooked up either AV or S-Video). Before HDTVs, component-equipped TVs were hard to come by unless you went for the top of the line models. Now, it's just standard and it's HTMI or VGA/DVI that's hard to come by unless you go for the top of the line model.


Mine was pretty nice, it had component and a couple of composites and s-videos in the back, plus a front compostite and s-video. My brother also has one but I didn't realize it didn't have all the inputs mine did, even though it looks exactly the same.

Having alot of fun looking at both TV's and sound systems, is fun! Thats the tough part is finding one with the necessary imputs. Like I was looking at Panasonic Home Theater in a Box (HTIB) things but it didn't have an optical input on it so I was like nope, can't do that one.

Might just get a reciever and a basic set of speakers instead, but the lower priced ones dont tend to have HDMI as far as recievers go.
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Mine was pretty nice, it had component and a couple of composites and s-videos in the back, plus a front compostite and s-video.  My brother also has one but I didn't realize it didn't have all the inputs mine did, even though it looks exactly the same.

The front S-Video jack is always a nice plus, I'm glad the HDTV has one as well(makes it easier when hooking the laptop up and whatnot).

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Having alot of fun looking at both TV's and sound systems, is fun!  Thats the tough part is finding one with the necessary imputs.  Like I was looking at Panasonic Home Theater in a Box (HTIB) things but it didn't have an optical input on it so I was like nope, can't do that one.

Yeesh, I had no idea they were still making receivers that didn't have optical inputs. That's scary. Mine has an optical and coaxial digital audio input. It works out really nice for me as the Xbox takes up the optical and the upscaling(and soon to be HD DVD player) takes up the coaxial. There are converters...but man, if you can go without them...;)

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Might just get a reciever and a basic set of speakers instead, but the lower priced ones dont tend to have HDMI as far as recievers go.

As far as I know, HDMI-equipped receivers really aren't a necessity simply because the entire point of HDMI is that is has both the audio and video signal in one cable. Were you to use that for your TV, you'd have to go in the TV, then out to the receiver(like I do). Thing is, you'll probably be using optical or coaxial out on the DVD player anyway, so it's all taken care of.

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The front S-Video jack is always a nice plus, I'm glad the HDTV has one as well(makes it easier when hooking the laptop up and whatnot).


Thats pretty wild, so what PC games to you play on your HDTV?

Also, how does that work, like a VGA with an S-Video in?

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Yeesh, I had no idea they were still making receivers that didn't have optical inputs. That's scary. Mine has an optical and coaxial digital audio input. It works out really nice for me as the Xbox takes up the optical and the upscaling(and soon to be HD DVD player) takes up the coaxial. There are converters...but man, if you can go without them...;)


Yeah, well I think sometimes the Home Theater in the Box things lack a few things that a regular reciever won't and then they include either an integrated DVD or DVD changer. I'm kind of leaning towards something similar: a package with a reciever, seperate DVD player and set of speakers (brands like Denon, Onyko, Yamaha and Sony). It looks like the components are pretty good quality and they scrimp on the speakers but the way I look at it, I would probably save three or four hundred dollars doing it that way and then I can get some better speakers down the road if I want to.

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As far as I know, HDMI-equipped receivers really aren't a necessity simply because the entire point of HDMI is that is has both the audio and video signal in one cable. Were you to use that for your TV, you'd have to go in the TV, then out to the receiver(like I do). Thing is, you'll probably be using optical or coaxial out on the DVD player anyway, so it's all taken care of.


Oh, OK. I definitely will keep that in mind. I found some really good deals on the package type thing I was talking about.

Whats up with that digital coaxial, pretty crazy, looks like a regular RCA plug to me not a coax like for a cable box or something.
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Thats pretty wild, so what PC games to you play on your HDTV?

The only PC game I've ever tried on the HDTV was Oblivion, and I wasn't real thrilled with my video card's component output. To be fair though, I did it soon after getting the HDTV so I may not have been doing it right.

Back when I had the iBook, Gen and I used to play MAME on the TV all the time. I have to iShock pads(they look just like PSX pads, but with more buttons), so it rocked.

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Also, how does that work, like a VGA with an S-Video in?

Yeah, S-Video...my Panasonic only has S-Video and AV(RCA), and then the HDTV has more...but not a VGA input, so I have to go with S-Video on it as well. I need to get around to getting an S-Video cable for the laptop so I can finally get some MAME going(already have the damn audio cables for it).

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Yeah, well I think sometimes the Home Theater in the Box things lack a few things that a regular reciever won't and then they include either an integrated DVD or DVD changer.  I'm kind of leaning towards something similar: a package with a reciever, seperate DVD player and set of speakers (brands like Denon, Onyko, Yamaha and Sony).  It looks like the components are pretty good quality and they scrimp on the speakers but the way I look at it, I would probably save three or four hundred dollars doing it that way and then I can get some better speakers down the road if I want to.

That'd be the way to go(especially the bit about a separate DVD player). Plus, and to be real honest with you, as long as the shit is loud...who cares, you know? Like, I've got two Bose speakers and then the center channel and two rear channels are Kenwoods(as is the receiver) and it's fine...it's damn loud and I love it. I could care less that they aren't the best speakers in the world, nor is the receiver the best ever. Trust me, once you get it setup and running...you'll probably feel the same way. :)

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Oh, OK.  I definitely will keep that in mind.  I found some really good deals on the package type thing I was talking about.

Solid.

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Whats up with that digital coaxial, pretty crazy, looks like a regular RCA plug to me not a coax like for a cable box or something.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they call it Coaxial...on the receiver the port is even more odd, calling itself "SPDIF". That stands for something, but I have no clue what. Essentially, both the optical and coaxial digital cables are fine...the optical has the edge, but I haven't noticed any difference in using the digital coaxial in terms of sound quality(cue an angry AVS member to jump in and go "It's probably because your receiver and speakers suck dick and you're tone deaf, and you're ugly. The new Sony receivers came out 28 seconds ago, they're only $50,000 why don't you just get one of those like EVERYONE on the AVS forum did! Idiot!"). ;)

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