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So Scott, impressions on your new 3DO and games?
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What games did you get with the unit, and how are they? Also, what model and brand of 3DO did you end up with?

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I got a Panasonic 3DO FZ-1 for $50, it's in pretty good condition. I've never actually held one of these things in my hands before. Seeing the production quality of the case itself, I can definitely see why some people think that it was worth $600+ back in the day. The top of the case has this marbled look, and the chiseled features of the rest of the case are just top notch.

The games, though, are another issue. I bought Samurai Shodown, Starblade, Total Eclipse and The Need for Speed, and I have tested Burning Soldier. Total Eclipse is basically Star Fox with generic feeling level design and nice texture mapping. I like rail shooters though, and it reminds me enough of Galaxy Force II that I enjoy playing it. Solar Eclipse on the Saturn is definitely better in every respect, but it also is a sequel with a couple of years of development time up on its predecessor.

Starblade is another rail shooter, real time by reputation, that features either flat shaded or (hawt new) texture mapped polygonal scenes and first person shooting. Immediately upon pressing the start button I could see without any doubt that Starblade's graphics are entirely FMV, with only smaller ships that fly around on the screen possibly being rendered by the 3DO. Essentially, Starblade is Silpheed with a first person view rather than an overhead one. Since Starblade is on the Sega CD as well, I can't consider this particularly well done on the 3DO even though the video quality is higher. Silpheed's backgrounds are so well designed that noticing that they are FMV rather than real time is much more difficult than Starblade, even on 3DO.

Samurai Shodown was a particular surprise. While the game has all of the of the colors, sprites and scaling, and most of the sound effects, of the NEO GEO original, I was surprised by the framerate dips. I had some friends over who wanted to play Samurai Shodown the night that I hooked up my 3DO, but since I didn't have an extra controller I had them play the Sega CD version. I immediately noticed two things. The 3DO's video quality is far superior to the 32X output, and the Sega CD version of the game has much a much smoother animation rate with the characters. The characters literally jump from one position to the next on the screen when they jump in the 3DO version, whereas the Sega CD has them smoothly scrolling across the screen at all times. To be fair, the Sega CD version has none of the original's scaling effect and is technically (though not always visibly) displaying about 1/3rd of the colors.

The Need For Speed has not arrived yet, even though it shipped within the Continental United States at the same time as the Japanese imports of Samurai Shodown and Starblade did. Expect comparison videos and gameplay videos of all of these games as time allows me to create them.

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I would like to make a recommendation as far as 3DO titles go...Road Rash. Wow, this one is really good and other than the FMV parts is a totally different build than the Sega CD one.

I really like Super Street Fighter II Turbo also, but the terrible d-pad and 3 button setup on the 3DO pads kind of kills fighting games for me. I did the loosen the screws trick but diagonials were still pretty impossible to pull off.
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I would like to make a recommendation as far as 3DO titles go...Road Rash. Wow, this one is really good and other than the FMV parts is a totally different build than the Sega CD one.

I really like Super Street Fighter II Turbo also, but the terrible d-pad and 3 button setup on the 3DO pads kind of kills fighting games for me. I did the loosen the screws trick but diagonials were still pretty impossible to pull off.

I do intend to pick up both of these at some point, and a 6 button control pad if I can find one cheap. How is Road Rash in comparison to the Saturn and PS1 versions? I've already got a comparison of the later two versions on my site, and pretty much the only difference is the presence of CD Audio, full screen dithering and building shadows in the PS1 version.
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I do intend to pick up both of these at some point, and a 6 button control pad if I can find one cheap. How is Road Rash in comparison to the Saturn and PS1 versions? I've already got a comparison of the later two versions on my site, and pretty much the only difference is the presence of CD Audio, full screen dithering and building shadows in the PS1 version.


You know, I never had a copy of RR on the Saturn only on the Sega CD. As far as the game on the 3DO, its pretty damn slick and you can tell they put some money into its production. Gameplay wise, I was amazed at the lack of pop up in a scrolling type game like that for its age (pretty much everything already in the screen at the horizon instead of half way up the road suddenly) and it just seemed to play smooth. The overall quality of RR just seemed like a huge leap in quality to alot of the stuff I played on 3DO.

Oh, I read your comments on the audio as far as the SS version not having in-game soundtrack (not midi muzak), AFAIK thats the case in the 3DO version too! That was one thing I did hate about it. They had all this cool music at the intro screens and even music videos and then in-game nothing.

I did have Need for Speed for the Saturn and the 3DO and never saw a huge difference in them really. As much as I like a few of the arcadish NfS's, the first one is pretty much the original attempt at a sim IMO. EA really didn't stick with that approach long did they!
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Aug 8 2007, 03:26 PM
opps my bad.

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I've heard similar reports of Sam Sho on the 3DO, though I remember back in the day it was damn impressive to see it running...of course, I don't know why, because the 3DO costs just as much as the Neo Geo at that point. ;)

About the only game people really praise for the 3DO is SSF2T, but like bluecrab says, the controller is so fucked that it really ruins it. I remember right after it came out there were some controller adpaters that let you use either a SNES or Genesis pad with the 3DO...don't know how that panned out.

So Scott, you going to go for Way of the Warrior? ;)

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You know, I never had a copy of RR on the Saturn only on the Sega CD.  As far as the game on the 3DO, its pretty damn slick and you can tell they put some money into its production.  Gameplay wise, I was amazed at the lack of pop up in a scrolling type game like that for its age (pretty much everything already in the screen at the horizon instead of half way up the road suddenly) and it just seemed to play smooth.  The overall quality of RR just seemed like a huge leap in quality to alot of the stuff I played on 3DO. 

Oh, I read your comments on the audio as far as the SS version not having in-game soundtrack (not midi muzak), AFAIK thats the case in the 3DO version too!  That was one thing I did hate about it.  They had all this cool music at the intro screens and even music videos and then in-game nothing.

I did have Need for Speed for the Saturn and the 3DO and never saw a huge difference in them really.  As much as I like a few of the arcadish NfS's, the first one is pretty much the original attempt at a sim IMO.  EA really didn't stick with that approach long did they!


I really need to get a hold of Road Rash on 3DO then. I have a feeling that it is identical to the Saturn version, but it'd be nice to find that it's a little bit better. If Need for Speed, which I do have, is identical to the Saturn version, that is going to be a very big deal. NFS on the Saturn easily looks and plays better than anything on the Saturn or PS1. If the 3DO version is the same, we've got a great argument for the 3DO being much more powerful than its specs imply (25k polys per second max).
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I've heard similar reports of Sam Sho on the 3DO, though I remember back in the day it was damn impressive to see it running...of course, I don't know why, because the 3DO costs just as much as the Neo Geo at that point. ;)

About the only game people really praise for the 3DO is SSF2T, but like bluecrab says, the controller is so fucked that it really ruins it. I remember right after it came out there were some controller adpaters that let you use either a SNES or Genesis pad with the 3DO...don't know how that panned out.

So Scott, you going to go for Way of the Warrior? ;)

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Uh, no, not for more than 99 cents anyway. ;)

I pretty much refuse to pay $25+ for a 3DO game right now, so unless I find these things on discount, I won't be getting them any time soon. It's crunch time and I have to ensure a couple of months savings buffer for when the spawn of my loins is born.
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I really need to get a hold of Road Rash on 3DO then. I have a feeling that it is identical to the Saturn version, but it'd be nice to find that it's a little bit better. If Need for Speed, which I do have, is identical to the Saturn version, that is going to be a very big deal. NFS on the Saturn easily looks and plays better than anything on the Saturn or PS1. If the 3DO version is the same, we've got a great argument for the 3DO being much more powerful than its specs imply (25k polys per second max).

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming...p?showtopic=930

Don't forget Mac_Traic's site dedicated to RR, it may have some info for you...or you could always PM him as he'd be the guy to ask about anything RR related.

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So Scott, you going to go for Way of the Warrior? ;)

Uh, no, not for more than 99 cents anyway. ;)

I pretty much refuse to pay $25+ for a 3DO game right now, so unless I find these things on discount, I won't be getting them any time soon. It's crunch time and I have to ensure a couple of months savings buffer for when the spawn of my loins is born.

I don't blame you, most of the library seems to be utterly worthless, so paying much of anything would be a real no-no in my book.

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One has to remember that EA was one of the partners in the 3DO company and was the brainchild of Trip Hawkins who also founded EA I believe. If you like the "old" EA (before they were all Madden all the time and didn't gooble up developers like candy), then you can definitely find some gems on the 3DO. EA of course developed and published both Road Rash and Need for Speed.

Oh...and one more thing, 3DO is pretty much the only console with PORN!!!
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Porn, really? Was it specifically made for the 3DO, or is it just porn that was on a VideoCD, that the 3DO was able to play?

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Nah, real porn...I think most of it was just kind of a VCD quality movies on the 3DO but they had a game or two, the most infamous of which was "Plumbers don't wear ties", which was a FMV type of thing. I think they were are published by the smut peddlers over at Vivid, who of course publish regular porn. Pretty sure they are the first porn company to do HD discs too, at least thats what I saw announced awhile back.
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Heh, yeah, poorly made point and click porn adventures, for the low low price of $240 a game! Yeehaw!

I'm digging the effort that Crystal Dynamix put forth on the 3DO more than EA, but NFS and Road Rash are definitely musts. I also want to pick up Wing Commander 3. Star Control 2 I might actually pay $45+ for as well.
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Heh, yeah, poorly made point and click porn adventures, for the low low price of $240 a game! Yeehaw!

I'm digging the effort that Crystal Dynamix put forth on the 3DO more than EA, but NFS and Road Rash are definitely musts. I also want to pick up Wing Commander 3. Star Control 2 I might actually pay $45+ for as well.

http://www.gamecrap.com/3do/pdwt/plumbers.php

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Heh, yeah, poorly made point and click porn adventures, for the low low price of $240 a game!  Yeehaw! 

I'm digging the effort that Crystal Dynamix put forth on the 3DO more than EA, but NFS and Road Rash are definitely musts.  I also want to pick up Wing Commander 3.  Star Control 2 I might actually pay $45+ for as well.

http://www.gamecrap.com/3do/pdwt/plumbers.php

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Good lord, *$240* for porn!? I remember hearing about the game, but I didn't hear anything about it being a porn title, that's crazy! I think the closest I've ever come to anything like that was The Space Adventure on Sega CD. Thanks for the info, and link ya'll!

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Nah, real porn...I think most of it was just kind of a VCD quality movies on the 3DO but they had a game or two, the most infamous of which was "Plumbers don't wear ties", which was a FMV type of thing. I think they were are published by the smut peddlers over at Vivid, who of course publish regular porn. Pretty sure they are the first porn company to do HD discs too, at least thats what I saw announced awhile back.

Hehehhe, you just can't stop'em! ;)

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I'm digging the effort that Crystal Dynamix put forth on the 3DO more than EA, but NFS and Road Rash are definitely musts. I also want to pick up Wing Commander 3. Star Control 2 I might actually pay $45+ for as well.

Crystal Dynamics did a lot of stuff for the 3DO, and most got ported off later(as you know), but man I'm with you on Star Control 2! :)

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